[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Easo]

Watched it, liked it and I think it is also better than the previous one.
So the big question I have, which did not get answered - who the hell was Snoke? Absolutely random sith lord? Who? What?

[Deleted]

I mean it was just stupid. Not even that.

All of the stupid comedy. That's not what Star Wars is.
- Luke milking whatever that creature was then drinking it. It looks like puss.
- Rose is a stupid character. Just plain stupid.
- The whole casino plotline was lame.
- The whole 'we'll delay our deaths because their ships aren't as fast as ours'. That's like TV B-movie level stuff.
- The Leia in space thing. Lame.
- I liked the Kylo & Rey interaction.
- I'm not sure how I feel about Snoke's death. Seems kind of lame because the character was built up so much and we still don't know jack about him.
- I'm okay with Luke dying, but the force projection thing across the universe is kind of lame since we've never seen it before.

Not going to put this in spoilers because it really spoils nothing.

I thought Luke milking that gross animal thing was not that bad, i thought it showed how much of a hermit he had become and how at home he felt in that place. Also it made him seem a little bad, maybe similar to how Yoda was.

[ryan11d7]

Watched it, liked it and I think it is also better than the previous one.
So the big question I have, which did not get answered - who the hell was Snoke? Absolutely random sith lord? Who? What?

That is my 1 big question/flaw of the movie. And it is a huge one for me. Kind of takes away from the rest of the movie for me.

[spleen1015]

Now we know why Mark Hamil didn't like the movie. Its not Star Wars.

[Arrowstormen]

That is my 1 big question/flaw of the movie. And it is a huge one for me. Kind of takes away from the rest of the movie for me.

How is this different from the Emperor in the original trilogy? I just can't figure it out. Heck, did we even know the Emperor was a Sith before Return of the Jedi?

[Mormolyce]

Poe has an obsession with heroes and heroism; people who strike out on their own, damn what the leaders say, and fixing everything themselves so they can feel the rush of being the good guy. Realizing that this obsession nearly destroyed all that he cared about, and recognizing the selfless duty of Leia and Holdo, is literally his entire character arc. The one person who did the most damage to the First Order is the same person he mutinied against and called a traitor not 20 minutes earlier in the film. Rose has a similar arc with respect to how she and her sister thought of Finn, and her coming to terms with the fact that he's just a mere mortal. Narratively, Finn's arc was the weakest of the film, mostly drowned out by a less than stellar execution vis-a-vis his and Rose's interactions with DJ. You can only really see the outlines of his story if you squint hard enough.

I think this is largely due to the fact that Johnson wanted to introduce a critique of imperialist capitalism and how the real hives of scum and villainy aren't populated with petty criminals, but with grotesquely rich fucks who profit off of other peoples misery on a much larger scale than mere pirates or smugglers do. And that's an interesting commentary, but it wound up drowning out what they should have done with Finn. They should have focused more on DJ as a man purely out for his own survival and benefit, like Finn was for most of TFA, and Finn coming to terms with the fact that thats the type of person he didn't want to be anymore.

Those are the kind of filler arcs you write when you need to fill time and the characters can't impact the storyline in any meaningful way.

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Watched it, liked it and I think it is also better than the previous one.
So the big question I have, which did not get answered - who the hell was Snoke? Absolutely random sith lord? Who? What?

Basically, an unimportant mislead.

[Arrowstormen]

I mean it was just stupid. Not even that.

All of the stupid comedy. That's not what Star Wars is.
- Luke milking whatever that creature was then drinking it. It looks like puss.
- Rose is a stupid character. Just plain stupid.
- The whole casino plotline was lame.
- The whole 'we'll delay our deaths because their ships aren't as fast as ours'. That's like TV B-movie level stuff.
- The Leia in space thing. Lame.
- I liked the Kylo & Rey interaction.
- I'm not sure how I feel about Snoke's death. Seems kind of lame because the character was built up so much and we still don't know jack about him.
- I'm okay with Luke dying, but the force projection thing across the universe is kind of lame since we've never seen it before.

Not sure exactly what you mean with the delay our deaths thing.

I don't agree with most of these points (I do agree to a degree about the Canto Bight stuff), but even if I did, I don't know if I would categorize that as "stupid". But as I've already said, I do think it's the most intelligent Star Wars to date, because of how it explores its themes so deeply, thoroughly and interestingly, and the character arcs, and the greater (meta-)context of it all.

[Deleted]

Sure but the Emperor didnt die in The Empire Strikes Back.

Also it doesn't really matter how it was done before, they could have done something different this time. Gave him a little character development on screen or something, instead i fear all of his development will be in comics and books.

[Slybak]

I thought you said they were completely different?

Tonally and thematically they are, which is what I said. In terms of basic narrative structure both films are transitional pieces in a three-act play, functioning between establishing the universe in the first film and honing in on the final drama in the third film. In that respect, TLJ is equivalent to both ESB and a movie like The Matrix Reloaded.

I'm sure you could see why this is a strong indication that the theory is true.

You ever been to an SAE pledge week? Wretched hive of scum and villainy aint even the half of it.

Vader stopped blasters with his hand.

In the sequel. The only power Vader demonstrated in Ep. 4 was when he choked out Admiral Motti. Kylo Ren literally stopped an energy bolt in mid air and held it there while he was interrogating Poe.

[Mormolyce]

Incorrect, You would freeze to death in seconds.

That's not actually true, in real life astronauts actually have air conditioners in their suits because it gets hot in there.

Space is close to absolute zero, but there's almost no matter to conduct heat. If you were out in deep space you'd eventually freeze but it would take a really long time because your body would only be able to lose heat by radiation and that's much much slower than conduction. Though of course, you'd be long dead of asphyxiation and probably tissue damage too.

Incidentally, they show ice crystals forming on skin in that scene like I've seen in a number of films, but that's totally wrong as well. Water on the surface of your skin would actually boil off, not freeze. Reason being there's no pressure in space.

[ohiostate124]

Do you think the Rey’s parents reveal is a misdirect or the truth? Did JJ have a different plan and Rian took it another direction? I’m just having a hard time accepting that she is THAT strong with the force and not related to anyone. Obviously, you don’t need to be a Skywalker to be force sensitive but Luke says her raw strength rivals Kylo which is the only other time he’s seen it. In TFA, she won that mental battle against Kylo and then beat him in a lightsaber duel despite zero training. In TLJ, she sorta beat Luke with her staff when they had that spat and then she beat several members of Snoke’s elite guard. Something has to be up.

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Do you think the Rey’s parents reveal is a misdirect or the truth? Did JJ have a different plan and Rian took it another direction? I’m just having a hard time accepting that she is THAT strong with the force and not related to anyone. Obviously, you don’t need to be a Skywalker to be force sensitive but Luke says her raw strength rivals Kylo which is the only other time he’s seen it. In TFA, she won that mental battle against Kylo and then beat him in a lightsaber duel despite zero training. In TLJ, she sorta beat Luke with her staff when they had that spat and then she beat several members of Snoke’s elite guard. Something has to be up.

Palpatine froze his sperm, went to Jakku before he died and left it there with instructions of what needed to be done.

[frogger237]

How is this different from the Emperor in the original trilogy? I just can't figure it out. Heck, did we even know the Emperor was a Sith before Return of the Jedi?

My thoughts on it:

In the originals we know that the Empire is the major force in the galaxy and that the Emperor is the ruler of it, there isn't any need for a backstory because there are no questions presented to us in the movie that cause us to think why is the galaxy this way.

The problem with it in the new films is that most people already know about the Empire and how the Rebels defeated them, and even those who never seen a Starwars film learn in the film that this is a new organization that has just popped up recently so you are left with questions like how did it form, and who is this Snoke guy?

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I really hope Kylo and Rey turn out to be brother and sister in the next film otherwise it makes the first even shittier with Leia hugging her and stuff and ignoring Chewie.

[spleen1015]

Lucas always said Star Wars was the story of the Skywalkers. Now we only have Leia left, but the actor died so she's done now too. Lame unless you count Kylo as a Skywalker.

[Katchii]

Actually, it IS a passing of the torch in a story sense, just not in a meta-sense (in that one case). Removing The Yoda of this trilogy (Luke) and the Emperor (Snoke) was a very smart move, it completely leaves the door open for anything in the third movie, instead of slavishly retreading the same steps forever.

I will agree with this. The next movie is pretty much open for whatever given how this one went which I do find fantastic. I never meant to say this was a “bad” movie but it just didn’t feel right to me. I’ll definitely view it again now that I’ve seen it once and can pay more attention the nuance so may have missed.

[Majestic12]

This just in: The Force is now Skype in space where you can talk and touch on demand.
You also don't need to train to be able to use the force. You can do everything at will.

How can anybody like this mess?

[Arrowstormen]

My thoughts on it:

I really hope Kylo and Rey turn out to be brother and sister in the next film otherwise it makes the first even shittier with Leia hugging her and stuff and ignoring Chewie.

I really, really hope they don't.

Lucas always said Star Wars was the story of the Skywalkers. Now we only have Leia left, but the actor died so she's done now too. Lame unless you count Kylo as a Skywalker.

Star Wars should be bigger than one family name.

[ohiostate124]

Did Kylo know who Rey was? Remember in TFA, when the random first order guy told Kylo that a girl helped Finn and BB-8 escape. He used the force to draw him in and choke him before asking “What girl?.” I always took that to mean he knew her or atleast knew of her.

[Arrowstormen]

Did Kylo know who Rey was? Remember in TFA, when the random first order guy told Kylo that a girl helped Finn and BB-8 escape. He used the force to draw him in and choke him before asking “What girl?.” I always took that to mean he knew her or atleast knew of her.

I don't think so, but Snoke and Kylo said they had felt an awakening, so he might have suspected there could be a connection.

[everydaygamer]

Something I have to say, The light speed kamikaze is easily one of the coolest moments in a Star Wars film ever if not the coolest. Made seeing it in theaters completely worth it because everyone in my theater went completely silent when it happened, it was simply that amazing.