Net neutrality gone

[Cheerbleeder]

I am going to just ignore you now since it's obvious you are either trolling or just a moron.

Thanks for playing! And you should be infracted for calling me names now. Logical fallacy much?

[GennGreymane]

ARE YOU READY FOR THE SHOCKER . . . . GOOGLE IS A ISP. Ever heard of Google Fiber. Shit they even own Youtube. Again, do you have a problem with them censoring content on their own pipelines? They have been banning and blocking conservative stuff for years. Does that bother you?

So you do not understand the issue and continue to spam ignorance? Since you think both situation are comparable, you are spamming ignorance of both situations. Perhaps you should go to the school you claim to have taken me to.

[Draco-Onis]

So you do not understand the issue and continue to spam ignorance?

It's just a low energy troll SAAAD!!

[Cheerbleeder]

Hey guys, look! Anecdotal evidence wins again! /s
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Just because you live in a region of the USA that dosen't offer more than 2 options does not mean it dosen't exist. Also there is more than 1 so there is FREE MARKETS shinning like a diamond, undoing monoplies 1 company at a time.

[GennGreymane]

It's just a low energy troll SAAAD!!

I mean what do you expect?

[endersblade]

Just because you live in a region of the USA that dosen't offer more than 2 options does not mean it dosen't exist. Also there is more than 1 so there is FREE MARKETS shinning like a diamond, undoing monoplies 1 company at a time.

Did I ever say it doesn't exist? Your reading comprehension is terrible. Or maybe Draco is right, you're just here to troll.

[Silver Forte]

Get government out of that shit. No lobbies. However that cats out of the bag with big government, and it isn't going to let go of power if it can help it. Monsters way to hungry.

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Tough shit. Go outside and do something with your life if you can't afford to pay for it. No one owes you shit to play video games.

I never said any of that. I'm telling you that giving the companies that only care about money total control over a vastly important resource is a bad thing and any changes they make, big or small, will have echoing consequences. If you can't understand that then there is no helping you.

Just because you live in a region of the USA that dosen't offer more than 2 options does not mean it dosen't exist. Also there is more than 1 so there is FREE MARKETS shinning like a diamond, undoing monoplies 1 company at a time.

You don't understand how the infrastructure of the internet works. There are monopolies in regions like GA where DSL companies have total control not just over the market but over terrain. They own certain nodes and the lines that lead to them and refuse to cooperate with anyone else over that, as well as leaving the lines to rot for decades. There are a huge number of internet lines that are composed of rotting, old copper that have needed to be replaced for years but the companies that own them refuse to do so. Just because there's only a couple of options in some areas does not mean that's all that is required to compete. There is so much more to owning and running a business than what you apparently think. Not only is there a problem with the physical nature of how this shit works but some companies that are supposed to compete with each other (Comcast, TWC) will meet behind closed doors to secure a deal with each other for varying plans in their respective domains that appear to be competing with each other but it's a ploy to give people a false impression, while maintaining shared control over pricing ranges.

[Ragedaug]

inb4 the universe doesn't implode.

I saw it imploding a little bit this morning...I don't think we have much longer. My package is already feeling very sluggish...thanks Trump!

[Cheerbleeder]

Did I ever say it doesn't exist? Your reading comprehension is terrible. Or maybe Draco is right, you're just here to troll.

So you the CONSUMER, has the right to tell a private company what they can or can't do with their own company? NN is a regulation. Its plain and simple.

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You don't understand how the infrastructure of the internet works. There are monopolies in regions like GA where DSL companies have total control not just over the market but over terrain. They own certain nodes and the lines that lead to them and refuse to cooperate with anyone else over that, as well as leaving the lines to rot for decades. There are a huge number of internet lines that are composed of rotting, old copper that have needed to be replaced for years but the companies that own them refuse to do so. Just because there's only a couple of options in some areas does not mean that's all that is required to compete. There is so much more to owning and running a business than what you apparently think. Not only is there a problem with the physical nature of how this shit works but some companies that are supposed to compete with each other (Comcast, TWC) will meet behind closed doors to secure a deal with each other for varying plans in their respective domains that appear to be competing with each other but it's a ploy to give people a false impression, while maintaining shared control over pricing ranges.

You do not understand how monopolies work. Is there more than 1 or even 5 ISP in the United States? If your answear is YES, than mabye you should log off for the night because you're very wrong.

Also, the internet was fine from 1994-2015 before NN.

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[AzazeltheRuthless]

Your statements contradict each other, the regulations at the state and federal level is what protects those ISPs therefore there is no free market. I know the correct term is oligopolies if you are more comfortable with that my point is there is ZERO COMPETITION.

No it's a city based thing. Hence why I have 5 ISP's available in my area, but there areas that dont' have any because of the control an manipulation. You have DSL, Cable, Satellite carriers, and we have 4-5 Fibre vendors competing against each other.

[Draco-Onis]

No it's a city based thing. Hence why I have 5 ISP's available in my area, but there areas that dont' have any because of the control an manipulation. You have DSL, Cable, Satellite carriers, and we have 4-5 Fibre vendors competing against each other.

Consider yourself fortunate, aside from a few places in the country that is not the case, in my city there are 2 major carriers some places you have 3 options and the prices are so similar it's not really competing.

[Cthulhu 2020]

@Silvercrown

Have you spent any time at all asking yourself why Google, YouTube, Netflix, and several other MASSIVE content sites support NN?

Spoiler Alert: They don't wanna have to spend more money for using more bandwidth. Because of this, the people (and they are a massive %) that only do basic things like email and/or facebook to check on family are paying needlessly large sums of money for internet. They are, in essence, subsidizing the big boy sites. So yes... I think Net Neutrality should go away, and when companies want to use more resource they should pay more for it. And when people want more of a service they should pay more for it.

NN is, at it's very fucking core, redistribution of bandwidth cost. It is internet socialism. And it is wrong.

The core structure of the internet is funded by infrastructure programs from the government... i.e. your tax dollars. Cable companies, without net neutrality, now basically have exclusive access to decide how they want to use infrastructure that was built with your money - for profit. You paid taxes to the federal government and your local government to lay cable all over the country, and are now fine with giving that to giant companies that make billions every year.

Ending NN is at it's very fucking core, crony capitalism. It is internet corruption. And it is wrong.

You might have had a point about the whole socialism thing if the government had seized control of infrastructure these companies built. I really don't get why the right has such a hard on for giving their taxpayer dollars to giant corporations and letting those corporations run the country to its core.

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So you the CONSUMER, has the right to tell a private company what they can or can't do with their own company? NN is a regulation. Its plain and simple.

See post above. Very little of the infrastructure for the internet within America was paid for by cable companies.

But by all means, please tell us what regulations that were in net neutrality were so bad. Nobody has yet to even come close to even attempting to do so. Every single speech and video made by Ajit Pai starts with the same "Net Neutrality is heavy handed regulation" that instantly gives every right winger a boner to listen to that person's every word, no matter how little sense it makes.

Seriously, I just think back to all of the disinformation campaigns this country has gone through, and basically all of them has started with "heavy handed regulations are bad" "Big government is bad" and no matter how little sense what comes next makes, every right winger will guzzle that kool aid down like it's unicorn jizz. You just mention how evil government or regulations are, and any righty will instantly open their ears and close their mind to whatever comes next.

[Grapemask]

So you the CONSUMER, has the right to tell a private company what they can or can't do with their own company? NN is a regulation. Its plain and simple.

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You do not understand how monopolies work. Is there more than 1 or even 5 ISP in the United States? If your answear is YES, than mabye you should log off for the night because you're very wrong.

Also, the internet was fine from 1994-2015 before NN.

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The internet was regulated by net neutrality long before 2015. 2015 fixed a loophole that allowed them to escape regulation following a court case.

Also, regional monopolies.

You need to just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

[Ettan]

Isnt the idea that they want to be able to price discriminate ?
Seggregate the market and take varying prices for (more or less) the same product.
Big spenders -> Get a much higher price
Medium —||— -> pay a regular price
Low —||— -> pay a low price

Then a company can reach a higher optimum than if it was opperating in a free market under supply/ demand.
Every segment of the population gets Its own supply/demand curve allowing them to capture a far larger part of the market.
(While without price discrimination some of the medium income segment, and most of the low income segment would fall outside; they are now included to a much larger degree).

[Spiral Mage]

It's called democracy.

Precisely but that isn't how it's working right now, which is the whole problem.

[breadisfunny]

i find it amusing how none of the opponents of net neutrality in 34 pages have offered a single decent argument other than "government bad. socialism is evil. deregulation will lead to free market competition! and other assorted debunked arguments and when pressed for answers they just resort to ad hominems, name calling, insults, and gem's like "tough shit ain't my problem." because as we all know all great countries are founded on individualism....oh wait they AREN'T.

[Flame6]

Also, the internet was fine from 1994-2015 before NN.

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It wasn't "fine". Comcast and others had already started to throttle different types of data.

1/3 of the US can't choose more than 1 company for their provider. This isn't like opening up a box store to compete with walmart. Companies have used regulations to prevent other companies from entering into their markets. Giving them a true monopoly of the region. It sounds like you're very wrong.

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I like how the people who are losing their shit over this are perfectly okay with major media sites censoring opinions.

Shit is already bad enough, with or without Net Neutrality, you just don't know it

[Sinyc]

I like how the people who are losing their shit over this are perfectly okay with major media sites censoring opinions.

Shit is already bad enough, with or without Net Neutrality, you just don't know it

But those huge media sites satisfy their herd mentality and feed their echo-chamber led lives. Plus, didn't you see Reddit was spammed with the same message in literally EVERY subreddit. While the repeal is dumb and does hurt the Internet, it's not as bad as the DOOMSAYERS online would have you believe.

Also, I am fine with a private company that has it's own TOS shutting down anything it deems harmful or in extremely poor taste. I AM NOT fine with an ISP throttling my connection to Netflix or Hulu or any other site just because they have their own (often shitty) service they want to push.

I am also NOT fine with them throttling any site/service because that site/service didn't want to pay for the ISP to carry that traffic. As opposed to the ISP updating their infrastructure which they worked so hard to get paid for by the government, aka all of the tax paying citizens of the USA...

[Yunru]

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