[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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It doesn´t really seem that bad if you went twice to the cinema to see the movie.

Had it planned to see with two different groups, 2e time it was more a social event instead of going for the movie.

[Alduin]

I am a somewhat cinema enthusiast, visiting some movies 3-4times in theatre (watching it in my native language, OV and different groups of friends). So today was like the third time watching TLJ for me (premier, OV and native).

First things first: I really enjoyed the movie in the OV version (the translated one never felt "right" to me compared to the English one). The movie had a lot of fun elements within a somewhat tragic story. Compared to Thor:Ragnarok where the Dawn of Gods was made a laughing stock... Mark Hamill's performance was stunning and I would highly advised anyone watching it in theatres for just this. However there are some choices within the movie that made me leave the cinema with a somewhat unpleasant feeling or sometimes outrageous even after the third time.

If you want to enjoy the movie stop reading here:
Beginning with Ticket pricing and theatre choice (our theatre was only allowed to play it in the major cinemas but all day long. Usually we have a bit more private lounge where you people usually behave and do not talk all the time or chew popcorn with open mouths..) and ending with an ending that leaves more questions than answers. TLJ reminded me more of the How I met your mother finale than a Star Wars story and was a major disappointment after Rogue One last year.

The story has 3 major weaknesses that carry through out the whole movie:

- Non of the major questions (who Rey's parents are or why the Jedi must end) where answered reasonably. Rey's parents where handled in an one-liner by Kylo. Luke wants the Jedi to end but tells Kylo in the final battle that Rey will be a Jedi - even without training her (?). Kylo also wants the Jedi to end but instead of finding something common Luke rather gives up and leaves "in peace". I totally understand why Luke failed Ben as teacher ... Rey's training and Luke's wisdom are an embaressment to Luke's training back in ESB.
- character development was plain stupid or non-existing. Captain Phasma (super trooper) had a cameo like appearence just to be beaten by Finn. Finn's tried hard to matter but his action just worsen the general outcome (if the First Order would have kept tracking the Star Cruiser the transporters could go off, instead Finn brings a hired gun into it, sealing the deal and killing even more). Rose seemed like another minority-cast that had to die and her action to save Finn in the final battle was more than questionable (how was her speeder faster than Finn's who travelled a straight line?), Poe is still the impulsive fighter and still charges into fights like Leroy Jenkins, Rey is still a prodigy without training, and I won't start on Luke or Kylo. And seriously: who introduces Snoke as supremacist force user just to have him killed by a light-sabre like that. And whoever did the Leia/Holdo development should be fired. Such great opportunities to pay respect to Carrie Fisher and giving her some final moments but instead .. plain disappointment. Not to mention that the "there is something good in him" is Rey's line and not Leia/Luke - who should know better. So much potential .. wasted.
- General First Order battle tactics. Oh boy... Not protecting your capital ships, not getting in range of some light ships, not using tractor beams or fighters to damage the Rebel fleet. There was so much great potential in turning the Hunt for Leia Organa into a great Battle to keep the beacon of hope alive - but yet it seems that Star Destroyer Captains are the new Storm Troopers - useless and inefficient.

This could have been a great and worthy finale for Carrie Fisher's character. For Snoke to tell Kylo to finish his mother and the Rebels. For Kylo and Rey to experience their connection to the force, feeling alone and frightend, one descending a capable bloodline the other unaffiliated. For Leia and Luke to get over their family tragedy and trying to get Ben back. For Luke to tell Ben how to end the Jedi building an arc to the SW:TOR series - allowing emotions that are exclusive to the Dark Side. For Rey to learn her place in the whole story.

And yet: no answers how the First Order came to power, how they got capital ships like the Mega Star Destroyer from Snoke even after their Starkiller base blew up, where the Rebel Fleet vanquished to, how Snoke found Kylo, how Snoke knew of Palpatine and Vader (and surviving being the Third Sith), on the Skywalker family tragedy .. nothing.

They should have brought some experience from Star Wars:Clone Wars and Star Wars: Rebels into this or atleast allow some character development. I really do not understand how they could waste such great potential within 2.5h after they did some great story telling within the Battlefront 2 campaign, with Ahsoka Tano in CloneWars and Rebels, with Jyn Erso... Not a single character or their motivation are relatable to.

And whoever came up with Snoke's death, Yoda's cameo and Leia's skywalking scene: what the hell went wrong with you.


Let's just hope Disney doesn't to the same to the other universes they bought. Imagine Homer Simpson becoming a carrying father. D'oh.

@Tromage: I would like to complete the list but I have like 100+ points just for the fighting tactics... Shoot an unmanned based instead of the fleeing ships? sure. why not.

[bledgor]

After thinking about this movie and seeing it two times i made my list of issues below.
And my final verdict of the movie is that this is the 2e worst Star Wars movie just above the phantom mannice.
I will explain my issues below now in the spoiler tag:


1) The first order follows the rebels till they run out of fuel... why not send a few ships ahead and corner them?
This was the same as Prometheus where they keep running in the same direction like the falling ship.
2) The comedy is out of place in rly bad situations they just stop and joke around like this is a crappy Marvel sequel.
3) SJW PC culture everywhere in this movie from: "dont eat meat" to "all rich ppl are evil" toward "all woman are strong leaders" and we can keep going with this.
4) Snoke is a joke, they show him as the all powerfull guy that can kill ppl with his force powers from far far away and can link ppl together and know what ppl think in there minds, then the writters where like yeah... we actually dont need him in the story so they get a emo kid kill him like he is nothing. (we still know nothing about snoke where he came from and what his history with Vader and Luke was in any way or form but ok it dont matter anymore he is dead)
5) General leia gets sucked into space where everybody dies, but wait not leia she just force pulls herself back on the spaceship where they just open the door and let her in (no shield) and nobody gets sucked out into space (worst scene in any sci fi movie ever made)
6) Luke Skywalker wants to kill Ben Solo because he saw abit of the darkside in him? Luke that beleaved he could bring Darth Vader back to the light... Rly Luke would do this...
7) Yoda force ghost can control lightning in death, well if he could do that then he might just had killed Vader and Palpatine back in the day.
8) Luke cant even bother to save the day himself on the battlefield and die like a badass, no he makes a projection of himself and hold the firstorder back and just dies far away in the galaxy because of....
9) Why did Luke visite leia before walking outside the base and told her he would end Ben Solo when he only was planning to hold them back.
10) The casino planet with Rose and Fin is not Star Wars that was a chapter from a Harry Potter movie.
11) BB-8 kills masses of stormtroopers like the most badass robot ever made, so yeah rebels dont wait for support just make BB-8 unites and you win this war easy.
12) Luke use a blue lightsaber after Rey took it and broke it after the Snoke scene? His lightsaber is green did these ppl not see episode 6?
13) Yoda acting like the drunk character from episode 5 when he was just acting to see what motivations Luke had to become a Jedi.
Why would he now after he alrdy shown himself as Yoda the jedimaster as a crazy drunk when he was part of the Jedi council as a wise man.
14) Rey falls in the pit on the Island and comes out then she put her fingers on the wall where she is on the other side with like a loop of herself, what was the point of this all..... pointless scene.
15) Rey did 0 training with Luke other then feel the Force and suddenly she can move 1000 rocks at the end of the movie where Luke had problems with 2-3 rocks after days of training with Yoda.
16) Rose blocks Finn from destroying the cannon, Finn moves full power forward Rose moves back then suddenly can intercept him from the side on what way.... did she had a faster speeder..
17) Yoda force ghost was very bad, even back in the 80s movies they had the tech to make you see the background past the ghost forms this was just a puppet with a blue outline it was like Yoda was back alive instead of a ghost.
18) Why show the X-wing from Luke in the water when you do nothing about it.
19) Why waist time on Luke milking a alien cow and getting a fish.
20) Phasma is a James Bond villian, she has both Rose and Finn on the ground with tons of stormtroopers but does she shoot them dead? nope they need to suffer pain and ofc get away because of this act.

Well i stop at this point but you see where i get my issues from.

Hit many of my same points, but I had even more complaints, the movie was bad, easily bottom tier Star Wars, equal with the prequel movies.

[Alduin]

I would rather watch The Phantome Menance than TLJ. Atleast the prequels had some decent fighting choreographies. TLJ is so out of line - I wouldn't have wondered if Han had a ghost like appearence to Kylo, spooking him everywhere.

[Fabinas]

I'm curious about the lightsaber choice as well. At first I thought he was using Obi-Wan's, since he was offering himself up to Kylo just as Obi-Wan did to Vader. But then it got closer, and the hilt is definitely Anakin's. Maybe since he was offering a chance for Kylo to change, the lightsaber symbolized the good side to Vader that he was able to bring out at the end. Since this was a Force projection, maybe Luke didn't even GET to decide what lightsaber showed up, and his own feelings projected that lightsaber, since in his heart he was trying to see the good in someone so evil.

Luke as a projection was thinner, with a shorter beard, wearing the episode VI black clothing. Can't remember if he had a blue or a green saber when he freed Leia from Jabba.

[Khain]

A lot of people just can't accept the fact that Rey is a nobody, and that's one of the things I liked the most about the movie, the fact the force is not exclusive to the Skywalker linage, anyone can be born with the light.

[ohiostate124]

Luke as a projection was thinner, with a shorter beard, wearing the episode VI black clothing. Can't remember if he had a blue or a green saber when he freed Leia from Jabba.

He had his green one then.

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A lot of people just can't accept the fact that Rey is a nobody, and that's one of the things I liked the most about the movie, the fact the force is not exclusive to the Skywalker linage, anyone can be born with the light.

People keep saying this but that’s not the point. The force was never exclusive to the Skywalker bloodline. Everyone knows this. The issue with Rey being no one is that to a lot of people, there were very blatant teases that she was related to someone. Not to mention her ridiculously strong raw power.

[therealbowser]

I feel like people go into these movies with a negative attitude looking for flaws, labeling everything they can as a flaw, and coming out with the conclusion that "it is garbage" because it wasn't Episode 4-6. I am seeing this all over the internet these past few days, and never including any valid arguments, they almost always revolve around "This movie is bad because I don't like it" or personal preferences they didn't care for that somehow made the movie "trash" such as Leia using the force for instance.

This doesn't apply to everyone but I've seen this attitude over and over. Episode 7 was bad because it's nothing new. Episode 8 is bad because they had lots of twists and screwed with your expectations. The characters are 'bad' because they aren't Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. The list goes on and on. My theory is that they are upset simply because it contradicts the 'expanded universe', so no matter what it was, people would have been unhappy with it.

Personally I thought the film was incredible. Nothing ever happened like I thought it would, and Episode 7 built me into expecting a predictable story. Can't say much more without spoilers, but for me this film is competing with some of the best films for their modern day storywriting quality simply because of how well it has weaved such an incredibly broad story and doing so without it feeling convoluted -- though if you are not careful, you may miss context now and then.

Needless to say, I loved episode 8.

[Deleted]

A lot of people just can't accept the fact that Rey is a nobody, and that's one of the things I liked the most about the movie, the fact the force is not exclusive to the Skywalker linage, anyone can be born with the light.

It's the only good thing about the movie, if they told her she was Mara and Luke's daughter I would walk out of that theatre.

[Deleted]

I feel like people go into these movies with a negative attitude looking for flaws, labeling everything they can as a flaw, and coming out with the conclusion that "it is garbage" because it wasn't Episode 4-6.

I was the opposite. I really liked Rogue One and I was hyped by the good review scores I'd seen for this one as sat down ready for something epic. Well this wasn't it. I'm not including my nit picking complaints because I'm pretty sure noone gives a shit.

[Nefarious Tea]

People keep saying this but that’s not the point. The force was never exclusive to the Skywalker bloodline. Everyone knows this. The issue with Rey being no one is that to a lot of people, there were very blatant teases that she was related to someone. Not to mention her ridiculously strong raw power.

I think that kind of is the point though? Ben gets his strength in the Force through his bloodline, but has turned evil. The living Force has thus chosen Rey to be his counterpart, to balance the darkness.

[frogger237]

I know we're in post-2016 territory now, but take it easy with that whataboutism will you. We don't want to risk overloading the universe with too much of it, or it might implode.

If you think thats whataboutism then tell me tell me what was wrong with ewoks?

[therealbowser]

I was the opposite. I really liked Rogue One and I was hyped by the good review scores I'd seen for this one as sat down ready for something epic. Well this wasn't it. I'm not including my nit picking complaints because I'm pretty sure noone gives a shit.

It's fair to dislike the movie of course, there has just been a lot of shitposting in general about it on other websites. They all revolve around talking about how bad the movie is without elaborating on why. One way or another, Episode 8 has certainly sparked some passionate emotions about it. People tend to love it or hate it.

[Aurrora]

After thinking about this movie and seeing it two times i made my list of issues below.
And my final verdict of the movie is that this is the 2e worst Star Wars movie just above the phantom mannice.
I will explain my issues below now in the spoiler tag:


1) The first order follows the rebels till they run out of fuel... why not send a few ships ahead and corner them?
This was the same as Prometheus where they keep running in the same direction like the falling ship.
2) The comedy is out of place in rly bad situations they just stop and joke around like this is a crappy Marvel sequel.
3) SJW PC culture everywhere in this movie from: "dont eat meat" to "all rich ppl are evil" toward "all woman are strong leaders" and we can keep going with this.
4) Snoke is a joke, they show him as the all powerfull guy that can kill ppl with his force powers from far far away and can link ppl together and know what ppl think in there minds, then the writters where like yeah... we actually dont need him in the story so they get a emo kid kill him like he is nothing. (we still know nothing about snoke where he came from and what his history with Vader and Luke was in any way or form but ok it dont matter anymore he is dead)
5) General leia gets sucked into space where everybody dies, but wait not leia she just force pulls herself back on the spaceship where they just open the door and let her in (no shield) and nobody gets sucked out into space (worst scene in any sci fi movie ever made)
6) Luke Skywalker wants to kill Ben Solo because he saw abit of the darkside in him? Luke that beleaved he could bring Darth Vader back to the light... Rly Luke would do this...
7) Yoda force ghost can control lightning in death, well if he could do that then he might just had killed Vader and Palpatine back in the day.
8) Luke cant even bother to save the day himself on the battlefield and die like a badass, no he makes a projection of himself and hold the firstorder back and just dies far away in the galaxy because of....
9) Why did Luke visite leia before walking outside the base and told her he would end Ben Solo when he only was planning to hold them back.
10) The casino planet with Rose and Fin is not Star Wars that was a chapter from a Harry Potter movie.
11) BB-8 kills masses of stormtroopers like the most badass robot ever made, so yeah rebels dont wait for support just make BB-8 unites and you win this war easy.
12) Luke use a blue lightsaber after Rey took it and broke it after the Snoke scene? His lightsaber is green did these ppl not see episode 6?
13) Yoda acting like the drunk character from episode 5 when he was just acting to see what motivations Luke had to become a Jedi.
Why would he now after he alrdy shown himself as Yoda the jedimaster as a crazy drunk when he was part of the Jedi council as a wise man.
14) Rey falls in the pit on the Island and comes out then she put her fingers on the wall where she is on the other side with like a loop of herself, what was the point of this all..... pointless scene.
15) Rey did 0 training with Luke other then feel the Force and suddenly she can move 1000 rocks at the end of the movie where Luke had problems with 2-3 rocks after days of training with Yoda.
16) Rose blocks Finn from destroying the cannon, Finn moves full power forward Rose moves back then suddenly can intercept him from the side on what way.... did she had a faster speeder..
17) Yoda force ghost was very bad, even back in the 80s movies they had the tech to make you see the background past the ghost forms this was just a puppet with a blue outline it was like Yoda was back alive instead of a ghost.
18) Why show the X-wing from Luke in the water when you do nothing about it.
19) Why waist time on Luke milking a alien cow and getting a fish.
20) Phasma is a James Bond villian, she has both Rose and Finn on the ground with tons of stormtroopers but does she shoot them dead? nope they need to suffer pain and ofc get away because of this act.

Well i stop at this point but you see where i get my issues from.

1) Yeah, that was really bad, honestly the worst chase/space battle sequence ever in a movie. It felt like something out of Whale Wars.
3) It was a funny bit, not a PC message of "don't eat meat." In the next scene you see Luke go out and spear a giant fish.
4) Snoke absolutely needs a backstory, we need to know how a dark side force user as powerful or more powerful than Palpatine showed up as soon was he was killed, and why Luke does nothing about it when he begins manipulating Ben while he's still in Leia's womb.
6) Yes, this was dumb. I'll blame it on Snoke projecting dark thoughts into Luke's mind, and making Ben wake up at just the right moment.
12) Luke doesn't know it's broken, maybe the green one was destroyed when Kylo lashed out at him at the temple so he feels closer to the blue one currently.
14) It's like the cave in ESB, it's showing her worst fear to her, being alone.
15) Luke had problems moving the rocks because he didn't believe it could be done, presumably Rey doesn't have that hang-up because the Empire is no longer around to suppress stories of the Jedi.
16) The beam is imparting some sort of force even during its charge up sequence, you see it push all the salt away when it begins. Presumably this force is growing stronger the closer it gets to firing/the closer Finn gets to the weapon, so I don't have a problem with Rose being able to catch up to him.

[ohiostate124]

I think that kind of is the point though? Ben gets his strength in the Force through his bloodline, but has turned evil. The living Force has thus chosen Rey to be his counterpart, to balance the darkness.

But who was the evil person to balance things out when Kylo was still good? That explanation is almost as bad as midichlorians.

[Deleted]

It's fair to dislike the movie of course, there has just been a lot of shitposting in general about it on other websites. They all revolve around talking about how bad the movie is without elaborating on why. One way or another, Episode 8 has certainly sparked some passionate emotions about it. People tend to love it or hate it.

If a director of a sci fi movie cant even bother to get some idea/information what an environment like space is doing to a human or opening a door between a spaceship and open space what then would happen then you ask for it in my opinion.

Yes its fantasy, but you should respect atleast some laws like gravity ect.

[Grapemask]

I left very disappointed with this movie.

I'm not going to nitpick every detail, because while there were little details that bugged the hell out of me, it was more the general things that irked me. The constant inclusion of child-like elements, the fact that every single noteworthy character was human, the bizarre little sidestories that meant nothing and distracted from the overall flow of the story... and the story itself feeling like a massive filler between two better movies, except so many pivotal events happened in this movie that it was still trying not to be a filler.

I'm not even a mega Star Wars geek, but all the same, this felt like a Hollywood-themed fan fiction of Star Wars rather than a Star Wars movie.

[Deleted]

1) Yeah, that was really bad, honestly the worst chase/space battle sequence ever in a movie. It felt like something out of Whale Wars.
3) It was a funny bit, not a PC message of "don't eat meat." In the next scene you see Luke go out and spear a giant fish.
4) Snoke absolutely needs a backstory, we need to know how a dark side force user as powerful or more powerful than Palpatine showed up as soon was he was killed, and why Luke does nothing about it when he begins manipulating Ben while he's still in Leia's womb.
6) Yes, this was dumb. I'll blame it on Snoke projecting dark thoughts into Luke's mind, and making Ben wake up at just the right moment.
12) Luke doesn't know it's broken, maybe the green one was destroyed when Kylo lashed out at him at the temple so he feels closer to the blue one currently.
14) It's like the cave in ESB, it's showing her worst fear to her, being alone.
15) Luke had problems moving the rocks because he didn't believe it could be done, presumably Rey doesn't have that hang-up because the Empire is no longer around to suppress stories of the Jedi.
16) The beam is imparting some sort of force even during its charge up sequence, you see it push all the salt away when it begins. Presumably this force is growing stronger the closer it gets to firing/the closer Finn gets to the weapon, so I don't have a problem with Rose being able to catch up to him.

About that beam, if it was getting hot enough to melt that door, you could see the door turning red under the beam, how did it not melt finns face off???

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I left very disappointed with this movie.

I'm not going to nitpick every detail, because while there were little details that bugged the hell out of me, it was more the general things that irked me. The constant inclusion of child-like elements, the fact that every single noteworthy character was human, the bizarre little sidestories that meant nothing and distracted from the overall flow of the story... and the story itself feeling like a massive filler between two better movies, except so many pivotal events happened in this movie that it was still trying not to be a filler.

I'm not even a mega Star Wars geek, but all the same, this felt like a Hollywood-themed fan fiction of Star Wars rather than a Star Wars movie.

Id love to see some Alien races take more of a lead role in the star wars films rather than just being side or minor characters. I understand that the Empire was very pro human, but it seems like the resistance should have more Alien races in rather than being 80% human. Would live a prominent Twi'lek or Kel Dor in a future film.

[Selastan]

About that beam, if it was getting hot enough to melt that door, you could see the door turning red under the beam, how did it not melt finns face off???

Concentration, perhaps? The beams focus on a single point, he was closer so they didn't get strong enough to do immediate damage.

[Aurrora]

Id love to see some Alien races take more of a lead role in the star wars films rather than just being side or minor characters. I understand that the Empire was very pro human, but it seems like the resistance should have more Alien races in rather than being 80% human. Would live a prominent Twi'lek or Kel Dor in a future film.

They need to introduce alien characters to the First Order as well so we can we done with the "The bad guys are an allegory to white supremacists" meme. With their leader being an alien and the majority of their suppliers seemingly being alien I don't see the First Order as being the human supremacists the Empire ended up becoming.

Let's add on that ridiculous holocall to Maz Kanata to the things that bugged us about this movie. It used the same sequence they show in the Star Tours ride and existed just to say "Hey, remember this character for the next time to ride our Disneyland attraction."