[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Tonkaden]

i dont mean to quote your entire post but this is related to Snoke. He JUST became top dog in the galaxy as of this movie/end of Force Awakens. Before that the First Order was just terrorizing places no one cared about. Which means he could quite simply just be someone who escaped with the remnants of the Empire 30 years prior (i think thats the gap period). The Empire got its hands on some sort of super advanced medical tech explained (not sure if its in the books but its in Battlefront), which would explain why he looks like crap

He still became top dog of the WHOLE galaxy though. Thats THE accomplishment.

He really only existed to push Ren over the edge to full darkness. Thats it. It was his whole purpose.

[Skorpionss]

That's your opinion. The fact is , is that the loudest voices are always heard. Some of you take this shit waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too serious. Its really no different than people who take gaming way too serious. Serious enough to go bash games or jump on the bandwagon in steam reviews.

Yea the movie had some parts that were head scratching, but overall , it was a decent movie. The slapstick humor was great. The whole theatre was laughing. You have to be miserable as all hell to not laugh at some of the jokes.

The-Shan,

It had great critic reviews. You know, the people who actually review movies for a living. The "bad reviews" you are seeing are the people with ungodly expectations for a movie that let down the people with said unreal expectations.

"Critic Reviews", you mean those guys that Disney bought off... I went in with low expectations after TFA (which had some really good scenes) and was still disappointed... and I don't dislike slapstick, but there's a time and a place... and the timing was off most of the time in this movie... It's what kills most marvel movies for me, you have these moments that are supposed to be tense and emotional and they force slapstick in them completely ruining that feeling...

I wasn't expecting much, just to learn from TFA and improve... but instead they almost completely ignored TFA and ruined it with badly placed slapstick and nonsense moments like SuperLeia and all the anti-climatic deaths... No huge moments that had impact on me emotionally... I mean shit I almost cried when Solo died in TFA, and when Kylo Ren stopped that blaster shot mid-air was fucking cool as shit, possibly the coolest force feat on screen so far... but this movie had NOTHING comparable... Luke's scene at the end had that potential but nope, they still managed to ruin it...

[PACOX]

After thinking about this movie and seeing it two times i made my list of issues below.
And my final verdict of the movie is that this is the 2e worst Star Wars movie just above the phantom mannice.
I will explain my issues below now in the spoiler tag:


1) The first order follows the rebels till they run out of fuel... why not send a few ships ahead and corner them?
This was the same as Prometheus where they keep running in the same direction like the falling ship.
2) The comedy is out of place in rly bad situations they just stop and joke around like this is a crappy Marvel sequel.
3) SJW PC culture everywhere in this movie from: "dont eat meat" to "all rich ppl are evil" toward "all woman are strong leaders" and we can keep going with this.
4) Snoke is a joke, they show him as the all powerfull guy that can kill ppl with his force powers from far far away and can link ppl together and know what ppl think in there minds, then the writters where like yeah... we actually dont need him in the story so they get a emo kid kill him like he is nothing. (we still know nothing about snoke where he came from and what his history with Vader and Luke was in any way or form but ok it dont matter anymore he is dead)
5) General leia gets sucked into space where everybody dies, but wait not leia she just force pulls herself back on the spaceship where they just open the door and let her in (no shield) and nobody gets sucked out into space (worst scene in any sci fi movie ever made)
6) Luke Skywalker wants to kill Ben Solo because he saw abit of the darkside in him? Luke that beleaved he could bring Darth Vader back to the light... Rly Luke would do this...
7) Yoda force ghost can control lightning in death, well if he could do that then he might just had killed Vader and Palpatine back in the day.
8) Luke cant even bother to save the day himself on the battlefield and die like a badass, no he makes a projection of himself and hold the firstorder back and just dies far away in the galaxy because of....
9) Why did Luke visite leia before walking outside the base and told her he would end Ben Solo when he only was planning to hold them back.
10) The casino planet with Rose and Fin is not Star Wars that was a chapter from a Harry Potter movie.
11) BB-8 kills masses of stormtroopers like the most badass robot ever made, so yeah rebels dont wait for support just make BB-8 unites and you win this war easy.
12) Luke use a blue lightsaber after Rey took it and broke it after the Snoke scene? His lightsaber is green did these ppl not see episode 6?
13) Yoda acting like the drunk character from episode 5 when he was just acting to see what motivations Luke had to become a Jedi.
Why would he now after he alrdy shown himself as Yoda the jedimaster as a crazy drunk when he was part of the Jedi council as a wise man.
14) Rey falls in the pit on the Island and comes out then she put her fingers on the wall where she is on the other side with like a loop of herself, what was the point of this all..... pointless scene.
15) Rey did 0 training with Luke other then feel the Force and suddenly she can move 1000 rocks at the end of the movie where Luke had problems with 2-3 rocks after days of training with Yoda.
16) Rose blocks Finn from destroying the cannon, Finn moves full power forward Rose moves back then suddenly can intercept him from the side on what way.... did she had a faster speeder..
17) Yoda force ghost was very bad, even back in the 80s movies they had the tech to make you see the background past the ghost forms this was just a puppet with a blue outline it was like Yoda was back alive instead of a ghost.
18) Why show the X-wing from Luke in the water when you do nothing about it.
19) Why waist time on Luke milking a alien cow and getting a fish.
20) Phasma is a James Bond villian, she has both Rose and Finn on the ground with tons of stormtroopers but does she shoot them dead? nope they need to suffer pain and ofc get away because of this act.

Well i stop at this point but you see where i get my issues from.

Brah, no no no



1) The First Order couldn't keep them within range at cruising speeds, that was established. It was too far for their fighters to stay out there or their fighters weren't coming back. In their mind why waste their own men and resources when they had the rebels backed into a corner, this was the last of them anyway. Also the flaw of the First Order is their arrogance, like the Rebellions (well Resistance) was trying to look like heroes.

2) The comedy complaint gets brought up every SW movie...except it exists in all SW movies...Like when people complained about Vader's jokes even know he always had corny jokes, him as Anakin was the same.

3) You only see that stuff as promoting PC culture if you're looking for it...No one said don't eat meat, Chewie was eating their friend. No one said all rich people were evil...SW, especially the Rebels, always had strong female leaders. The Rebellion was quite literally always led by a woman. Promoting [I]SJW PC culture[/I] would've been Poe being completly benched by some unknown female pilot.

4) Arrogance. Snoke killed himself the way he berated Kylo. Like constantly teasing a pitbull and not expecting it to snap one day.

5) Everyone knows that was fan service. Besides its not like they didn't pull that stuff in Guardians, where the Force isn't even a thing

6) Luke said he only thought about it for a moment and then realized the error of this thinking. His thinking was logical but misguided. It like the though experience behind "would you kill baby Hitler if you had the chance?" He was thinking about how the Jedi failed Anakin and all the destruction that came with that, that maybe that even if he failed he could still prevent Ben/Kylo from becoming the next Vader. He then said in that moment he turned from that idea but Ben/Kylo woke up so so much for just turning back around.

7) Force ghost are part of the Force, who knows. Im sure both Sidious and Vader would've seen it coming being Force sensitives.

8) Who was Luke going to fight? He was old and out of practice...

9) Because he wanted to see his sister before he left? To inspire hope in the others around her?

10) How? There are no casinos in the galaxy?

12) You mean fake Force projection Luke?

14) That was stupid, something got cut.

15) She is strong, accept it. Anakin was pulling BS too. He was undertrained compared to his peers but in the same league as Jedi Masters. Chalk it up to the Force gifting people when the galaxy needs to be rebalanced or some shit.

16) Finn's speeder was effectively in a glide at that point, he disengaged the little kickstand thing.

17) Yeah, the CGI was shit

18-19) 30 sec of fan service isnt wasting time, its world building.

20) Phasmas only purpose is to sell books and video games.



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He still became top dog of the WHOLE galaxy though. Thats THE accomplishment.

He really only existed to push Ren over the edge to full darkness. Thats it. It was his whole purpose.

Im not disputing that, but he only been top dog for like what? A few months top? The gap between the end of Force Awakens and Last Jedi is pretty short. The First Order? A bunch of kids and Empire fanboys, and there werent too many of them for him to climb over to reach to the top. If it turns out that he just one of Sidious's guards are Vader's Inquisitors (to explain his force abilities), it really wouldn't change much. DISNEY HAS A BOOK TO SALE

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I loved it. I think the differents from TFA stem entirely from a change in directors and writers. I think what JJ had in mind with... well pretty much everybody, was considerably different.


Snoke? Snoke never made any sense. Even as a 'plot device' he never did. Halfhearted Emperor clone. How the First order, spawned from the Imperial Navy's remnant in the unknown region, got a very, very old Force user as it's "Supreme Commander" is a pretty important part of the story that should be answered. Getting rid of him now, is fine (in fact, he never should have been in TFA either, just have the First Order be a diumverate of Hux and Ren). But how this powerful dark side of the force user got there is an important question.

I don't think we're getting any more significant information about the transition between the Empire -> First Order except for a Snoke novel. The Empire purged their worlds and military of anyone but the fanatical die hards and jumped to the back woods. They enslaved a bunch of people to build the First Order and came back. They were able to do it unchecked because the Republic ignorantly ignored what they saw as a bunch of cultists for 30 years.

[Espo]

Wrong post, oops!

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I'm torn on this movie...I can appreciate they're trying to distance us from the old and bring in the new, but can't help but be kind of disappointed in how it's all been handled. I kind of feel like they're treating the old characters as this nuisance that they need to get rid of. None of them have really been done any sort of decent justice over the two movies. It doesn't help that I, for some reason, really can't get into Rey/Finn/Poe. They just lack the charisma that Luke/Han/Leia had (to me at least). While I don't think Kylo represents the same threat as Vadar, he's at least a decently done character.

But maybe it's all just the nostalgia being a bit too strong. In either case, the movie was well-done, just not where I wanted them to go with the story.

[Zeek Daniels]

"Critic Reviews", you mean those guys that Disney bought off...

Well what about the A Cinema score? You know the polling system that they do for audiences coming directly out of the Theater where people cant create new accounts and vote 1 or 0 a bunch of times? You know legit polling.

[Skorpionss]

Well what about the A Cinema score? You know the polling system that they do for audiences coming directly out of the Theater where people cant create new accounts and vote 1 or 0 a bunch of times? You know legit polling.

yeah, those are reeeeeealy hard to fake too... hard to see who looks excited after the movie and ask them to vote while ignoring the disgruntled ones... Or you know, just giving it whatever mark you were paid to give it regardless of the actual poll results... I mean who verifies those polls exactly?

[Nefarious Tea]

yeah, those are reeeeeealy hard to fake too... hard to see who looks excited after the movie and ask them to vote while ignoring the disgruntled ones... Or you know, just giving it whatever mark you were paid to give it regardless of the actual poll results... I mean who verifies those polls exactly?

It's actually kind of cute how naive you are that you think Disney reps personally go to literally every movie theatre and pay the ENTIRE audience to give the movie a positive review.

[Keltas]

I think people really forget it's a second movie in a trilogy, and it's not going to finish off a bunch of plot strings.

Sure, some things were dumb, but I bet a lot of it will be explained off and suddenly this movie will be significantly better to many of you. Hell episode 5 was similar in not finishing plot strings, and had a lot of random shit that doesn't explain itself until episode 6 too.

And all the people crying about rey, just like leia being lukes brother, they could EASILY have dropped that in as a diversion, and have dropped hints that she isn't "just some smuggler kid". They literally had multiple sequences pointing to her being a being born purely of the force, or some kind of reincarnation of the force. She "Remembered" the tree and temple as if she had been there, the Ice wall thing showed her herself when she asked for her parents, they intentionally avoid it and she doesn't even say to kylo he was right about her parents. She probably isn't some random junk trader. Although if she is I think that would still be a good point in the trilogy so far.


I just don't understand why so many people acting like they needed to resolve every plot thread. It's a middle movie, it was never going to resolve many.



Those complaining about the star destroyer pilots being shit is kinda funny though. They were pretty god damn terrible at commanding a fleet in every other movie in the entire series. They've never had good military tactics. None of these movies have. Even episode 4-6 had horrible military tactics from every side.


Edit: If there is anything I do truly hate in these movies, it's the amount of shit they throw into books that should be in movies. Like who snoke is. Yeah the next movie might explain it but I think that was the only "major" black mark on this movie.

[Skorpionss]

It's actually kind of cute how naive you are that you think Disney reps personally go to literally every movie theatre and pay the ENTIRE audience to give the movie a positive review.

Nowhere did I claim such a thing... I am saying they paid CinemaScores to give it an A regardless of what the polling results were...

[Skorpionss]

Did Rey grab the jedi books from the tree? Someone is telling me they saw them in the drawers on the millennium falcon at the end.

yeah I had that same impression too, not sure if they were the same books though or just looked similarly :-/

[Keltas]

Did Rey grab the jedi books from the tree? Someone is telling me they saw them in the drawers on the millennium falcon at the end.

Yes she did. They were the same books.

[Nefarious Tea]

Yes she did. They were the same books.

Honestly that's the only real plot hole in the movie. If Rey has the books anyway.... why would Yoda use the Force to call lightning on the tree, making Luke's decision for him?

[ohiostate124]

Honestly that's the only real plot hole in the movie. If Rey has the books anyway.... why would Yoda use the Force to call lightning on the tree, making Luke's decision for him?

There were plenty of other plot holes.

[PACOX]

The Last Jedi Doesn't Care What You Think About Star Wars

<insert GIF of Luke throwing Anakin's saber over his shoulder>

[Keltas]

Honestly that's the only real plot hole in the movie. If Rey has the books anyway.... why would Yoda use the Force to call lightning on the tree, making Luke's decision for him?

Simply because luke didn't know, and he was keeping him from the truth so that he'd still go to them? The front did blow up when he tried to enter, possibly to prevent him from knowing they were gone? Perhaps yodas speech about failure was so she could learn from the jedis original failure?


I did realize something though about the next movie.

Rey and Kylo will both die to each other at the end. They will realize they are the absolute last of the jedi and sith, they will keep exponentially growing in their respective powers, and the only way to "truly" bring balance will be to wipe out both sides. Only then will all new force users be born, who are neutral and unbiased. That will be the true balance.

[ohiostate124]

The Last Jedi Doesn't Care What You Think About Star Wars

<insert GIF of Luke throwing Anakin's saber over his shoulder>

I really think that Disney and Kathleen Kennedy don’t give a fuck. They know they will make millions no matter what.

[Balir]

Honestly - Luke dying was like a piece of me dying. My childhood hero, that made me think about what possibilities are 'out there' - gone. It is kinda hard to handle a little bit. So, what other soul destroying thing can truly happen to totally destroy all the childhood hopes and dreams of fanhood. I reckon the one they'll make happen, is Chewie sacrifices himself AND the Millennium Falcon to save the day.

I'll piss off and disappear to an uncharted island myself if that happens.

[Skroe]

yeah I had that same impression too, not sure if they were the same books though or just looked similarly :-/

Did Rey grab the jedi books from the tree? Someone is telling me they saw them in the drawers on the millennium falcon at the end.

They are exactly the same books. Checked in a cam'd version I DL'd after i saw it. She snagged them.

Also Yoda was probably referring to this in part.

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Honestly - Luke dying was like a piece of me dying. My childhood hero, that made me think about what possibilities are 'out there' - gone. It is kinda hard to handle a little bit. So, what other soul destroying thing can truly happen to totally destroy all the childhood hopes and dreams of fanhood. I reckon the one they'll make happen, is Chewie sacrifices himself AND the Millennium Falcon to save the day.

I'll piss off and disappear to an uncharted island myself if that happens.

I mean, I had a hard time with that too, but take a larger perspective... kind of Yoda was saying... life is about doing what you can, now. Not always looking to the Horizon.

The greatest achievement of Luke's life was to filfull the prophecy, overthrow Darth Sidious (note: I loved the film name dropped this), and destroy the Empire. He accomplished this in his mid twenties.

Everything else that the Rebellion won out of the Civil War - the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, the peace - withered and eventually died. Not because they had completely failed, but because the task was too big for any of them. They did what they can, and others played (or did not play) their part.

Now, 34 years later, the First Order is on the verge of building a New Empire. Has it all been for nothing? Was the life of Luke, Han and Leia wasted? No. They did what they could, and to the end, by showing up on Crait, Luke did what he could. But the future is ultimately in other people's hands now.

Think about it like this. George Washington and his contemporaries created the United States through immense hardship and sacrifice.. Their grandchildren, in the Civil War, nearly destroyed it. Their successors took that creation, in wonderful, unexpected, sometimes terrible, often time unbelievable directions. There was no plan.... no one person in control. Everyone just did what they could.

I think that's the essence of the Luke Skywalker's heroism as a character from his first appearance. He didn't set out to destroy the Empire after his adopted parents were killed. He always just wanted to make a difference.

I think this contrasts against Anakin Skywalker. Every moment of Anakin's life was leading him to the instant he decided to throw the Emperor down the Death Star II's chute. Luke Skywalker's life wasn't leading to Ahch-To. It wasn't leading any one place in particular.

Him living and laughing around a campfire at the end of the sequel trilogy, I think, would not be fitting to the character.

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Oh asorted thoughts.


Using hyperspace as a weapon, finally, was fucking amazing. Surprising in all Star Wars movies, we've never seen that. And here, we see it, and one ship and FTL debrie demolish the First Order fleet. Stunning moment.

Snokes Guards... man I loved them. I loved the Samurai look (really the entire thrown room). I loved how they all used different weapons. And there was one that held his sword at a down angle the second Rey grabed a lightsaber... that was so awesome.

I loved we finally got some honesty, from the fiction (and by no less than Luke Skywalker himself), that the Republic-era Jedi were basically profound failures and terrible at everything. I loved the Darth Sidious name drop. I also really liked he made clear that the Jedi use the Light Side of the force, but are not [I]the [/I]light side and it exists independent of them.

[Moralgy]

I just got back from the movie and I have a question that is bugging me.
How did the hacker dude learn that the resistance was fleeing the main ship? Did I just miss the part where he heard that, because I possibly zoned out if it was mentioned at some point around him.

Otherwise, it was a movie. It felt like a filler episode to me, but I've never thought any of the star wars movies were really that amazing, but they are okay to watch.

[ohiostate124]

This was entertaining