Screw freedom of speech and can mods just ban any flat earthers and climate change deniers? Some people have to be stopped from spreading their idiocy.
Screw freedom of speech and can mods just ban any flat earthers and climate change deniers? Some people have to be stopped from spreading their idiocy.
@rda
It is up there on the in the first post. It is no hoax. It is changing. Be it natural or accelerated by us. The thing is there are things we can do to slow it or stop it.climate change hoax
Hoax is the trigger word for me. It is ridiculous. I have been experiencing it first hand. All my childhood I had played in snow till high school second grade. Then we had a terrible disastrous winter in which my city lost all electricity and water for 2 weeks. Heating systems stopped. Bakeries were not even able to make bread and a fucking birthday candle was sold in black market ffs. It took all the electricity to be distributed again to all villages and municipalities a year.
Then we have never ever seen snow again. Right now it is december and it is hot as a spring day. It is not raining enough.
Then a fucktard says nothing is changing relax brah it is a hoax. ermmmm...fuck you? You may not have experienced it. That doesn't mean the rest of the world is not experiencing it.
Spare me the differences of global warming, climate change, regional something something and something. I refuse. All are connected to each other somehow.
I suffer from it. We suffer from it. You will suffer from it.
~I last saw snow in my city 14 years ago.
Last edited by Gref; 2017-12-19 at 09:07 AM.
Do you mean when they lie about what the data is? They do that a lot.
Do you mean when they baselessly slander the entire scientific field for being conspiracists in a grand deceit against the world, all for no possible gains whatsoever? Because that's nutcase territory, and is required if you're disputing the consensus.
Do you mean when they refuse to acknowledge basic science concepts with reams and reams of confirming testing behind it, like the atmospheric chemistry effects of GHGs?
They're in exactly the same ballpark as flat-earthers. They've decided evidence doesn't matter, because the facts are a conspiracy against their imagination.
I asked you: are you sure you understand what the "climate change deniers" say here? What is it that they are calling a "hoax"?
Your answer shows that no, you don't understand it. You think that those folks you want to label as "deniers" say that climate change is not happening. They are not saying that. Climate change is happening, yes. Part of it is human-induced, yes. The main point of contest is this: the scale of the change is unclear and it is too early to panic, the "deniers" say this and the other side disagrees vehemently. I am oversimplifying here, there are actually tons of points of contest, big and small (ie, no, it has not been shown at all that climate change is making hurricanes worse, and this is actually right in the IPCC reports, there are a hundred things like that), but this is the gist.
This is what is being called a "hoax" - this "quick, quick, fast, fast, spend money doing all kinds of BS to 'protect' the humanity, because we have an unthinkable catastrophe coming".
Hold off your horses, please, and stop getting angry at something that isn't happening. Maybe someone thinks that climate change isn't happening, but the debate has never been about that, it's just that framing it that way is useful for one of the sides (this way they can portray themselves as scientists vs unwashed masses, while in reality it is exactly science on the side of the "deniers" vs an overinvested portion of it on the side of the "climate science activists" that are all too willing to bend data for effect and have been caught cooking their books multiple times - thankfully, this all comes to terms over time and the idiotic projections from the latter camp become calmer).
Last edited by rda; 2017-12-19 at 09:24 AM.
Seems pretty short sighted. The rest of the world - including the Carbon Footprint boogeyman that is China - are heavily investing in Green Energy and are all actively moving away from reliance on Fossil fuels.
At some point it'll flip and fossil fuel will become outdated, leaving America isolated and behind.
Plus is reeks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Obama said that climate change presents an "urgent and growing threat to our national security" several years earlier.
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Here is what taking climate change off the list of national security threats is about on a practical level:
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What has been happening is that federal agencies, at all levels, have had to waste countless hours producing climate change planning documents. That is to say, not only planning for what the agency is supposed to be doing, but also planning for the 1) additional GHG emissions that might result from the action and 2) the effects of climate change on the action.
For example, say I am in the dept. of transportation, and the government wishes to build a road. I have to plan – how much is the road going to increase the release of GHGs? There are the GHGs emitted from the machinery used to build it. The GHGs from the concrete, and from the factory, and from the trucks that hauled it to the sight. The road may cause people to drive more, increasing GHG emissions. Or it might shorten the commute time for the drivers, meaning they emit less. The road might cross a wetlands, but with climate change, might those wetlands have disappeared anyway? or perhaps expanded? What about the carbon absorption capacity of the prairie grass being covered? Perhaps the road will increase economic activity in some way, resulting in more GHGs?
A big fat report filled with arm waving is produced, and we all get to take turns imagining new and ever more fantastic climate repercussions of our decision to build a road. then argue over who’s fantasy is most likely, and which arm waving estimate to use.
And, at the end of the day, absolutely nothing ever changes, because, heck, we need a bloody road. So we toss the report in a bin and proceed.
Think I’m joking?
For climate change true believers, this is an absolute farce. It accomplishes nothing. It wastes money. I’ve often thought just get rid of this silly goat rope, and vow to spend $5 billion on solar panels, donated to charities, and we would be still several billion $ ahead of the game.
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No more of that for the time being and no getting into other idiotic arrangements that pretend to improve the global situation (against the "predicted" disaster, no less) while on scale doing nearly nothing.
So which university did you get your climate science degree at?
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I hope they do, last time they did that it was fucking hilarious. Had a page where a bunch of climate deniers signed under "I agree that this paper is true", and therefore it was "peer reviewed".
You realize that your angle here is even more absurd than just denying climate change?
Do you understand the speed at which things happen at the global environment level? Do you think humans evolved from apes in about a week? And before you say "that proves my point, climate change is super slow", well guess what? Addressing it is going to take time too because we're trying to fix the same exact system.
I'm sorry that climate change isn't your summer blockbuster disaster movie, but to assume "we've got time" is incredibly naive.
See further how folks in the national security community advised that climate change was a threat to nat sec. Here's a paper from 2009 - https://www.c2es.org/site/assets/upl...ate-change.pdf
Its a waste of time not because climate change isn't an issue but because we waste time on small stuff. We need to address the big problems but too much of the messaging around climate change has revolved around each individual doing their part when its the large companies that need to clean up their act. But then that's the way here in 'Murica, we let the corporations run roughshod while we gobble up all their bullshit and waste our time pointing fingers at each other instead of them.
This is from an engineer who has performed fault rupture and site specific seismic response studies for hospitals, police station, bridges, schools and airports, and worked in CA, WA, CO, TX, IL, FL and TN. California building code standard and enforcement are head and shoulder above these other states. Florida is probably a close second. Texas and the others are not even close.
That being said, an 8.5 magnitude seismic event directly under a major metropolitan area will be devastating anywhere. For that matter a 6.5 directly under a metropolitan area will be devastating. With a few exceptions (namely hospital, school and police station), as engineers, we do not do “No Failure” design for a seismic event occurring directly underneath our structures. We usually design for “No Catastrophic Failure”. We want the structure and its service facilities to survive long enough for people to evacuate. We don’t even do “No Failure” for an airport.
By the way, there are no known faults capable of 8.5 magnitude event in CA. The big one off San Andreas is estimated at 8.1. Magnitudes 7.0 to 7.5 are probably more realistic.
A major seismic event on the New Madrid (10% chance of 7.5 - 8.0 magnitude in the next 50 years per USGS) is potentially more damaging than San Andreas. Numerous major metropolitan areas, including St. Louis, Knoxville, Witchita, are located right on top of the fault zone. Most of them do not have building code standard and enforcement remotely comparable to CA. Not to mention all those brick buildings.
Furthermore, the unique geology in the Midwest increases the shaking intensity of earthquakes because seismic energy moves through the dense bedrock at very high speeds, then becomes trapped in soft sediments filling river channels and valleys which dominate the Midwest geology. For example, data indicates ground shaking would be magnified about 600 percent within the flood plain of the Missouri River, a development that would cause most of Missouri’s existing long-span bridges to collapse. You don't even need a really big earthquake to do significant damage in Missouri.
All I know is we are fucked in WA... any minute now... we are over due for the big one and have volcanos...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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Seven great earthquakes, or earthquake series, probably ruptured the southern Washington part of the Cascadia subduction zone in the past 3,500 years. Each earthquake was probably of magnitude 8 or larger. The earthquakes define six recurrence intervals that average about 500 years. The longest interval, about 700-1300 years, was followed by two of the shortest, which together lasted less than 800 years. Another long interval, 600-1000 years, ended with an earthquake 300 years ago.
Yeah. WA is hosed.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
This is an interesting study on the Cascadia Subduction Zone.
https://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/pp1661f/
The publication is the culmination of 13 years of research at Oregon State University. The study indicates that over the past 10,000 years, there have been 19 earthquakes that extended along most of the coastal margin, stretching from southern Vancouver Island to the Oregon-California border. These would typically be of a magnitude from about 8.7 to 9.2 – really huge earthquakes.
The study also determined that there have been 22 additional earthquakes that involved just the southern end of the fault zone. The authors assumed that these are slightly smaller – more like 8.0 – but not necessarily. They were still very large earthquakes that if they happened today could have a devastating impact.
How scientists document the earthquake history of the Cascadia Subduction Zone is fascinating. When a major offshore earthquake occurs, the disturbance causes mud and sand to begin streaming down the continental margins and into the undersea canyons. Coarse sediments called turbidites ran out onto the abyssal plain; these sediments stand out distinctly from the fine particulate matter that accumulates on a regular basis between major tectonic events. By dating the fine particles through carbon-14 analysis and other methods, the authors were able to estimate with a great deal of accuracy when major earthquakes have occurred over the past 10,000 years.
The good news for you is that the study suggests that the southern Oregon coast may be most likely location of the next event based on the recurrence frequency. Although, I am sure the people of Oregon does not look at it the same way.
BTW, I am sure to all the global warming deniers, these are all fake news. The Cascadian Fault Zone does not even exist. Probably just part of rumors started by the Chinese.
If you're claiming anthropogenic climate change is a hoax, then you're proposing that there's a global conspiracy among tens of thousands of scientists (just for starters), who've all perpetrated some grand deceit on the entire world, from just about every country in the world, with no identifiable gains or objective on their behalf, and without being able to produce a shred of evidence of any such collusion or dishonesty.
It's a conspiracy theory precisely as insane and meritless as those claiming that the Earth is flat, or that we're secretly ruled by lizardfolk from Inner Earth. It's abject lunatic nonsense, and it's isn't even entertaining nonsense; it's just lazy.
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