Elves. The most treacherous race on Azeroth.

[Soeroah]

You say the Nightborne "betrayed their Alliance helper" as if that's canon.

Individual players aren't the canon hero, they're part of a quantum-shifting Protagonist cut out that performs actions Blizzard can attribute to any NPC they want to. Chances are pretty high the canonical hero who helped the Nightborne will turn out to be a Horde, and the Lightforged will have been helped by an Alliance to balance it out.

[sillag]

The most probable outcome of that would be an unopposed Lich King decimating a resurgent Human kingdom uniquely susceptible to the Plague of Undeath - a kingdom that has likely ostracized all of its non-Human allies due to Garithos' prodigious racism/speciesism. Remember that in addition to detesting the Blood Elves and the undead, Garithos was also belittling and demeaning toward his Dwarven and Gnomish units. Garithos would likely, over time, push the Night Elves, Draenei, Dwarves, and Gnomes out of the Alliance leaving Humanity alone. Alone and with their alliances shattered they would be easy pickings for the Scourge.

no you see you may think thats the case but in fact the lich king thing still plays out the same ultimately. arthas is still gonna put on the helmet and wait around until tft. illidan might die earlier but that doesnt even matter because when we need him back xera is gonna fall out of the sky and ressurect him. garithos isnt gonna be able to push other races out of the alliance once its done either since he was only able to do it to the blood elves because he was in a unique situation where he had no oversight. as soon as theres a king around hes gonna shut up.

i have already thought this through entirely and theres only 2 issues we will run into in the garithos timeline

1. garithos is probably taken over by detheroc. thats pretty bad but in reality its not gonna be all that much worse than the scarlet crusade. and remember varimathras was working against the eastern kingdoms anyway so the net level of dreadlord interference is about the same. however we cant be certain there wont be. now on the plus side we've seen from our time playing wow that dreadlords are basically completely ineffective at their role and garithos would most likely get killed at which point we dont even have to worry about your idea that he might push the other races out of the alliance

2. when legion comes around, theres not gonna be as many illidari around. thats a problem since they were kind of important. however keep in mind that without the forsaken and blood elves we make a lot of other gains for the united azeroth forces including: gilneas (greymane doesnt go revenge crazy because sylvanas isnt around), tempest keep (blood elves dont take it over). tempest keep is the big one imo thats a game changer.

the legion also gets a big setback because without the blood elves and kaelthas around sunwell peninsula never happens. the remaining high elves just stay paladins.

were all set for life. im telling you this is a good deal for everyone involved.

[Friendlyimmolation]

1. garithos is probably taken over by detheroc. thats pretty bad but in reality its not gonna be all that much worse than the scarlet crusade. and remember varimathras was working against the eastern kingdoms anyway so the net level of dreadlord interference is about the same. however we cant be certain there wont be. now on the plus side we've seen from our time playing wow that dreadlords are basically completely ineffective at their role and garithos would most likely get killed at which point we dont even have to worry about your idea that he might push the other races out of the alliance

Yea, deathlords are ineffective, they only got the ashbringer corrupted, got the most powerful paladin at the time killed, helped create the Blight, created the scarlet crusade, a group who wiped out human survivors of the scourge. Garithos wouldn't even of had to be possessed to ruin the Alliance in this strange scenario.


2. when legion comes around, theres not gonna be as many illidari around. thats a problem since they were kind of important. however keep in mind that without the forsaken and blood elves we make a lot of other gains for the united azeroth forces including: gilneas (greymane doesnt go revenge crazy because sylvanas isnt around), tempest keep (blood elves dont take it over). tempest keep is the big one imo thats a game changer.

Gilnaes only rejoined the Alliance because of the Forsaken. So they would still be walled off. The high elves are still decimated / killed except this time kael'thas/rommath/illidan aren't around to save their civilization and rescue Quel'thalas. In the end everyone would be killed in the eastern Kingdoms by the Scourge.

[lewdest]

yo elves be hot tho, i wanna stick my dick in one

[sillag]

Yea, deathlords are ineffective, they only got the ashbringer corrupted, got the most powerful paladin at the time killed, helped create the Blight, created the scarlet crusade, a group who wiped out human survivors of the scourge. Garithos wouldn't even of had to be possessed to ruin the Alliance in this strange scenario.


2. when legion comes around, theres not gonna be as many illidari around. thats a problem since they were kind of important. however keep in mind that without the forsaken and blood elves we make a lot of other gains for the united azeroth forces including: gilneas (greymane doesnt go revenge crazy because sylvanas isnt around), tempest keep (blood elves dont take it over). tempest keep is the big one imo thats a game changer.

Gilnaes only rejoined the Alliance because of the Forsaken. So they would still be walled off. The high elves are still decimated / killed except this time kael'thas/rommath/illidan aren't around to save their civilization and rescue Quel'thalas. In the end everyone would be killed in the eastern Kingdoms by the Scourge.

yea but ask yourself what did all that dreadlord stuff add up to. ultimately nothing. they always tip their hand and get beat.

cant agree with any of your other suppositions. the gilneans are still gonna have their worgen problem which the night elves can help them with. eventually someones gonna notice theyre all turning into werewolfs over there. and lmao kaelthas didnt save the blood elves dude he ran off with the sunfury and took over half of outland we had to kill him in a raid and a dungeon. theres actually gonna be more high elves around this way ironically and without prince "im gonna join the burning legion" theyre all gonna be a lot happier

im afraid this is a bulletproof scenario

[Friendlyimmolation]

yea but ask yourself what did all that dreadlord stuff add up to. ultimately nothing. they always tip their hand and get beat.

Not if the only people around are easily manipulated, racist humans.

cant agree with any of your other suppositions. the gilneans are still gonna have their worgen problem which the night elves can help them with. eventually

Buddy you do realize they would be walled off and no one would know about the Problem? It took the Catacylsm to crack open the reef that blocked them off from sea and their wall to be opened.

and lmao kaelthas didnt save the blood elves dude he ran off with the sunfury and took over half of outland we had to kill him in a raid and a dungeon.

Really dude, please learn your lore. Kael'thas's teachings under Illidan, were sent back to Quel'thalas to rebuild Silvermoon and dive back the Scourge from Northen Quel'thalas, as well as rebooting the arcane sanctums and providing the population with a way to stave off arcane hunger.

theres actually gonna be more high elves around this way ironically and without prince "im gonna join the burning legion" theyre all gonna be a lot happier

Only in your mind where you have no actual grasp on canon events.

im afraid this is a bulletproof scenario

Perhaps in your flawed realm of headcanon. You might as well give all of your scenarios paladins with Jetpacks with how weak your grasp is on events are, im noticing a trend here.

[sillag]

Not if the only people around are easily manipulated, racist humans.



Buddy you do realize they would be walled off and no one would know about the Problem? It took the Catacylsm to crack open the reef that blocked them off from sea and their wall to be opened.


Really dude, please learn your lore. Kael'thas's teachings under Illidan, were sent back to Quel'thalas to rebuild Silvermoon and dive back the Scourge from Northen Quel'thalas, as well as rebooting the arcane sanctums and providing the population with a way to stave off arcane hunger.



Only in your mind where you have no actual grasp on canon events.



Perhaps in your flawed realm of headcanon. You might as well give all of your scenarios paladins with Jetpacks with how weak your grasp is on events are, im noticing a trend here.

nah dude lets be real about this. gilneas has a coastline you know eventually someone is gonna sail a boat near there and look thru a telescope and be like uhhhh hey guys everyone in that city is a werewolf lets call up the druids. and thats even if they stay walled up because with no forsaken around theres gonna be a lot less undead around when they peek over that wall

and again with no forsaken the alliance can easily just walk on over to silvermoon and help out there. the only thing stopping them was once again evil skeleton queen sylvanas. this will most likely be revealed in bfa as part of her overall scheme when we learn she was with the old gods all along. print this post out and frame it then when that moment happens you will be able to look at this post.

[Friendlyimmolation]

nah dude lets be real about this. gilneas has a coastline you know eventually someone is gonna sail a boat near there and look thru a telescope and be like uhhhh hey guys everyone in that city is a werewolf lets call up the druids. and thats even if they stay walled up because with no forsaken around theres gonna be a lot less undead around when they peek over that wall

We've breached maxim "What if" scenario levels of stupid here. The Scourge has already wiped out the rest of the Alliance up north, The night elves are not part of the Alliance, and the Dwarves aren't going to waste their resources going through Scourge to fight Werewolves.

and again with no forsaken the alliance can easily just walk on over to silvermoon and help out there. the only thing stopping them was once again evil skeleton queen sylvanas. this will most likely be revealed in bfa as part of her overall scheme when we learn she was with the old gods all along. print this post out and frame it then when that moment happens you will be able to look at this post.

The Alliance already betrayed them with Garithos at this point, Keal'thas is dead by the Alliance hands and you think that they would want any fucking thing to do with them? The elves would already have been killed off by the Scourge at that point in time. Your lack of common lore knowledge isn't only hilarious, it is disgusting. Your scenario is a patchwork of incoherent headcanon, stitched together with a lack of common sense and a complete ignorance of how the Alliannce, and the Horde came to be and how their races act.

[TickTickTick]

Humans (we, irl) are so treacherous. There are so many instances of betrayal during the world's history that its not worth it to list them.
Dont trust anyone!

[Terongor]

Correction!
Void Elves were kicked out for practicing Void Magic, they did not betray the Blood Elves, they betrayed them.


That was the Blood Elves, the High Elves stayed loyal to the Alliance.


Which happened AFTER they left the Alliance.


Tyrande didn't betray anyone, as the Leader of the Night Elves she had all the authority to release a prisoner as she saw fit. And Cenarius had nothing to do with that!


Except she was always a member of the Alliance and didn't betray anyone. Her people were the ones who betrayed her by siding with the Horde. Get your facts straight!

But OP do have a point, so far the only Elf race that can be trusted, is the Night Elves, High Elves and Void Elves. Ironically, all three are (soon in terms of the VEs) members of the Alliance. Can't trust Hores.

Vereesa betrayed quel'thalas for letting Garithos try to execute her sovereign.

[Deleted]

This is why we Elves left Middle Earth. All the Elf hate.

[Ramz]

I was asking myself that question for a long time.

Why eveyrone is eager to trust them, give them aid and save them? especially when they gave zero reason to deserve it. I'm looking at Velen and Sunwell restoration. He got almost killed by belves not to mention draenei got huge caulties from exodar clash.

[Combatbutler]

I was asking myself that question for a long time.

Why eveyrone is eager to trust them, give them aid and save them? especially when they gave zero reason to deserve it. I'm looking at Velen and Sunwell restoration. He got almost killed by belves not to mention draenei got huge caulties from exodar clash.

Velen is just downright strange he wouldn't fight the orcs clan attacking their caravans raping and killing their people for centuries either.

[Sky High]

They are quite literally the worst.

[Ramz]

Velen is just downright strange he wouldn't fight the orcs clan attacking their caravans raping and killing their people for centuries either.

That is a very good point, actually.

[gcsmith]

Void Elves aren't betraying their own, the total opposite, they get betrayed by their own because of their study of the Void and get thrown out.

I can view the conversations now.

"You dare dabble in evil magiks?" "You mean like how you used fel?"

[Friendlyimmolation]

I can view the conversations now.

"You dare dabble in evil magiks?" "You mean like how you used fel?"

Void was used by the greatest traitor in their history, and 2, it threatens the sunwell.

Also for the 10 thousandth time since people here seem to have a very selective memory, the overwhelming majority of blood elves didn’t use fel.

[gcsmith]

Void was used by the greatest traitor in their history, and 2, it threatens the sunwell.

Also for the 10 thousandth time since people here seem to have a very selective memory, the overwhelming majority of blood elves didn’t use fel.

they also didnt use shadow, your point

[Friendlyimmolation]

they also didnt use shadow, your point

So your point is what exactly? Void elves threatened Quel’thalas but being kicked out means they were betrayed? They betrayed their ideals in pursuit of a power, that in Umbric’s words “I did not comprehend?”


Exiling dangerous people isn’t betraying someone, especially after you warned them not to do it. it would be betrayal if they were doing nothing wrong, and the only reason they have sanity and free will is because void maguffin Alleria showed up to save the day, precisely when they were getting turned into ethereals.

[Darktbs]

Void was used by the greatest traitor in their history,

This is not common knowledge, in fact, Umbric's surprise indicates that this was a secret.

If Rommath could spill the beans and told, "this guy used this magic to destroy our people" maybe this wouldn't happen.

Also for the 10 thousandth time since people here seem to have a very selective memory, the overwhelming majority of blood elves didn’t use fel.

Can you provide evidence for this?

Not trying to be rude or anything, just saying that in cases like this:

In-game fel crystals everywhere, the quick lore sources don't specify that the majority/minority used fel or not, the Green eyes indicative of use of Fel magic or being near people that use Fel magic and so on.

You can't fault people for coming to a conclusion that the game leads them to, if you want to correct someone show evidence that what you say is true, otherwise it can just be dismissed.