Their morals and ours (EU-NA)

[Dmitro]

There's no example of what they were talking about. Could be warning signs, it was after all, only check ups and not arrests of all of them.

storming peoples houses for what they express on the web politically isnt something right or generally isnt the governments business.

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Except nobody went to jail?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...606-story.html NO FREW SPIECH IN US HURRDURR, see, how that works?

same response

[Lochton]

I mean....

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/1...cebook-twitter

nice "free speech" in European Union

It could generally just pull up any aggressive 'freedom of speech' situation as a counter, or the part of the US not permitting some hate speech either. So, shall we call it a tie?

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storming peoples houses for what they express on the web politically isnt something right or generally isnt the governments business

Again, we don't really know what the messages were, though, do we?

[Dmitro]

Yes, calling for others to be killed is not allowed in most places in Europe. Such a shame, so much freedom lost

its banned in US also, dont know what you talking about

[Skulltaker]

I mean....

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/1...cebook-twitter

nice "free speech" in European Union

Free speech does not mean that you get a free ticket to insult or discriminate or spread misinformation to further your cause.

[Lochton]

Yes, calling for others to be killed is not allowed in most places in Europe. Such a shame, so much freedom lost

I am so happy that wishing the death upon people in public is considered assault in some places.

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its banned in US also, dont know what you talking about

He's talking about those 36 raids article you linked.

[Skulltaker]

storming peoples houses for what they express on the web politically isnt something right or generally isnt the governments business.

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Ahm, yeah, wrong again. If you threaten or hurt others rights, the gouvernment gets involved. It's not any different in the US. You just get more leeway. But since we are talking about principles, that doesn't count.

[Dmitro]

Free speech does not mean that you get a free ticket to insult or discriminate or spread misinformation to further your cause.

oh, Now I see, "spread misinformation"

free speech means i say what i want and its not the governments goddamn business unless its something life threatening.

[Torched]

its not about how many people are affected, its about a freaking PRINCIPLE, its either youre a free man or youre not.
Plus I dont think its just 0.001% as you claim it to be, how would you know the amount of people that are afraid to express their "extreme" views due to the fascist regulations?

..........free man? what bullshit are you talking about, you have no more freedom than anyone in western Europe, wow you can hate speech all you want, big fucking deal.
Europe is not one country you know, there are allot of countries that you can hate speech all you want, but some take it more serious than others.

For all the "Freedom" talk you Americans have and are so proud of, if that is the only thing that separates you all from the rest of the world, big fucking deal, you can hate speech all you want... WOW such freedom!

[Dmitro]

He's talking about those 36 raids article you linked.

Nope, hes not, since death theats were never the reason of the arrests otherwise they'd be in jail.

[Mullet Man]

Google: Individualism vs Collectivism

[Dmitro]

..........free man? what bullshit are you talking about, you have no more freedom than anyone in western Europe, wow you can hate speech all you want, big fucking deal.
Europe is not one country you know, there are allot of countries that you can hate speech all you want, but some take it more serious than others.

For all the "Freedom" talk you Americans have and are so proud of, if that is the only thing that separates you all from the rest of the world, big fucking deal, you can hate speech all you want... WOW such freedom!

I got it, for you experssing views you dont like is hate speech. Wont be surprised if youre too the left and think republicans/trump are nazi. like at all.

[Skulltaker]

oh, Now I see, "spread misinformation"

free speech means i say what i want and its not the governments goddamn business unless its something life threatening.

Really? So, when you say you're planning to commit theft, they won't interfere? Or if you plan to pass on sensitive information to another nation?

[Lochton]

..........free man? what bullshit are you talking about, you have no more freedom than anyone in western Europe, wow you can hate speech all you want, big fucking deal.
Europe is not one country you know, there are allot of countries that you can hate speech all you want, but some take it more serious than others.

For all the "Freedom" talk you Americans have and are so proud of, if that is the only thing that separates you all from the rest of the world, big fucking deal, you can hate speech all you want... WOW such freedom!

This... Actually made me chuckle a little... Can I hug you? Can't like your post after all.

[Dmitro]

Google: Individualism vs Collectivism

politically invidualism means less government and less regulations, collectivism - larger government ( check out nazis and socialists/communists).

[Karlz0rz]

It's like the OP is proud of the ability to spew vile shit over his social media without the government being able to punish him for it. I mean, grats on being a toxic person I guess? You won I guess?

[Dmitro]

Really? So, when you say you're planning to commit theft, they won't interfere?

they should, crime is crime and ought to be prevented, but we are talking about political and cultural issues after all, in US its almost totally free, in EU tho...

[LaserChild9]

http://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/179...ith-commentary

US has probably the most unregulated free speech in the world due to the first amendment, god bless our founding fathers

You didn't answer the question... Anyway, my main issue with the American way of life is that you worship documents written almost 230 years ago, like the ones you linked, they were written for a different age and a different time, and the American government refuses to look at changing things for the modern era. For example, gun control, whatever your opinions, the rest of the civilized world has some form gun control, but most Americans delude themselves into believing that they have a need for gun ownership in case the government becomes Tyrannical, but none of them seem to realise that the government would still roll over anyone that stood against them because tanks/drones beat guns. Then you have the NRA who give generously to politicians who promote guns and the 2nd amendment and work against those who don't. The NRA is not a political organisation so they should stay out of politics, but they don't, they pay people to promote/preserve gun use which in any other country would be a bribe, but it's lobbying in the US.

Lots of the American systems are outdated but can't be changed because the people in power and the wealthy people won't allow it. That's no more freedom than you would give a free range hen, sure they are free to move about and have a better standard of life than battery hens, but it is all at the behest of the farmer, he decides where they can and can't go, what they can and can't do, it's an illusion.

[Torched]

I got it, for you experssing views you dont like is hate speech. Wont be surprised if youre too the left and think republicans/trump are nazi. like at all.

You fucking linked me to some idiots being arrested for hate speech in some country and you pointed out that you can "do" that in the US and that was you're big freedom or some shit, I pointed out too you that if that's you're big freedom than you have nothing to brag about.

I'm in the middle, the left and the right can go fuck themselves.

[Lochton]

Nope, hes not, since death theats were never the reason of the arrests otherwise they'd be in jail.

We don't know if it was. We know it was 'Obviously criminal content'.

[Dezerte]

We believe in freedom, liberty and equality too. The difference lies within how to best protect and uphold these values, which we have different approaches to.

I think we can all agree that we must limit some freedoms in order to protect more important freedoms (e.g. murder vs right to life), so the idea of limiting some freedoms in order to protect "greater" freedoms should not be a unknown concept to you. Of course there are other things we don't agree on (and you don't have to go the US for that, there is plenty of political diversity in Europe).

People who are against big government are classical liberals (liberals), they believe in minimizing the state as much as possible - and this is a centrist (or center-right at best) position if we generalize it. The closest to this in the US would be libertarians. Big government exists just as easily on the right as it does on the left, where the Republican party in the US is hardly different from the Democrats.