In the market for a new pistol

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on counter strike global offensive i usually go with the tec-9 or the p911.

both excellent accuracy and sufficient power for close and long range targets.

[Kellhound]

Interestingly enough the full sized Rex Zero 1 borrows heavily from the design of the P226, hell short of a few minor design changes its damn near a clone, with a fit and finish I'd venture to say is better than Sigs, and at half the price. If you're looking for more info on AREX and how the Rex Zero 1 compares to the Sig, you should check out MAC on Youtube, he was part of the factory tour for them this past fall and even has a good side by side torture test between the 2 pistols.

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Personally I'm a bit leery of it until I can get my hands on one and put a few mags down range. It uses the LCP2's trigger system which I'm not a fan of, although that might just have been me having difficulty getting a good handle on the tiny little purse gun that is the LCP2.

Personally I have had no issues with my LCP2, which was a step up from the LCP. Honestly I prefered Ruger's older P series, but then again I am a traditionalist. The only handgun I will never buy again is a Glock (or any other striker fired handgun with no real safety).

[Casterbridge]

And you have no viable criteria to separate trigger happy idiots from actually sound advice on this forum. Which is exactly my point. I get a feeling that vast majority of people here make decisions based on movies and video games, not actual experience when it comes to guns. So the point stands: because you have no valid criteria to separate the two, other than "I trust you are telling me the truth" (yeah... on an MMO forum...), asking advice here not only is pointless, it is counterproductive. This includes the question about the type of firearm choice, if any. I bet that many more people here have experience with cars than guns. But one would be an idiot to ask on this forum about what car (or car components) should you get to go to a race track despite that. Both, cars and guns are capable to get you and others unintentionally killed or injured. Therefore, any decision making that is not based on verifiable information should be regarded as potential disinformation.
Basically - talk to specialists you can verify. Preferably face to face. Asking about guns on a gaming forum is like asking for trouble.

@Gaaz if it makes you feel any better I agree with your point about talking with someone you know is a specialist face to face should always be part of the process. This was not my first stop and will not be my last stop before I actually make my decision, I was actually just curious what others here would say since we have a lot of people that do get fired up when firearms are discussed.

Most of the responses have been a long the lines of either guns I'm aware off/have used and advice I already follow with a few exceptions (the Arex for example was a company/gun I had never even heard of before).

As for me personally my own view of firearm ownership in the US is probably at odds with a lot of other gun owners (though obviously I'm okay with the responsible law abiding citizen ultimately owning a gun otherwise I wouldn't own any or asking for opinions), but I don't really want to get into a political debate, in this thread

[Kellhound]

Your points are valid and well said. But lets not let some derail the thread into a gun control subject and they shut it down. Which is what they want.

Now on topic, which hand gun do you prefer for carrying while hiking? And why. And if you did, which would you prefer for carry concealed?

That depends on where I am hiking, or more correctly the wildlife I am most likely to encounter. Bear country would be .44 mag (or bigger) revolver. Elsewhere I use a lighter full size 9mm as 2 legged predators are just as likely to be an issue as 4 legged (or no legged) predators.

[Witchblade77]

I like the Ruger SR9c myself, but really the best thing to do is compare the offerings of the big boys for how they feel in your hand and how well they point for you.

I used to like SR9.. until it started double feeding at least once on every magazine and sending it to ruger for repairs, TWICE, did nothing to fix it (and neither did getting new magazines). and before "you must be holding it wrong" it didn't used to do it for the first 6 months or so that I had it, I don't have that issue with any other pistol I tried, and multiple instructors on the range had the same exact issue with it that i did. it did feel good when it was working. it just... stopped working.

I did hear good things about shield though and glock 19 is generally a good baseline. its not flashy, but its reliable and pleasant to shoot.

P.S. disclaimer. I personaly mainly use it for range shooting, though not recently. ammo costs and all. have never been shot and and hope to never be shot at or shoot anyone. I have seen couple of instructors conceal carry glock 19, so it can certainly work.

[Kellhound]

I used to like SR9.. until it started double feeding at least once on every magazine and sending it to ruger for repairs, TWICE, did nothing to fix it (and neither did getting new magazines). and before "you must be holding it wrong" it didn't used to do it for the first 6 months or so that I had it, I don't have that issue with any other pistol I tried, and multiple instructors on the range had the same exact issue with it that i did. it did feel good when it was working. it just... stopped working.

I did hear good things about shield though and glock 19 is generally a good baseline. its not flashy, but its reliable and pleasant to shoot.

P.S. disclaimer. I personaly mainly use it for range shooting, though not recently. ammo costs and all. have never been shot and and hope to never be shot at or shoot anyone. I have seen couple of instructors conceal carry glock 19, so it can certainly work.

I can only speak for myself, but I have only had one Ruger fail over the past 30+ years of my dad and I owning them. I owned a Glock 30 for concealed carry, it is the only firearm I never felt safe carrying with a round in the chamber given its light trigger pull and lack of a safety.

[d00mGuArD]

Are you needing a new side arm for the armed forces or the police? Not sure what else you need a gun for. Oh wait

"Murica"

I am not in "Murica" but I own pistols (with shooting sports license) and hunting shotguns(with hunting license) in France and Greece perfectly legal. So this thread is of interest to people outside the states. Shocking eh

Fun fact: You can have legal weapons according to the European Firearms Directive in any country in EU (subject to each countries laws)

In fact you can own a weapon in almost any country on the planet

[crewskater]

Obviously you should shoot the gun before buying it. Some ranges let you rent their guns and you can test them there. I'd recommend this bad boy - http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-full/

[Twix]

get a mini uzi..

[Ghostpanther]

That depends on where I am hiking, or more correctly the wildlife I am most likely to encounter. Bear country would be .44 mag (or bigger) revolver. Elsewhere I use a lighter full size 9mm as 2 legged predators are just as likely to be an issue as 4 legged (or no legged) predators.

Good choices. Never shot a .44 Mag or the .500 revolvers. Bet the recoil on those puppies are noticeable. lol!

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get a mini uzi..

Actually, I would love to own one of the .45 caliber ( 30 round clip )Grease Gun sub compact machine gun I had to qualify with in the Army. lol! But that is not going to happen. Not just because they would be hard and expensive to get, but the very strict Federal restrictions for such.

[Svifnymr]

Actually, I would love to own one of the .45 caliber ( 30 round clip )Grease Gun sub compact machine gun I had to qualify with in the Army. lol! But that is not going to happen. Not just because they would be hard and expensive to get, but the very strict Federal restrictions for such.

I'd love a semi-auto clone of the M3 or a Sten that was a reasonable ($600ish) price, but not in the cards I guess. I saw a transferable uzi is over $12k now, can't even find a M3 with a casual search, so price is probably way up there now.

[hakujinbakasama]

I thought of two other options generally overlooked.

The FN FNS 9mm in full-size or Compact and the Steyr M9 also in full-size or Compact. Both are very reliable and affordable, generally under $450. The FN comes with 3 mags and great texturing. The trigger on the FNS is something I like quite a bit and am surprised it gets so little fanfare. The Steyr is also a serious gem with a good design behind it. The sights are a bit odd but some people like them a lot.

[Ghostpanther]

I'd love a semi-auto clone of the M3 or a Sten that was a reasonable ($600ish) price, but not in the cards I guess. I saw a transferable uzi is over $12k now, can't even find a M3 with a casual search, so price is probably way up there now.

Yeah, those also would be awesome to own. Expensive however, not something I would spend that kind of money for. I bet the M3 is up in the thousands now.

[Kellhound]

Good choices. Never shot a .44 Mag or the .500 revolvers. Bet the recoil on those puppies are noticeable. lol!

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Actually, I would love to own one of the .45 caliber ( 30 round clip )Grease Gun sub compact machine gun I had to qualify with in the Army. lol! But that is not going to happen. Not just because they would be hard and expensive to get, but the very strict Federal restrictions for such.

I had 2 .44 mags, and the recoil is.....stout to say the least. I would not say they were enjoyable and usually shot them with handloads that were on par with .44 Specials. I have never had the desire to touch off a .454 Casull or any of the larger caliber wheel guns, though if I was hiking Alaska I might step up to one....

[whywhatwhowhenhow]

Uzi 9mm

[Casterbridge]

I thought of two other options generally overlooked.

The FN FNS 9mm in full-size or Compact and the Steyr M9 also in full-size or Compact. Both are very reliable and affordable, generally under $450. The FN comes with 3 mags and great texturing. The trigger on the FNS is something I like quite a bit and am surprised it gets so little fanfare. The Steyr is also a serious gem with a good design behind it. The sights are a bit odd but some people like them a lot.

I was taking a look at the FN FNS a few people where saying some good things about it. Next time I'm at the range I might take a look at it again, confess I hadn't take any serious look at the Steyer.

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As someone who has a number of M&Ps, the 2.0 is a nice improvement over the original variations, particularly the 2.0 Compact over the old 9c (no ridiculously short grip.) The trigger is nicer, although still not as great as it could be. If you're looking to go the striker fired route again, I'd definitely recommend it, with one caveat though. Get an APEX trigger kit for it (hell get one for your older M&P and it'll totally blow your mind.) Although I will recommend practicing a bit with it before you decide to carry it, the APEX kit really changes the feel of firing it (besides being lighter, its much less spongey and cuts the take up in half, has a nice clean, almost sharp break.)

If you're looking to change up your game a bit and go hammer fired, the new Arex Rex Zero 1 Compact (yes I know its an incredibly long and tedious name) is really nice. I've got the full sized version and after firing the compact at the range a few weeks ago its definitely on my list. It feels great in hand, solid but not heavy, great stock trigger for a DA/SA, points really well and has a smooth recoil with minimal muzzle flip.

Just wanted to say since you were probably the 7th or 8th person that recommended I try out an APEX on my old M&P I went ahead and did it, the place I usually go to shoot has a in house gunsmith and sold the trigger kit and got it done in a few minutes.

The difference was pretty incredible, almost feels like a brand new gun. I now feel much less inclined to get a newer version of the M&P lol, and probably be looking at something a little different.

Did ask about the Arex, but doesn't seem like anyone local has seen one though a few of the more knowledgeable shooters I know have heard about it and said they had heard nothing but good things about it. Probably means I won't be looking at getting one though, as I would have to order it without ever even holding it and not something I'm particularly comfortable doing.

However I am taking a closer look at some other hammer fired pistols now.

[Ghostpanther]

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Just wanted to say since you were probably the 7th or 8th person that recommended I try out an APEX on my old M&P I went ahead and did it, the place I usually go to shoot has a in house gunsmith and sold the trigger kit and got it done in a few minutes.

The difference was pretty incredible, almost feels like a brand new gun. I now feel much less inclined to get a newer version of the M&P lol, and probably be looking at something a little different.

Did ask about the Arex, but doesn't seem like anyone local has seen one though a few of the more knowledgeable shooters I know have heard about it and said they had heard nothing but good things about it. Probably means I won't be looking at getting one though, as I would have to order it without ever even holding it and not something I'm particularly comfortable doing.

However I am taking a closer look at some other hammer fired pistols now.

If all you do is range shoot with it or use for home defense, the new trigger feel should be fine. But if it makes the trigger have a easier to pull action, I would be very careful with it if you decide to carry it. Like keep the chamber empty would be the safest thing to do. Even tho for self defense carry, I do not like that approach. Do not know a lot about the older MP, does it have a manual safety on it? But I am not familiar with that trigger kit also, so I may be concerned about nothing.

[Casterbridge]

If all you do is range shoot with it or use for home defense, the new trigger feel should be fine. But if it makes the trigger have a easier to pull action, I would be very careful with it if you decide to carry it. Like keep the chamber empty would be the safest thing to do. Even tho for self defense carry, I do not like that approach. Do not know a lot about the older MP, does it have a manual safety on it? But I am not familiar with that trigger kit also, so I may be concerned about nothing.

The M&P I have does not have a manual safety, however the trigger set came with two springs, one for carry and one for competition, so I got it set for the carry, which should be about a 5 pound pull (though if i'm being honest I personally haven't verified that, it's what it is supposed to be).

Its not my primary for a carry anyways, and till I'm a bit used to the new trigger wouldn't want to carry it regardless.

Though to be honest I rarely carry, place I work at it is very much not allowed, even with the CWP, only certain trips where I decide to bring anything.

[Tasttey]

Just wanted to say since you were probably the 7th or 8th person that recommended I try out an APEX on my old M&P I went ahead and did it, the place I usually go to shoot has a in house gunsmith and sold the trigger kit and got it done in a few minutes.

The difference was pretty incredible, almost feels like a brand new gun. I now feel much less inclined to get a newer version of the M&P lol, and probably be looking at something a little different.

Did ask about the Arex, but doesn't seem like anyone local has seen one though a few of the more knowledgeable shooters I know have heard about it and said they had heard nothing but good things about it. Probably means I won't be looking at getting one though, as I would have to order it without ever even holding it and not something I'm particularly comfortable doing.

I'm glad you're enjoying the APEX trigger swap, it does honestly make it feel like a new gun. Its probably one of my favorite things to show people at the range, just the massive difference a simple (and fairly cheap) change can make to an already decent pistol. Btw, since you opted for the carry spring, your pull weight should register about 5.2lbs (that's where mine normally break.)

Sucks you couldn't get your hands on the Arex though, they are a joy to shoot, however if they continue with the quality that they've shown with the Zero 1 I look forward to them becoming a more popular company.

[Ghostpanther]

The M&P I have does not have a manual safety, however the trigger set came with two springs, one for carry and one for competition, so I got it set for the carry, which should be about a 5 pound pull (though if i'm being honest I personally haven't verified that, it's what it is supposed to be).

Its not my primary for a carry anyways, and till I'm a bit used to the new trigger wouldn't want to carry it regardless.

Though to be honest I rarely carry, place I work at it is very much not allowed, even with the CWP, only certain trips where I decide to bring anything.

Another important thing to consider for conceal/carry is the trigger pull length. For example, my .357Mag revolver has a long trigger pull of 10 pounds in double action usage. In single action, with the hammer cocked, it is a short 3 pound pull. No way in hell would I carry that thing cocked, with the short and easy pull trigger. But since you said it is not your primary carry pistol and you rarely carry, then it should not be a issue. But something to keep in mind when and if you do carry it.