Assassin confirmed better than Sub

[Mamercus]

I don't have DFA issues on Argus so I dunno what you guys are talking about. You just have to be conscious about when you use it or just burn cloak to stay safe if the situation warrants it. Assassination might be pretty good during the add phase for multidotting but if you are assigned to an add sub is probably better. To minimize problems with downtime on sub just dump your energy before you sprint out. Assassination hasn't been fun for me to play since the addition of Toxic Blade so I will probably stay sub when we get to this boss.

In general by the time most guilds get to this the gear and trinkets will make most of the damage checks a non-issue.

[Deleted]

I don't have DFA issues on Argus so I dunno what you guys are talking about. You just have to be conscious about when you use it or just burn cloak to stay safe if the situation warrants it. Assassination might be pretty good during the add phase for multidotting but if you are assigned to an add sub is probably better. To minimize problems with downtime on sub just dump your energy before you sprint out. Assassination hasn't been fun for me to play since the addition of Toxic Blade so I will probably stay sub when we get to this boss.

In general by the time most guilds get to this the gear and trinkets will make most of the damage checks a non-issue.

DfA on kingaroth and you fly away, it can also ruin your crit window. its so fucking annoying.

[Zensunni]

DfA on kingaroth and you fly away, it can also ruin your crit window. its so fucking annoying.

DfA i just a problematic spell in general, but that being said I fucking love it and always will. What would be nice is if they found a way to make the DfA landing point on raid and dungeon bosses a little more sensible, even if it required special dev attention - it's a great skill that's satisfying to use, so I think it's worth the extra attention.

[Naiattavain]

too be honest i have not had time to play and im subtlety.

[Ichology]

Assassination is a decent spec on progress but a terrible spec on farm, it's been like this for a long time now.

What a terrible, uneducated post. Why bother even typing this out if you have no idea what you're talking about? People come to these forums for accurate information and help; not saying that there isn't a ton of bad information spread across the class forums, but still this stands out.

[glowpipe]

Well. If you want to play for dmg and high meters. You play a dps class. Rogue has been a support class for ages. They are brought because of utilites. not deeps

[Varolyn]

What a terrible, uneducated post. Why bother even typing this out if you have no idea what you're talking about? People come to these forums for accurate information and help; not saying that there isn't a ton of bad information spread across the class forums, but still this stands out.

Most top guilds have brought at least one assassination rogue in most final boss guilds. They are usually present in other boss kills as well. However, the spec tends to dip as the tier goes on. Hence, it's a good spec on progress but drops in rankings in farm (but it's farm, so how much does it matter?)

[shaunika123]

it's a bug when you are able to use shadowdance during the DFA animation. DFA itself is a two part ability and they've done their best to make sure other abilities are unable to be used during said animation.

TLDR: you are not supposed to be able to use shadow dance before DFA:Eviscerate lands. It's a bug.

the only thing you cant use is vanish, and even that's just dumb and was basically done because of a pvp cheese that isnt even relevant anymore.

you can use anything after DFA its not just dance. it's not a bug. it may not be an intended mechanic necessarily, but it's not a bug really.

Well. If you want to play for dmg and high meters. You play a dps class. Rogue has been a support class for ages. They are brought because of utilites. not deeps

"ages" as in the last 2 tiers?

[Deleted]

if you wanna give the assassin FoK meme spec a go, first of all get 75 traits, which is pretty easy these days.
then use the item restoration and restore all shadow/blood/iron relics that you got rid of in the past.
wep ilvl barely means anything in this spec, all that matters is good traits, especially the poison knife trait.
atm im using a 940 and 2 910 relics and my dmg is great!
the 2 910s got bis traits in all 3 rows, they are better than any kind of 970 that doesnt have the poison knife trait.

Edit: t21 4piece and good legos are pretty important aswell, shoulders, bracers, boots or head are all good.

[Nekroman]

Its had a name for years: ROFLcopter

[RobertoCarlos]

I confirm that you can play whatever spec you want in a raid that will last a year.

You're welcome.

[Deleted]

I think Sub Rogue is the only spec in the game, who needs to watch out every time he do his regular rotation (DFA), otherwise we can get killed or kill others.
Meanwhile everyone else can just continue clicking their spells off cooldown, whichever goes glowing first. Its so not fair... DFA is the worst spell ever made.

[Spiritvs]

if you wanna give the assassin FoK meme spec a go, first of all get 75 traits, which is pretty easy these days.
then use the item restoration and restore all shadow/blood/iron relics that you got rid of in the past.
wep ilvl barely means anything in this spec, all that matters is good traits, especially the poison knife trait.
atm im using a 940 and 2 910 relics and my dmg is great!
the 2 910s got bis traits in all 3 rows, they are better than any kind of 970 that doesnt have the poison knife trait.

Edit: t21 4piece and good legos are pretty important aswell, shoulders, bracers, boots or head are all good.

How many pk relics you using? The 3 of them?
Have 75 assassin weapon Will give this spec a try.

[RobertoCarlos]

I think Sub Rogue is the only spec in the game, who needs to watch out every time he do his regular rotation (DFA), otherwise we can get killed or kill others.
Meanwhile everyone else can just continue clicking their spells off cooldown, whichever goes glowing first. Its so not fair... DFA is the worst spell ever made.

they said the same thing about killing spree with combat now it sits on a talent row competing with alacrity rotting away not even being used.

Just dont use DFA on those risky fights, easy

[shaunika123]

they said the same thing about killing spree with combat now it sits on a talent row competing with alacrity rotting away not even being used.

Just dont use DFA on those risky fights, easy

and toss over a 100k dps out the window, you can't just realisitcally justify doing that.

[RobertoCarlos]

and toss over a 100k dps out the window

Well when the alternative is complaining on the forums in numbers so mother blizzard comes and takes away the toys completely it isnt ideal either.

[shaunika123]

Well when the alternative is complaining on the forums in numbers so mother blizzard comes and takes away the toys completely it isnt ideal either.

no the alternative is blizzard getting their shit together and properly code the ability for big hitboxes.

[RobertoCarlos]

no the alternative is blizzard getting their shit together and properly code the ability for big hitboxes.

I'm sorry its hard to hear you over the not so distant screams of the lost souls asking for vanish to be fixed after 12 years

[shaunika123]

I'm sorry its hard to hear you over the not so distant screams of the lost souls asking for vanish to be fixed after 12 years

dont compare vanish to DFA

vanish has had a beautifully gortesque evolution, year after year blizzard has found better and more fun ways to make it the same but somehow different buggy mess.

DFA got nothing on vanish

[Deleted]

How many pk relics you using? The 3 of them?
Have 75 assassin weapon Will give this spec a try.

yea i got 3 PK, 1MAss, 2 MAlch.
heres an illustration of how unimportant wep ilvl is, compared to bis traits:
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/rel...le-bracers-fok