Study Finds Reddit’s Controversial Ban of its Most Toxic Subreddits Actually Worked

[PosPosPos]

Yeah, I thought that at first you were just a bit unhinged, but now I know that you're already off the deep end. I'll refrain from replying to anything of yours after this because I'd rather not catch the ire of someone so unhinged that they can claim every utterance out of a persons mouth can be hate speech and can classify their ideological opponents as evil in such vehement terms. Please do get some help because people like you are the ones who end up on the news for something like shooting up a congressional baseball practice.

If anything, I should be more afraid of you, because I never know when I would be shot in the back because I tried to stop your ilk from diddling with children.

[The Penguin]

This is lunacy. You know that, right? You're ranting about obviously false things.

That isn't "liberalism". That's you being mean-spirited and not participating in good faith.

That's not lunacy. It's just not a opinion you agree with. Cope with it. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic or a Nazi.

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We get it, you hate freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and private property rights.

We get it. You have no intelligent counter argument so you have to engage in demagoguery and lies to sell it to the ignorant. Bray louder.

[Machismo]

Correct.


Incorrect analogy. I appreciate what you are trying to express but you analogy is an improper one for this scenario. Maybe I am wrong, but you are implying that Reddit removed a group of people who were actively posting in other threads and disrupting the platform. As objectively as possible; that does not reflect reality. In the same way millions of people play games every day and not a single one go on a killing spree inspired on a game, hundreds of thousands of shitlords shitpost some of the most vile things, but they keep it to themselves within their isolated "safe space." There is a very, very small percentage of people that engaged in brigading but we can be 100% sure that this is far from the majority because encouraging brigading, even from off the platform, is against site rules and gets the entire subreddit banned out right. There are countless examples of this; however to get subs like FPH removed, Reddit had to reinterpret its rules and change the terms of service completely to make the actions of the majority as illegal and out of bounds as the actions of the few.

To fix your bar analogy, you can use something along the lines of, "It would be like a bar owner kicking out assholes who don't seem to understand that Karaoke night is only on Tuesdays and it is rude to disrupt the band while playing." Of course, that is not what happened. To borrow your analogy including my modification, What happened was the bar decided that they will no longer have Karaoke Night because less than 5% of the people who regularly participated in Karaoke Night became rowdy and was disrupting other events on other nights.

Of course i doubt you will even understand what I am saying in. You probably think this is an argument and cognitive dissonance has long kicked in.



That is not what I think at all. You could easily ask me what I think but you think this is an argument so you rather take the path of least resistance and just assume that I am stupid and immoral. I typed this before reading the section below. Laughed out Loud when you brought up what you did. I guess my hypothesis is confirmed.



If the Christian Website was founded on the premise, "Anything is allowed on our site, even porn (though we must state that we do not approve of or agree with the porn. But we value free speech more than our specific subset of morals. As long as you don't post porn in the non porn areas, I guess it is worth the possible souls we can save." Then you are damn right that Christian website better allow me to post junkrat getting a reach around from balls deep roadhog.



I cannot convert this analogy because it has a fundamental misunderstanding which i believe to be the crux of your stated disagreement; I don't think the full story of this situation is analogous to your given hypothetical. A reply to this would implicitly validate it and that is not a risk i am willing to take.


Whats the point of this jeer? I believe that I have established that if the context were analogous to what I think it is (I choose this wording very carefully; I am okay with being wrong as long as i am shown that I am wrong and you can answer the most basic questions on the topic) that i would want the above to happen. What now? Are you going to suddenly say, "Well shucks. I guess you are right after-all"? Nah I think you will make up a new reason why I am wrong. You blew your "you're ignorant" load and "you're shameful. Shame!!!" card already. What comes next? The assumption that because I can clearly articulate my thoughts into the English language that I don't have a life? Or will you take the, "I know nothing of your values and morals but you are immoral because you disagree with me!" This will be an interesting read.

You think you are being clever with your examples but they demonstrate a core lack of understanding by you; a deep rooted, deep seeded misunderstanding that causes you to project your own paranoia into text and read from it "subtext" that does not actually exist.

I am okay if you make the assertion, "Reddit is free to make any choices it likes." However you are backing up that assertion with a strawman of an argument so it makes me question if you actually understand, or even care about what i have to say.

You misunderstood completely. Reddit is trying to get rid of the bad element in their establishment, they want them gone. I'll stick with my analogy. I'll stick with freedom of speech. I'll stick with private property rights.

Also, your attempts at passive aggression are adorable. As for me pointing out your hypocrisy, that's obvious. I asked you two questions, and if you like, I can ask them again. Should a Christian site be forced to advertise pornography on their site? I'll answer: Of course not. Should a restaurant be forced to serve someone who is yelling at customers and saying racist shit? I'll answer: Of course not. You seem to think it's a travesty that they would want to clean up their business.

You can try to "fix" my analogy all you like, but I'm standing by the original. It makes the entire argument against Reddit look pathetic. I love the analogy.

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That's not lunacy. It's just not a opinion you agree with. Cope with it. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic or a Nazi.

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We get it. You have no intelligent counter argument so you have to engage in demagoguery and lies to sell it to the ignorant. Bray louder.

I literally posted your quotes where you complained about those things. Would you like me to post them again?

[PosPosPos]

That's not lunacy. It's just not a opinion you agree with. Cope with it. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic or a Nazi.

Lunatics and Nazis are lunatics and Nazis. We just happen to disagree with these two types of people, not that people suddenly turn into sociopaths should they not get assent from the community.

Learn to take some of that personal responsibility you like to push on to everyone else, instead of trying to get everyone to stop calling your kind the horrors they are, stop being horrible humans.

[Endus]

That's not lunacy. It's just not a opinion you agree with. Cope with it. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic or a Nazi.

It is lunacy. You're projecting absolute impossibilities upon me. You're literally imagining things that cannot happen, and blaming me for those imaginary things.

I am? What is my premise? How do i feel about Reddit's actions?

You compared them to a science lab irresponsibly releasing an infectious disease. That was your analogy, which was without basis (nothing about Reddit's business model suggests they should be trying to control abusive users, rather than merely removing them and/or handing their information to the authorities, as needed), and which was hyperbole (comparing these abusive shitheads to some kind of infectious disease, when it's just a small number of dickheads being dickheads.)

It's all inherent in that specific analogy.

[Vynny]

The alternative is that Reddit tacitly endorses the use of its platform to organize campaigns of harassment and abuse against private citizens.

That's what was banned. Not "ideas" or "opinions". Coordinated programs of abuse. Why are you carrying water for that kind of nonsense?

I haven't defended people from those subreddits, nor have I given any support to them. In light of that, I have to ask you how I'm "carrying water" for them? What I'm doing is I'm critiquing the way in which reddit handled them. Reddit had these cesspools and wanted to deal with them, but rather than targeting those who broke their policy or challenging those in the subreddits they just pushed them to some other corner of the internet. It was a lazy move that kicked the can down the road for others to deal while also making reddit lose face by making themselves out to be censorious assholes.

[Deleted]

What they did is create an (safe?) environment where only those with the same views are allowed to post or share their views.

The segregation in the Western world is growing ever deeper.

[The Penguin]

It is lunacy. You're projecting absolute impossibilities upon me. You're literally imagining things that cannot happen, and blaming me for those imaginary things.

Except.. I didn't single you out for anything. Please take your infatuation and fantasies of self importance elsewhere.

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What they did is create an (safe?) environment where only those with the same views are allowed to post or share their views.

The segregation in the Western world is growing ever deeper.

Pretty much. It's not unlike the bubble of delusion Hitler surrounded himself in to be honest.

[Deleted]

Pretty much. It's not unlike the bubble of delusion Hitler surrounded himself in to be honest.

Exactly.

It doesnt even matter if a platform only allows left- or rightwing views. As soon as you only allow one side and ban everything else, you also risk creating an even extremer form of whatever you are trying to exclude, because these people arent involved anymore.

[The Penguin]

Exactly.

It doesnt even matter if a platform only allows left- or rightwing views. As soon as you only allow one side and ban everything else, you also risk creating an even extremer form of whatever you are trying to exclude, because these people arent involved anymore.

That's frankly why I take Endus and Skroe as two halves of the same coin. Both don't get it. They call common sense lunacy, because they lack the fundamental capability of grasping the fact that outside their little bubble, there may actually be another world called reality that most people dwell in. And if I haven't missed my guess, most of those people are about ready to bitch slap both sides of the argument and say: "The adults are back."

But then again that happens after you unjustly call someone a Nazi, Terrorist, or whatever the buzz word of the day is for 17+ years. George Bush and Barrack Obama exemplified it. Donald Trump destroyed it with completely irreverent, but also completely honest and for the most part candid talk. After 17 years of stupidity, it was a most welcome change. That's why Skroe is slavening for a impeachment like a rabies infected mongrel, and Endus and several other moderators asinine liberal bias caused this to be Google's "description" of the Website. Just do a search for MMO Champion via www.google.com and you get..

MMO-Champion

Website description:
MMO-Champion is a website that writes about topics such as Robert Mueller, Hillary Clinton, North Korea, and Republican Party.

Boub needs to seriously house-clean and return this site to what it originally was. A site for MMOs.

[Ryme]

Wasn't there a thread on this back in September when the article was written?

I seem to remember people talking about those users just going and creating their own platform instead.

Yeah, the thread realised how circular the study was then, too.

Toxic posts happen less when toxic subreddits are banned - shocking.

[Deleted]

Boub needs to seriously house-clean and return this site to what it originally was. A site for MMOs.

Too late, it's Neogaf 2.0.

[rda]

Exactly.

It doesnt even matter if a platform only allows left- or rightwing views. As soon as you only allow one side and ban everything else, you also risk creating an even extremer form of whatever you are trying to exclude, because these people arent involved anymore.

Yup.

There are plenty of radical sites that ban people for having wrong views left and right. They don't end well. See NeoGAF, for example.

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Too late, it's Neogaf 2.0.

I think you are being too harsh, there is a world of difference.

[Speaknoevil]

I like all the racists, sexists, non heteronormative-sexuality phobic people in here acting like them not having safe spaces to talk about how they wish they could kill, enslave, deport, force into concentration camps, rape, lobotomize and more is being shut down is a bad thing.

Kindly fuck off with your moral relativist arguments as well.

[rda]

I like all the racists, sexists, non heteronormative-sexuality phobic people in here acting like them not having safe spaces to talk about how they wish they could kill, enslave, deport, force into concentration camps, rape, lobotomize and more is being shut down is a bad thing.

Kindly fuck off with your moral relativist arguments as well.

It always starts with banning or silencing things that are relatively universally viewed as terrible (like, yeah, I agree that discussing how to do crime isn't cool). The problem is, that usually proceeds to banning things that are less and less universally terrible, and after some time you live in an artificial reality that doesn't really exist other than on your site.

[Deleted]

Censoring censors. You also made martyrs out of anyone you ban and you drive support to wards them from anyone who values free expression.

[Machismo]

You can open with, "You misunderstood" Then completely validate what you claim to be a misunderstanding. I am okay with you holding onto your invalid beliefs that are incapable of adequately predicting the future. I am not okay with you turning this into a dick measuring contest.



What this is, is proof that you didn't read what I typed at all. I answered both of your poorly thought out questions. I was clear in my answers, "I believe that this is the scenario taking place, so i would be okay with those analogies if these prerequisites are true." Go back ans actually read what you are replying to. Or at least gain the intelligence to predict what I typed before you make yourself look like an illiterate fool on MMO-C of all places.

Again: I am not saying you are illiterate because you disagree. I am saying that you are illiterate because you actually literally did not read 3 paragraphs of text that described the scenario in which i would believe those examples to be true.

P:S This shit here:


You need to fuck off with that. Don't ask for my opinion then attempt to answer for me. I don't give a shit about your morals; don't try to project your shallow, nonfunctional morals onto me.

You know that statement, "Never argue with an Idiot." Stop and think to yourself, "Which of us is the Idiot oversimplifying complex issues". I ask that to myself every single time i post.

Like I said, I think the passive aggression is adorable. I'd hope you would have noticed that I was mocking you with what I did, I guess it was too subtle.

Your answer to the questions was to not answer the questions, and deflect.

I answered my own questions, to show that I'm willing to be honest and direct. You avoided them like the plague. I'll try again. Let's see if you are going to trya nd deflect once again:

How about a restaurant, should we get pissed if a restaurant kicks out a customer who screams at all the other customers, and starts spouting off racist shit?

It pleases me that you want to force a Christian website to advertise pornography against their will. It shows you are opposed to free expression and private property rights... sad!

I love it. You "free speech warriors" are opposing free speech. The hypocrisy is quite entertaining.

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Censoring censors. You also made martyrs out of anyone you ban and you drive support to wards them from anyone who values free expression.

Don't you believe in the free expression of Reddit, and their freedom to run their company how they see fit? Let me know when you realize you are the one who is actually against free expression.

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It always starts with banning or silencing things that are relatively universally viewed as terrible (like, yeah, I agree that discussing how to do crime isn't cool). The problem is, that usually proceeds to banning things that are less and less universally terrible, and after some time you live in an artificial reality that doesn't really exist other than on your site.

Would you be this upset if a Christian website refused to advertise pornography? How about if a restaurant refused to serve a customer who was yelling at the other customers and spouting off racist bullshit?

[prwraith]

I never liked reddit imo. Traditional forums work fine. There's no need for a site that hiveminds and downvotes whatever they don't agree with so it can't be read

[Moralgy]

Random question, how open were these sub-reddits to discussion and different opinions? I know places like the_donald bans anyone that sounds mildly "liberal" these days.

[Machismo]

The only time you'll ever see a liberal defend a free market ideal is when it's used to regulate something. Pretty typical.

And here we see conservatives arguing against the free market, free expression, and private property rights. Pretty typical.

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Random question, how open were these sub-reddits to discussion and different opinions? I know places like the_donald bans anyone that sounds mildly "liberal" these days.

It's almost as if their calls for "free speech" are completely full of shit.

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That's frankly why I take Endus and Skroe as two halves of the same coin. Both don't get it. They call common sense lunacy, because they lack the fundamental capability of grasping the fact that outside their little bubble, there may actually be another world called reality that most people dwell in. And if I haven't missed my guess, most of those people are about ready to bitch slap both sides of the argument and say: "The adults are back."

But then again that happens after you unjustly call someone a Nazi, Terrorist, or whatever the buzz word of the day is for 17+ years. George Bush and Barrack Obama exemplified it. Donald Trump destroyed it with completely irreverent, but also completely honest and for the most part candid talk. After 17 years of stupidity, it was a most welcome change. That's why Skroe is slavening for a impeachment like a rabies infected mongrel, and Endus and several other moderators asinine liberal bias caused this to be Google's "description" of the Website. Just do a search for MMO Champion via www.google.com and you get..



Boub needs to seriously house-clean and return this site to what it originally was. A site for MMOs.

What you call common sense, we call authoritarian desires to limit free speech, freedom of the press, and private property rights.

As for Trump's "honesty," please... the guy has been caught in quite a lot of lies:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-is-worse.html

I dare you to find me a President who has lied more than Trump.