1. #15841
    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    I agree that having Frieza come back from the dead only to have him do nothing interesting and/or important would be a monumental waste of a character, and that's why I feel it's the most likely outcome :\
    He saved goku twice
    Fought next to and with vegeta agaisnt others
    Helped Gohan toughen up
    Eliminated frost.

    Frezzia has done alot as char dev especially for frezzia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor With a Saber View Post
    He saved goku twice
    Fought next to and with vegeta agaisnt others
    Helped Gohan toughen up
    Eliminated frost.

    Frezzia has done alot as char dev especially for frezzia
    He means in the context of Freeza having some kind of plan or scheme to benefit himself. Freeza didn't agree to all this out of the kindness of his heart or even to avoid erasure - he's been plotting since he was revived, about 'manipulating the gods' and so forth.

    If nothing comes of that, what was even the point of reviving someone as significant as Freeza? You might as well have brought Yamcha or had Buu stay awake and just written the ToP a little differently. Freeza's ultimate scheme has to be amazing to justify having him there at all.

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    Something tells me Jiren wants Goku to become stronger in his UI form and let him regain his energy and thus ignoring Belmods orders because seriously if Jiren wanted to knock him off he would have already done it and for some reason hes letting it unfold.

    I do think everyone except Goku and Jiren will remain.
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    I dont get the part , he transform in full power super saiyan blue , did he magical master Blue during this tournament out of desperation like his UI transformation or all this time he didnt use his full blue power, not sure which one is worst, this is getting old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    He means in the context of Freeza having some kind of plan or scheme to benefit himself. Freeza didn't agree to all this out of the kindness of his heart or even to avoid erasure - he's been plotting since he was revived, about 'manipulating the gods' and so forth.

    If nothing comes of that, what was even the point of reviving someone as significant as Freeza? You might as well have brought Yamcha or had Buu stay awake and just written the ToP a little differently. Freeza's ultimate scheme has to be amazing to justify having him there at all.
    Or Cell like EVERYONE wanted.

  6. #15846
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelix1 View Post
    I dont get the part , he transform in full power super saiyan blue , did he magical master Blue during this tournament out of desperation like his UI transformation or all this time he didnt use his full blue power, not sure which one is worst, this is getting old
    We know the writers kiss Goku's butt relentlessly, so it wouldn't susurprise me at all if they let Goku magically showcase two upgrades he just happened to obtain during the tournament for no other reason than being Goku.

  7. #15847
    Quote Originally Posted by Frogguh View Post
    We know the writers kiss Goku's butt relentlessly, so it wouldn't susurprise me at all if they let Goku magically showcase two upgrades he just happened to obtain during the tournament for no other reason than being Goku.
    They already did that. First was SSBKKx20 2nd was UI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogguh View Post
    We know the writers kiss Goku's butt relentlessly, so it wouldn't susurprise me at all if they let Goku magically showcase two upgrades he just happened to obtain during the tournament for no other reason than being Goku.
    Sorry but last time i checked Goku is the main protagonist so how are they kissing Goku's ass?
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  9. #15849
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelix1 View Post
    I dont get the part , he transform in full power super saiyan blue , did he magical master Blue during this tournament out of desperation like his UI transformation or all this time he didnt use his full blue power, not sure which one is worst, this is getting old
    he did it in the manga against Zamasu because reasons.

    it seems its the same thing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vestig3 View Post
    Sorry but last time i checked Goku is the main protagonist so how are they kissing Goku's ass?
    well, he got UI through the Spirit Bomb.

    if he gets mastered SSJB because reasons like in the manga, that's like having 2 upgrades in such a short time.

    SSJBKx20 wasn't a surprise because it passed, like, more than a year since x10 so he could have easily mastered SSJBKx20 which didn't help at all.
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  10. #15850
    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    Or Cell like EVERYONE wanted.
    It's possible that with Cell being artificially created he may not have had a soul to bring back. We've never seen Shenron bring back beings that weren't born.

    Freiza has been rather disappointing. He's done about as much as Piccolo did.

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  11. #15851
    I was hoping for Frieza vs Toppo which would make the most sense, power level wise.

    I would put 17 against Dyspo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    I was hoping for Frieza vs Toppo which would make the most sense, power level wise.

    I would put 17 against Dyspo.
    Agree, i would prefer something like

    Dyspo vs Gohan/17=Gohan use his intelligence to figure out a weakness in Dyspo speed but 17 get eliminated

    Toppo Vs Frieza= Toppo defeat Frieza but is weakened by Frieza so we have a good explanation why Gohan will eliminate him and remain in tournament without Gohan power up look bad

    Gohan/Vegeta/Goku vs Jiren= Gohan get eliminated and Goku/Vegeta get beat up really bad and are force to use fusion and the finall battle will be a UI Vegito vs UI Jiren (and we find out why Jiren is so powerful)

  13. #15853
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelix1 View Post
    Agree, i would prefer something like

    Dyspo vs Gohan/17=Gohan use his intelligence to figure out a weakness in Dyspo speed but 17 get eliminated

    Toppo Vs Frieza= Toppo defeat Frieza but is weakened by Frieza so we have a good explanation why Gohan will eliminate him and remain in tournament without Gohan power up look bad

    Gohan/Vegeta/Goku vs Jiren= Gohan get eliminated and Goku/Vegeta get beat up really bad and are force to use fusion and the finall battle will be a UI Vegito vs UI Jiren (and we find out why Jiren is so powerful)
    yeah.

    but damn, the fight's will be intense.

    like, Goku and Vegeta getting clobbered like no tomorrow, Dyspo blitzing Frieza, 17 and Gohan vs Toppo.

    too bad that there is no episode today

    while I don't like mastered SSJB, I wonder how will they animate it (if mastered SSJB will be a thing).

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    there is a preview image of Gohan firing Kamehameha, Vegeta being damaged, Goku and Jiren giving a serious stare.

  14. #15854
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I didn't.
    same

    People seem to be working off the basis that what you read in this post above, in the image, is what was then assumed in the above post. In no way does what you read above state it's a mastered form of SSJB. It literally only says that he's back to full power and he goes SSJB.

    All that means is that he's done recuperating and gathering stamina and is back to being fighting fit (in terms of being able to fight Jiren, not the randoms) and that he goes SSJB.

    People need to stop making silly assumptions and then just running with them.

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    Also, some screen caps from the next episode.
    that's true but it makes no sense because they worded it like its a big thing.

    he already got stomped when he was fully powered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
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    Oh come on, you're telling me that when the concept of reviving someone to help with the Dragon Balls, your mind didn't immediately jump to Cell? He likes tournaments and isn't completely evil (sociopath compared to Frieza's psychopath). He woulda been PERFECT! get it?

  16. #15856
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    It is a big thing, though. The last load of episodes have literally been about the other universe 7 folks dealing with the other random fighters. Goku, being the strongest, was obviously a target so had to get involved to some extent but, even then, he wasn't fully involved. The most he did was against the last guy where they couldn't have done it without him. The most he's done is fire off a Kamehameha or two. Everyone else has done the real fighting. Now, Goku's back to being "energised" and can see about starting the fight with the super awesome tough guy that everyone wants to see happen.

    Short version; they worded it like that because it's Goku fighting Jiren again. Literally what people want to see. Also, it's their job to make things seem like they're big deals and hype them up
    true.

    but who knows, maybe they give him mastered SSJB.

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    Cell is honestly one of the less memorable major Dragon Ball villains. Freeza had a much greater impact on the whole narrative and most of the other major villains became good guys so they're still around.

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    shame no episode this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Perhaps that could be an issue with SS3 in of itself. It forces the user to expend so much energy that the user almost goes through a small mutation, (see Goku with the added hair and his brow changing) and with Trunks/Goten unable to do it on their own normally it could be even more of a chore on the fusion. Of course then that would toss out the theory on it being a physical limit on the two being fused, or perhaps supports it further.

    With their fusion capable of hitting it the fusion itself runs through its own energies at a far higher speed than say something like SSB does. This postulating doesn't help much though with so little information about the various transformations and what they do. The fans have to create their own hypotheses thanks to the lack of information.
    Though GT isn't canon it was the same thing with Gogeta, at SS4 the fusion only lasted for 5 minutes, and SS4 is more powerful and efficient than 3.

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