Swatting results in death of innocent man, Kansas.

[Deletedaccount1]

People get too opinionated before they get all the facts. Instantly saying charges should be pressed against one person and not another when they weren't even there and don't know the whole story. Legal officials and law enforcement know how to handle situations like these better than random people on a World of Warcraft forum.

[Gaaz]

you are just pulling shit out of your ass. swatters have already gotten jail time and the kid has a record.

I assume you have a specific case in mind? Because other than the 72 hours arrest I can see no other possible sentence involving jail time for the kid. Also, regarding his record, was he already charged with making other calls? Because without repeat and proven offence in the court of law, nothing is going to stick. If the kid is an actual kid (underage), then even with a prior record he is not going to get a jail time. Kind of like that:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...wo-days-679773
756 prank calls in TWO days: Teenager spared jail for hoax 999 calls over Christmas and Boxing Day

She was eventually given 4 months of light sec prison, but only because of sheer number calls and the fact that she was serving a suspended sentence already due to a racial hate crime.

[skitzin]

No, they called the cops without expecting someone to get killed. That should have been off the table from the start. One simply does not expect police to go in guns blazing in random apartments, without even checking if the threat is real. How many calls do police get about suspicious packages, people (that resemble a classic muslim terrorist), screams and shots in an apartment upstairs (that turn out to be video games or loud TV)? Do you propose jailing everyone who calls the police if they go trigger happy?

Justice systems almost everywhere in the world separate criminal intent from public mischief charges. In rare cases charges regarding harassment can be filed, if you can prove that their call resulted in damage to your business. This system did not occur spontaneously. It is there and is like that for a reason.
The cop bears 100% of the criminal charge. The prankster is guilty of an administrative offence. All you can do with an administrative offence is give a fine. But the fine can be very severe. And you should use that. If I remember correctly, one of the states in the US has a special clause for dealing with prank calls.
In any case - jailing is out of the question, unless a criminal intent is found. Criminal negligence charges will not stick either.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

First off, the prankster did not call the police with a bomb threat or something else benign.

He called claiming to have shot and killed a person, had other hostages and claimed to have doused the house in petrol was debating setting it on fire whilst verballing refusing to disarm on the 911 call. He literally esculated the response as high as he could think to get it.

Secondly, in this day and age of information, you cannot claim ignorance of the outcome we see here. An armed response from police always, let me repeat that ALWAYS, comes with a chance of someone being shot. By calling the police, setting a disturbing situation up as the scene and having an armed response sent to that address the prankster has knowly put someone's life at risk.

Thirdly, swatters in other cases in the US have already gotten jail time. A person called Jason Allen Neff got 5 years in US Federal Prison for his swatting. Another got over a year. So yes he will be facing prison in this case. What makes his case even worse is that he is the first to actually get someone killed by swatting. Effectively murder/manslaugter by proxy. You can bet that he will be facing charges with serious jail time for that.

Saying he never intended for that to happen is not a defence given the damage he has caused. If the head of the axe I am using accidentally flies off and clocks some poor bugger in the head and they die I am still at fault for that despite it not being my intention.

[The Oblivion]

I assume you have a specific case in mind? Because other than the 72 hours arrest I can see no other possible sentence involving jail time for the kid. Also, regarding his record, was he already charged with making other calls? Because without repeat and proven offence in the court of law, nothing is going to stick. If the kid is an actual kid (underage), then even with a prior record he is not going to get a jail time.

he is 25 and "was arrested in October 2015 and charged with making two bomb threats to ABC7 (KABC-TV). The first one happened on September 30, 2015, when the channel's studios in Glendale, California, were evacuated and searched by police."

also just google swatter jail time, theres plenty of cases already. in CA particular they can go for felony murder. Death penalty.

in addition, you are just making shit up. first time offenders HAVE gotten jail time. Just because you cant "see" something happening, doesnt mean you should just make random shit up.

[callipygoustp]

Just because some innocent father was killed doesn't mean the "swatter" should be held responsible for his actions that contributed to that result.

[PogChamp]

the idiotic children were complicit, but the murder that happened here was done by a police officer, and i hope he ends up in jail for what he did.

stop getting emotional and blaming the kids, they were complicit as i said, but they didn't intend for any real harm to come and they didn't pull the trigger.

[skitzin]

I assume you have a specific case in mind? Because other than the 72 hours arrest I can see no other possible sentence involving jail time for the kid. Also, regarding his record, was he already charged with making other calls? Because without repeat and proven offence in the court of law, nothing is going to stick. If the kid is an actual kid (underage), then even with a prior record he is not going to get a jail time.

There are plenty of cases, just go Google them. The thing is that when they get these people they get hit with all sorts of charges you wouldn't think of.

Just the manner of how he made the phone call, in this case, could get him prison.
Threatening to kill someone? That's another charge. For several people?
That's multiple counts of that charge.
Forced to pay the police tens of thousands of dollars in restitution? That can be jail time if you don't have the money.
Did he work another person? Conspiracy. In fact the some of the more common phrases used in the charging of such individuals are: "Conspiracy to retaliate against a witness, victim or informant" and "Conspiracy to commit access device fraud and unauthorized access of a protected computer".

The list goes on and on.

The fact that a person has now died you can bet there will be an escalation in charges.

[The Oblivion]

the idiotic children were complicit, but the murder that happened here was done by a police officer, and i hope he ends up in jail for what he did.

stop getting emotional and blaming the kids, they were complicit as i said, but they didn't intend for any real harm to come and they didn't pull the trigger.

yeah might as well just making ordering hits on people legal. the kids are 100% FULLY responsible and i hope CA throws the available death penalty at them.

[ManiaCCC]

People get too opinionated before they get all the facts. Instantly saying charges should be pressed against one person and not another when they weren't even there and don't know the whole story. Legal officials and law enforcement know how to handle situations like these better than random people on a World of Warcraft forum.

To be fair, in murica, there is more than enough evidence, that police is handling quite a lot situations very "badly".

[suprep]

Just because some innocent father was killed doesn't mean the "swatter" should be held responsible for his actions that contributed to that result.

Sure, but I'd still say 5-10 years jail time to get them to learn not to mess around (and this goes for anyone making fake calls, regardless of outcome).

[Deletedaccount1]

To be fair, in murica, there is more than enough evidence, that police is handling quite a lot situations very "badly".

It usually gets dealt with when it does go wrong. You need to keep things in perspective, police usually do their job fine most of the time and in this situation they were wrongly informed of a very serious situation. Discouraging the police as an institution is not smart considering how American cities are actually underpoliced.

[bewbew]

It's amazing how you need cops to be assertive, they pussy around, but when they randomly show up and you go check up the noise, they are trigger happy and ready to do shit.

Last year, a neighbour's apartment was stormed by Federal Police. I live in a block with small, old apartament buildings with some green area around. My kitchen window is directly connected to the common area with the grass and the walkway to reach the building. At 5h30 in the morning, my mother heard a commotion outside, went to check it and police were literally RUNNING OVER towards the door and the window, weapons charged, which terrified her.

People who are just doing their stuff and hear noises will automatically check it and be on the defensive. It's their natural behavior. That some cop decided that was a situation in which he should fire at someone is ridiculous; it's even worse to know that's how police many times operate.

Brazil has very strict gun laws but I got my permit last year. If I hear a commotion outside and feel people are storming my building (as it happened before), I'm probably going to check it armed.

When we have actual bad things happening, Police usually takes 30 minutes to show up, turn on some flash lights, look at the common area from outside the gates and peace out. Absolutly not reliable.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Hang both the cop and the asshole on the internet that called in that murder squad.

[Gaaz]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

First off, the prankster did not call the police with a bomb threat or something else benign.

He called claiming to have shot and killed a person, had other hostages and claimed to have doused the house in petrol was debating setting it on fire whilst verballing refusing to disarm on the 911 call. He literally esculated the response as high as he could think to get it.

Secondly, in this day and age of information, you cannot claim ignorance of the outcome we see here. An armed response from police always, let me repeat that ALWAYS, comes with a chance of someone being shot. By calling the police, setting a disturbing situation up as the scene and having an armed response sent to that address the prankster has knowly put someone's life at risk.

Thirdly, swatters in other cases in the US have already gotten jail time. A person called Jason Allen Neff got 5 years in US Federal Prison for his swatting. Another got over a year. So yes he will be facing prison in this case. What makes his case even worse is that he is the first to actually get someone killed by swatting. Effectively murder/manslaugter by proxy. You can bet that he will be facing charges with serious jail time for that.

Saying he never intended for that to happen is not a defence given the damage he has caused. If the head of the axe I am using accidentally flies off and clocks some poor bugger in the head and they die I am still at fault for that despite it not being my intention.

I think it is you who has no clue what you are talking about. Jason Allen Neff was sentenced to 5 years for:
- Resisting arrest (fleeing to avoid capture to another state while under indicament)
- Armed resistance to arrest (he was waiving a weapon at the cops who tried to arrest him)
- hiding evidence of criminal activities from the FBI and preventing justice (regarding other people)

he is 25 and "was arrested in October 2015 and charged with making two bomb threats to ABC7 (KABC-TV). The first one happened on September 30, 2015, when the channel's studios in Glendale, California, were evacuated and searched by police."

also just google swatter jail time, theres plenty of cases already. in CA particular they can go for felony murder. Death penalty.

in addition, you are just making shit up. first time offenders HAVE gotten jail time. Just because you cant "see" something happening, doesnt mean you should just make random shit up.

I get that you are obsessed with shit for some reason, but that is the only constructive thing I see in your post. Could you please provide a case when a SWATTer got sentenced to jail time for actual SWATTing, not other charges? Because I am yet to see one. Anywhere I look, the charges involve either illegal weapons, armed resistance to arrest, child pornography, etc...

[Firatha]

He called claiming to have shot and killed a person, had other hostages and claimed to have doused the house in petrol was debating setting it on fire whilst verballing refusing to disarm on the 911 call. He literally esculated the response as high as he could think to get it.

I agree with you here they cops got caught up in a fucked up situation there is no way the swater did not want someone to get hurt saying what he said in the 911 call, and I love how all you worthless scum go right to the cops and murderers line when the cops knocked on that door thinking the person inside have just killed someone and had hostages 90% of you fucking people make me sick

Hang both the cop and the asshole on the internet that called in that murder squad.

Go hang yourself you excuse for a human being.

infracted - major flaming

[Cosmic Janitor]

Go hang yourself you excuse for a human being.

Nope, people that tolerate these deaths need to be hanged, so you.

infracted - major flaming

[Firatha]

Nope, people that tolerate these deaths need to be hanged, so you.

Did you not even read the situation that they were placed in or are just to fucking dumb to understand it?

[bewbew]

Did you not even read the situation that they were placed in or are just to fucking dumb to understand it?

You are justifying their actions when even at first glance the story was full of holes.

The call, allegdly, is the own murder saying his own adress, ASKING THE PERSON ON THE CALL IF THEY HAVE THE ADRESS RIGHT and describing the house, which didn't match at all with the call in the adress he provided.

If that didn't ring any bells with the police, it's even more reason to question their actions.

Why the hell would the police not check if the call is coming from the adress provided?

[Devilyaki]

The cop is a victim in this as well, given highly wrong info that a killed and hostage taker is there only to be pranked by so ass hole kid. Makes me sick the stupidity of some to blame the cop. What would you do? Told someone taken an hostage and killed someone already, you believe you have the drop on them with a clear shot and hostage in the clear of the shot. The swat are not there to play around, the murder here are the ones calling in fake shit like this.

[skitzin]

I think it is you who has no clue what you are talking about. Jason Allen Neff was sentenced to 5 years for:
- Resisting arrest (fleeing to avoid capture to another state while under indicament)
- Armed resistance to arrest (he was waiving a weapon at the cops who tried to arrest him)
- hiding evidence of criminal activities from the FBI and preventing justice (regarding other people)

My point, which unsurprisingly you missed, is that these activities do fall under various breaches of the law. There is not a charge called "swatting" which is what you seem to be wanting. The charges often are some form of conspiracy on the charge sheet.

Point is that regardless of the names used for the charges the action of "swatting" is a punishable offence in many cases.

So stop with this bullshit talk around there being no consequences for the person who made the call to the police because there is and we have documented evidence all over the internet to support this.