[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Zeta333]

No not really tbh

Yeah I mean whatever floats your boat and all that. I mean bravo for wanting to be a dick I guess.

Not liking the popular thing doesnt make me a dick.

[tyrlaan]

Not liking the popular thing doesnt make me a dick.

No, of course not. Your attitude I've seen thus far in this thread on the other hand...

[Tackhisis]

The concept of movie credits is new for you?

I'm not aware of the method of finding characters which haven't been given any name in the credits. Why can't you just accept there is no way to know the "Mon Mothma" character exists at all from the movies alone?

That's somekind of xenophobia you are now presenting?

There is no plausible reason why there are still different races of the same species in the society spanning planets and galaxies. The only reason for it to be present in such a film is the rampant racism and apartheid in the USA, with their tradition for the token diversity. That is ridiculous for any viewer outside of the USA. There are even people in the USA who think there should be token diversity in the Witcher(!).

[caervek]

Also, the hyperspace ram was actually pretty bad despite looking cool.

Indeed, it's cringeworthy that they expect us to believe that nobody in all of recorded history had ever thought to do that before lol.

I.E "our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" - Okay, have one ram the death star at lightspeed, that will destroy it, In fact as you have more cruisers than they have star destroyers have everyone ram something (your gonna die in this trap anyway), then you guarantee the fall of the Empire and a victory.

[Zeta333]

Indeed, it's cringeworthy that they expect us to believe that nobody in all of recorded history had ever thought to do that before lol.

I.E "our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" - Okay, have one ram the death star at lightspeed, that will destroy it, In fact as you have more cruisers than they have star destroyers have everyone ram something (your gonna die in this trap anyway), then you guarantee the fall of the Empire and a victory.

Cruisers cant repel firepower of that magnitude, yet one that is smaller than those present at endor are able to hold off a SSD and a handfull of escort SSD, and outspeed them oh and by the way, not have a holocom to contact thier allies but somehow it did have one that they contacted the alien from the first movie?

[Deleted]

I'm not aware of the method of finding characters which haven't been given any name in the credits. Why can't you just accept there is no way to know the "Mon Mothma" character exists at all from the movies alone?

So the concept of movie credits is new for you. Because every Star Wars fan knows about Mon Mothma and her absolute importance for the Rebel Alliance since 1983 and somehow it completely escaped you.

It's not like she didn't appeared in the prequels:



The Clone Wars:



Rogue One:



And Star Wars Rebels:

[Tackhisis]

...every Star Wars fan knows about Mon Mothma and her absolute importance for the Rebel Alliance since 1983

As I said, I'm not a fan. And if her character is "absolutely important", why it is never given a name?

It's not like she didn't appeared in the prequels ... Rogue One

Where it is never ever called by any name too.

[tyrlaan]

There is no plausible reason why there are still different races of the same species in the society spanning planets and galaxies. The only reason for it to be present in such a film is the rampant racism and apartheid in the USA, with their tradition for the token diversity. That is ridiculous for any viewer outside of the USA. There are even people in the USA who think there should be token diversity in the Witcher(!).

I'm losing brain cells trying to wrap my head around this comment.

Of course there's a plausible reason. If the population that existed on earth today started colonizing the galaxy, would we suddenly be just white people? Why is it so ridiculous to assume the same premise holds in SW?

So the US is the only country with non-white people in it?

[Zeta333]

I'm not aware of the method of finding characters which haven't been given any name in the credits. Why can't you just accept there is no way to know the "Mon Mothma" character exists at all from the movies alone?
There is no plausible reason why there are still different races of the same species in the society spanning planets and galaxies. The only reason for it to be present in such a film is the rampant racism and apartheid in the USA, with their tradition for the token diversity. That is ridiculous for any viewer outside of the USA. There are even people in the USA who think there should be token diversity in the Witcher(!).

Thats not how genetics work at all. First of all different enviroments breed differences in pigments. The same way that asians living where they did brought up the genetic difference from say humans in europe or the middle east or the african plains. Now imagine biomes the size of entire planets. Or imagine groups of different races banding together when they colonize somewhere. Also keep in mind earth has nothing to do with star wars. Its not from its past or in its future. Its a different galaxy.

[Shadowferal]

My biggest gripe is that this movie really trashed any sense of how I see "Star Wars."
I will not be looking forward to any further movies of this ilk.

[GoodUsername55]

My biggest gripe is that this movie really trashed any sense of how I see "Star Wars."
I will not be looking forward to any further movies of this ilk.

Rian Johnson pretty much said "fuck you" to anyone who said 7 was too similar.

[Aurrora]

Rian Johnson pretty much said "fuck you" to anyone who said 7 was too similar.

A story about:

A force user that needs training and a reluctant jedi master.
A group attempting to escape the clutches of an evil military that's hunting them down.
A dark side force user that would actually rather convert the protagonist force user to his side instead of killing them.
The Millennium Falcon swoops in at the last minute to escape with the protagonist(s)

It's a copy of V the same way that VII is a copy of IV if you abstract it.

[Snuffleupagus]

A story about:

A force user that needs training and a reluctant jedi master.
A group attempting to escape the clutches of an evil military that's hunting them down.
A dark side force user that would actually rather convert the protagonist force user to his side instead of killing them.
The Millennium Falcon swoops in at the last minute to escape with the protagonist(s)

It's a copy of V the same way that VII is a copy of IV if you abstract it.

Sure, but you could make that comparison with a lot of movies if you abstract far enough.

As it stands, this is pretty far from a Star Wars movie.

[Shadowferal]

Maybe if the Force user actually had training...

[Sunseeker]

Sure, but you could make that comparison with a lot of movies if you abstract far enough.

As it stands, this is pretty far from a Star Wars movie.

Lolwut? It's like 100% the story of Star Wars in every freaking Jedi/Sith centric work ever created.

Good guy force user fights bad guy force user.
Needs to go get more training.
Good guy force user fights bad guy force user again.
Good guy gets tempted by the dark side.
There are a bunch of non-force-users here too don't forget about us!

Like seriously? Evil empire taking over the galaxy, led by an evil force user, with a powerful force user enforcer, resisted by a rag-tag group of randos with a good force user in their ranks? Like fuck what Star Wars movie isn't that?

[Shadowferal]

...but Rey hasn't had any training.
At this point, the "Resistance" might as well just toss her at the Empire since she can obviously do everything to beat them without needing anyone's help at all.

[Snuffleupagus]

Lolwut? It's like 100% the story of Star Wars in every freaking Jedi/Sith centric work ever created.

Good guy force user fights bad guy force user.
Needs to go get more training.
Good guy force user fights bad guy force user again.
Good guy gets tempted by the dark side.
There are a bunch of non-force-users here too don't forget about us!

Like seriously? Evil empire taking over the galaxy, led by an evil force user, with a powerful force user enforcer, resisted by a rag-tag group of randos with a good force user in their ranks? Like fuck what Star Wars movie isn't that?

Star Wars also has certain character dynamics and tone, which is why the prequels are so panned. The Last Jedi is almost a step back to the prequels.

The fact that they treated Yoda the way they did makes me doubt they even watched Empire.

[Sunseeker]

Star Wars also has certain character dynamics and tone, which is why the prequels are so panned. The Last Jedi is almost a step back to the prequels.

The fact that they treated Yoda the way they did makes me doubt they even watched Empire.

Certain character dynamics such as....
Certain tone such as....

You can't really say "They did this wrong!" if you're not even going to specify how it's wrong.

And what, Yoda being a little green troll while still managing to impart widsom to Luke? That's like, 100% what he did in Empire. Shit he made Luke run around with him as a backpack!

[Shadowferal]

Star Wars also has certain character dynamics and tone, which is why the prequels are so panned. The Last Jedi is almost a step back to the prequels. The fact that they treated Yoda the way they did makes me doubt they even watched Empire.

I can find something to like about the prequels...(Darth Maul, Jango Fett, and his fight with Kenobi, for a couple of examples)
Which is more than I can say about "The Last Jedi."

[Nefarious Tea]

Indeed, it's cringeworthy that they expect us to believe that nobody in all of recorded history had ever thought to do that before lol.

I.E "our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" - Okay, have one ram the death star at lightspeed, that will destroy it, In fact as you have more cruisers than they have star destroyers have everyone ram something (your gonna die in this trap anyway), then you guarantee the fall of the Empire and a victory.

Except they can't. You're not wrong, I am 250% sure that at some point in the Star Wars in-universe history it was a common suicide tactic. It HAD to have been, or they wouldn't have developed technology to guard against it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Inter...estroyer/Canon

The technology exists to create mass shadows which prevent hyperspace jumps, nominally to stop ships from escaping Imperial forces but most likely originally developed for this exact reason. The only reason Holdo even managed to do it in this movie is that Hux is a moron who had literally no idea what she was doing with the Raddus until it was far too late to stop her.

Cruisers cant repel firepower of that magnitude, yet one that is smaller than those present at endor are able to hold off a SSD and a handfull of escort SSD, and outspeed them oh and by the way, not have a holocom to contact thier allies but somehow it did have one that they contacted the alien from the first movie?

I mean, you're not wrong that certain technologies being there or not there is a bit odd. But the Raddus is about 3km long, which is still 3x the size of the largest Rebellion ships in ROTJ.