Blizzard should do the right thing and disable the Raider.io addon's functionality

[Dracodraco]

No it's not ^^

Literally the easiest (incl. the gold farming part) thing is to get a reliable boosting-group. Making a group yourself will take longer and you just end up with the same issue where scrubs with good stats still screw up your key (or people don't want to sign up because your score is low)

How is a group of friends not the same as a boosting group, except without the cost? Unless of course your friends are worse than pugs and it is thus preferable to you to pug people than to go with guildies/friends (which would be akward).

[Deleted]

No it's not ^^

Literally the easiest (incl. the gold farming part) thing is to get a reliable boosting-group. Making a group yourself will take longer and you just end up with the same issue where scrubs with good stats still screw up your key (or people don't want to sign up because your score is low)

I run with friends almost every single day, from the point of logging in I can be in a M+ within 10-15 minutes even with one or two pugs, that's not a long time. If you believe that people with high score are so bad and people with low score can easily be great, then find those people with the same mindset as you and play with them, add them to your friends list and keep inviting them. Should be plenty of people in this very thread to choose from.

[RobertMugabe]

I run with friends almost every single day, from the point of logging in I can be in a M+ within 10-15 minutes even with one or two pugs, that's not a long time. If you believe that people with high score are so bad and people with low score can easily be great, then find those people with the same mindset as you and play with them, add them to your friends list and keep inviting them. Should be plenty of people in this very thread to choose from.

Yeah I agree with that tho

[Talsar]

You've posted previously that you join M+ groups and then leave before the first pull as some kind of revenge for a slight, so as far as I'm concerned i hope you never get a M+ group until you grow the fuck up and stop being so petty. Maybe the reason you get declined is that word is getting out that you're an asshole.

[Slicer299]

This addon and it's purpose is pure bullshit. I get insta invites to any group on my current main and it wasn't even my main at all for most of the expansion and I have been pushing high keys since anyone was, but for this patch and last patch this is the only toon I was pushing any serious keys on. This patch? Suddenly everyone and their mother has that stupid raider.io app, before I would get invited to 15's with no issue on all of my toons, now? I'm getting declined so often it's disgusting.

I don't want to do keys I don't need anymore, esp on my alts. It's understandable I only want to do keys where I can actually get the best drops for my class as far as my alts go, and it is not as if I am signing up for keystone's for lvls I have not already completed on time this patch. I know I'm not the only one that has this issue.

When gearscore became problematic Blizzard did not hesitate to remove it's functionality, they should do the same with raider.io. The thing just keeps people from being able to functionally play the game.

Maybe know your facts before ranting. Gearscore was only broken because of the millions of different inspection queries it was sending to the server. Every time you moused over someone it sent an "Inspect Player" request to the server. It was literally breaking the game because of how it function, not the information it provided. If Blizzard really didn't want people to care about an arbitratry power number based on their gear, they wouldn't have introduced ILvl with Cata just after they broke the Gearscore addon in Wrath.

People will ALWAYS act super elitist when forming groups. Setting expectations that far exceed what the content requires. All because they don't want that content to be challenging in any way.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

No it's not ^^

Literally the easiest (incl. the gold farming part) thing is to get a reliable boosting-group. Making a group yourself will take longer and you just end up with the same issue where scrubs with good stats still screw up your key (or people don't want to sign up because your score is low)

Using Raider.IO addon I have caught people in queue advertising "Your 15 Key Our Carry" who were only 900 score and had never completed above a 14. They were literally trying to attract a 15 key because they couldn't make their own. I'll take my friends any day. I know they can play, because I've run with them. And I know they would never desert me without finishing, even if things don't go smooth.

[thunderdragon2]

How does that follow? Are you advocating the same change for raids? Right now Group Finder is a free market tool where anyone can start a group for any activity and invite whoever they want, even if the activity is silly and their requirements are goofy. The tool itself is neutral and it's up to us how we use it.

We could go to a more socialist system where anyone forming a group was required to use the suggested item level for that content and set to auto-accept. If we did this, however, I suspect you would see even fewer people stepping up to lead groups. Group Finder would be mostly empty, so that wouldn't help anyone.

if they are only there to push keys for the sake of it there no need for the gear reward, it would be just like doing cm gold in wod simple

[Realmerc]

3k is new 2k after this week. Met so many bad players with 3k+ who were body pulling extra packs, dying to obvious mechanics or not knowing what their class can do to make some dungeons easier.

well the 800-2k happened in two weeks ago which was bostering, grievous and tyrannical, i don't think tyrannical is necessarily harder to me, as a aff warlock, it has the moderate difficulty, but yeah sanguine week is definitely too easy.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

if they are only there to push keys for the sake of it there no need for the gear reward, it would be just like doing cm gold in wod simple

Maybe they want to do both? Just like raiders?

[thunderdragon2]

Maybe they want to do both? Just like raiders?

raiding is a different discussion, tho id love for them to remove the tf system this fucking up everything

[Deleted]

I don't mind the addons. It is just annoying that they get data from leaderboards so you have to do the keystones early during a reset especially on easier weeks. it sucks that even if you do a +15 keystone on Sunday it won't show up in the addons due to leaderboards being locked to 17 or more for example. But i cannot blame the addons for this.

[Deleted]

1:
The amount of applicants you get for a +15, 965 is super common - if you set the requirement at 950, you'll have a bunch between 960-970 to pick from. Thus, "average" - 965 is nothing special and won't get you into a group for having a "high item level", because it's not high.

2:
You said 965 in bags. You're looking at my equipped item level as a *hunter* who uses 4piece old tier and arcanocrystal, and think I'm *actually* 957? I have 970 in bags. That's not even high enough to get me in without credentials, and I play something that's actually *good* in M+.

1 - That still doesn't make it average. You're failing hard for confirmation bias. For the most part, people under, let's say, 955 won't bother to apply to a +19 key, so you won't see them popping up, giving you the false thought that 965 is average. As I said, you don't know what average is or don't apply it correctly.

2 - Yeah, I said in bags, but the difference is usually not that big and it still definitely doesn't make 965 average.

[FelPlague]

Or run them with friends? I have dps friends whisper me all the time asking if I'd like to tank some M+. I always say yes if I'm not busy, because I love M+ and who wouldn't rather run with friends?

The friends i have that do do them, are usually full.

[ItsTiddles]

My only problem with Raider IO is it seems to not track anything 10 or below
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If it tracked 10 and below it would be near perfect, but you run the issues of you cant even work up, you have to get lucky to get groups or hope to make them yourself as a lone dps....

There are people with +2s recorded on raider.io. It all depends on when in the week they are done, what the dungeon is, and if there are any low-pop realms involved. It tracks below +10, it's just harder because of Blizzard's API.

[FelPlague]

There are people with +2s recorded on raider.io. It all depends on when in the week they are done, what the dungeon is, and if there are any low-pop realms involved. It tracks below +10, it's just harder because of Blizzard's API.

yeah i have done tons of +10s and +9s trying to do these dungeons NO ONE wants to do on 15, and yet they wont fucking appear

[Deleted]

I was in a group for +15 EoA that asked for a 2k score from everyone today and they still couldn't even complete the instance in time. All 3 dps died to the earthquake from King Deepbeard. Well ok, one wipe can happen and it still would've been in time, but on the 2nd attempt two of them died again..

Now that pretty much everyone who cares could farm a 2k score with last week's affixes, Raider.io score doesn't say much anymore either. I wonder with what people will come up next to filter out the "baddies". Demand a 3k score just to be sure? But I doubt people who do +20s on a regular basis are interested in pugging +15s, especially for the less popular keys.

[Dracodraco]

I was in a group for +15 EoA that asked for a 2k score from everyone today and they still couldn't even complete the instance in time. All 3 dps died to the earthquake from King Deepbeard. Well ok, one wipe can happen and it still would've been in time, but on the 2nd attempt two of them died again..

Now that pretty much everyone who cares could farm a 2k score with last week's affixes, Raider.io score doesn't say much anymore either. I wonder with what people will come up next to filter out the "baddies". Demand a 3k score just to be sure? But I doubt people who do +20s on a regular basis are interested in pugging +15s, especially for the less popular keys.

Eh, I dunno, probably still just fucking brainlag on their part rather than actual retardation. Bursting/Skittish does nothing on bosses, volcanic would have done the exact same thing as Deepbeards earthquake - but on every single boss, in all of the dungeons they completed, and all of the trash. If they managed to farm 2K with volcanic active (and managed to get through the second boss, which to be fair is a little more challenging than the earthquake of Deepbeard due to having a specific "don't stack" / "don't be on water" requirement depending on ability), I don't see how that specific mechanic is what stopped them dead in their tracks.

[Deleted]

Eh, I dunno, probably still just fucking brainlag on their part rather than actual retardation. Bursting/Skittish does nothing on bosses, volcanic would have done the exact same thing as Deepbeards earthquake - but on every single boss, in all of the dungeons they completed, and all of the trash. If they managed to farm 2K with volcanic active (and managed to get through the second boss, which to be fair is a little more challenging than the earthquake of Deepbeard due to having a specific "don't stack" / "don't be on water" requirement depending on ability), I don't see how that specific mechanic is what stopped them dead in their tracks.

Well the big difference to last week is tyrannical. It makes boss abilities hit harder and the bosses can't be just lusted down before they can use the majority of their abilities. They had no problems on trash, but on every boss someone got one shot.

[Deleted]

Tried to do a +19 Maw of Souls this week with a DPS that apparently had a 3000 rating for M+, whatever that means.

He died on the 2nd boss very single pull (the key had long since depleted and we eventually had to disband). It's Skittish this week. Sometimes he'd die at the start by opening with insane burst before the tank could so much as swipe at the boss. If it wasn't that, he was getting hit by that purple Scythe thing the boss does. I can understand fucking it up once, but not on 6 pulls in a row.

I'm not too sure what this M+ score is supposed to be measuring exactly, but it definitely isn't player skill. I'd be more inclined to ask for someone's raiding experience since in my experience if do do Mythic raids you're going to be a bit more competent in M+, generally speaking. There will be exceptions, but it seems like a more reliable metric to me.

[MCitra]

You do realize raider.io shows your main's score when they mouse over you right?

People who are too lazy to make this visable is not people you want to invite to a m+ either.


If you are getting declined only because of score you really cant blame an addon for it. It's the lack of experience you have thats the issue and you should work yourself up 1+ key at the time