Why would the Nightborn join the Alliance?

[Steampunkette]

So there's a few reasons for the Nightborn to join the Horde. They're not -good- reasons, but they're reasons.

1) Liadrin's Support and Tyrande's Distrust.
2) Cultural Alignment with the Blood Elves while the Night Elves are still fairly Anti-Arcane.
3) Alliance's focus on the Light, which the Nightborn don't share.

And there's a few reasons they shouldn't join the Horde.

1) Undead are culturally verboten in most societies
2) Trollwars, though I -think- that might've been more EK than Kalimdor.


But what reasons, specifically, do they have to join the Alliance? Beyond "The Horde Stinks" and "We've got Nelves" I'm mostly coming up blank.

In learning the history of the different wars between the two sides they'll learn that the (current) Horde and the Alliance have been aggressors and victims of each other as the tides of war run back and forth. Each side will tell their side of the story and present the other as monsters and themselves as victims and heroes (As we can see on the Forums, here, where Alliance and Horde players devalue their side's aggression and aggrandize their heroic traits).

And both sides helped during the revolution (Or, technically, it was 'faction neutral' class orders that the players represented). So that's really not much of a for or against on either side.

I'm open to suggestions.

[ParadoxPhD]

They would not, and are not. /thread

[Hawkknight97]

Didn't the Horde also have Paladins within their order that focus on the light?

[rda]

We discussed this already in other threads. The Nightborn have all reasons to join nobody. I think the best explanation for them to join the Horde is that they were forced to join *somebody* by the warring Alliance / Horde and so they chose one of the sides, basically at random (out of a minute irrational feeling or similar nonsense). The important thing is that they have been forced to choose between two dumb choices and so the resulting choice was dumb.

[mickybrighteyes]

at this point in the story... there are more reasons for the nightborne to join the horde than the nightelves had to join the alliance at vanilla launch.
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[Balir]

One of the key scenes is during the opening/seige of Nighthold questline where us - the attackers get stuck in a time trap(?). Elisande talks/goads the Elven factions that are present, giving each one a few words on her opinion of them.

Throw another one in there, horde will most likely NOT get Valkir(sp) or Vyrkul (sp) because of Slyvies trying to enslave Eyir, plus the questline in the underworld.

[Shadowspire]

Ok for those that can't understand why the nightborne would join the horde.
Nightborne are magic addicted and just lost their addiction source

The blood elves are also magic addicted, but thier well is intact and unlike thier nature loving cousins,they are proud of flawnting this love of magic.

Does it really need more explanation of why they join

[Combatbutler]

Ok for those that can't understand why the nightborne would join the horde.
Nightborne are magic addicted and just lost their addiction source

The blood elves are also magic addicted, but thier well is intact and unlike thier nature loving cousins,they are proud of flawnting this love of magic.

Does it really need more explanation of why they join

Afew minor problems though, the nightborne were cured of their addiction entirely, they don't need another well and they didn't loose their well either. They chose to let it die.

[Shadowspire]

Afew minor problems though, the nightborne were cured of their addiction entirely, they don't need another well and they didn't loose their well either. They chose to let it die.

More like the new leaders choose to let it die,not understanding how much it was going to effect the ppl that badly

[Calfredd]

More like the new leaders choose to let it die,not understanding how much it was going to effect the ppl that badly

Since they are no longer addicted to the Nightwell, the only thing they lost was a power source that already made a pretty power race even more powerful.

[StraTosSpeAr]

Why do people try to argue points like this in WoW anymore?

The writing is grade-A trash 95% of the time. Nightborne are joining the Horde because they are being forced into that position by Blizzard. Almost nothing about the writing in WoW naturally flows from the story. It's pretty much all dictated by gameplay at this point.

[Combatbutler]

More like the new leaders choose to let it die,not understanding how much it was going to effect the ppl that badly

They don't need it anymore that was the whole point of the arcan'dor story arc.

[Shadowspire]

Since they are no longer addicted to the Nightwell, the only thing they lost was a power source that already made a pretty power race even more powerful.

Last repeat.
The nightborne as a whole did not agree with what the new leaders would do.
The nightborne are also painfully addicted to magic just like the blood elves

The blood elves are both, able to control their addiction plus have a well for the blood elves and nightborne to use

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They don't need it anymore that was the whole point of the arcan'dor story arc.

They can't ration all the fruit fast enough

[Calfredd]

Last repeat.

And yet you keep skipping over the most important bit: The Nightborne are no longer addicted.

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They can't ration all the fruit fast enough

They still have plenty of arc wine stocks until the fruit is distributed.

[Combatbutler]

They can't ration all the fruit fast enough

The fruit needs to be eaten only once, not to mention they still have all the leylines they rerouted to keep the population stable until everyone got their fruit. All of this has been addressed over the questline.

OT

They join because blizz decided in their infinite wisdom to focus on faction conflict, despite the fact they more or less pushed the factions so far in the background over the course of several xpacks they pretty much lost their appeal.

[derpkitteh]

i really need that image of thalyssra dabbing infront of the burning teldrassil. all these buttraged alliance being nonsensical.

like it couldn't have been set up better for them to go to horde.

[corebit]

Why do people try to argue points like this in WoW anymore?

The writing is grade-A trash 95% of the time. Nightborne are joining the Horde because they are being forced into that position by Blizzard. Almost nothing about the writing in WoW naturally flows from the story. It's pretty much all dictated by gameplay at this point.

The Blizzard modus operandi has always been gameplay > rule of cool >>>>>> lore.

So people need to chill out and stop taking the lore seriously. There's plenty of other games where lore isn't treated like a red-headed stepchild.

[Steampunkette]

I'm not looking for discussion on why the Nightborn joined the Horde, or debate on whether or not they should've or should've joined the Alliance.

I'm looking, specifically, for reasons for the Nightborn to choose the Alliance.

This is not a bait thread or a troll thread, but an earnest question because I don't have an answer, myself. As noted, the reasons they join the Horde are minimal, compared to the cost of joining a faction in a War. But why would they choose the Alliance?

The Horde Smelling is canonical, by the by. Orcs, Trolls, Forsaken, and Tauren all have unique odors that races in the Alliance do not like. It was a small shot at the Horde but the Nightborn are the prissy types, so it might matter to some tiny degree.

[Deleted]

at this point in the story... there are more reasons for the nightborne to join the horde than the nightelves had to join the alliance at vanilla launch.
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Why? think like this.... you encounter two unknown fractions, one of the fractions greatest champion helpe you to break your and your peoples mana addiction, and kill the demon lord that torment your people.

Then this savior of a champion ask you...do you want to join my Alliance? its a military defence pakt and trade pakt, and you will get a voice in its counsel, but before you join, know we is in a war with some real scumbags called the Hord who is led by a evil lich queen who want to destroy what we stand for....

Now why would you not want to join? Sure you can du the opposite story, if the great champion and savior was from the hord....

[rda]

I'm looking, specifically, for reasons for the Nightborn to choose the Alliance.

Because the Alliance helped them.

You say "And both sides helped during the revolution (Or, technically, it was 'faction neutral' class orders that the players represented). So that's really not much of a for or against on either side." but all this means is that the Nightborn have the same reason to join the Alliance and the Horde. So if the Alliance and the Horde are in conflict, it makes all sense for the Nightborn to join nobody. But <and here we repeat what was already said above about Blizzard lore writers, their moms, etc>.

Maybe you meant to say that you are looking for reasons for the Nightborn to *prefer* the Alliance to the Horde? (That would make sense, but the elephant in the room would remain that 99% of the sense is to join nobody and only 1% is in those reasons to prefer one or the other side. If that.)