Attack on undercity plot hole.

[DaHomieG]

Why even attack it? It's called the RUINS of Lordaeron for a reason.

[Combatbutler]

They hurl their starving homeless over the walls via catapult

I'd wager they beat the insurgents into submission and use them as slave labor.

[mizeri]

The biggest plot hole is how the hell does the Alliance afford all this? The war against the Lich King left them near-pennyless and they haven’t stopped fighting since!

all that Auction house cuts

[Varodoc]

The Grand Alliance won't have control of the Vindicaar alone. The entire Grand Army of the Light (including the High-Exarch, Turalyon) is joining the High-King in the next expansion, therefore de-jure they would also have control of High-Commander Lothraxion's forces (the Aurobos, a dimensional spaceship that led the powerful Dreadlord Balnazzar to his demise).

The argument 'The Vindicaar is busy defending the Azuremyst Isles' is moot, because, as proven before, the Grand Alliance would also have control of the Aurobos, which is another dimensional spaceship like the Vindicaar, if not even more powerful, as it can warp time and teleport. So they can use the Vindicaar to assault the Undercity and use the Aurobos to protect the Azuremyst Isles, or viceversa.

But we don't need neither the Vindicaar nor the Aurobos to smash the walls of that pitiful ruined city. The sheer awesomeness of Alleria Windrunner will do the job, and even make us look good doing it.

The biggest plot hole is how the hell does the Alliance afford all this? The war against the Lich King left them near-pennyless and they haven’t stopped fighting since!

That was only the Kingdom of Stormwind. And it seems Stormwind has recovered from its economical crisis, as it can afford to launch various expeditions to reclaim Gilneas, Stromgarde, Kul'tiras and Lordaeron.

[Combatbutler]

That was only the Kingdom of Stormwind. And it seems Stormwind has recovered from its economical crisis, as it can afford to launch various expeditions to reclaim Gilneas, Stromgarde, Kul'tiras and Lordaeron.

That is the question, just how did they manage to do that, when their taxation drove their population to riots and open rebellion prior.

[Raetary]

Why even attack it?

because its a horde capital city.

[kaelix1]

The biggest plot hole is how the hell does the Alliance afford all this? The war against the Lich King left them near-pennyless and they haven’t stopped fighting since!

Want to hear even a bigger plot hole? how the hell Horde have the man power to fight Alliance at this point? let see

Orc almost extinct and they are rebuilding
Taurens almost extinct and rebuilding
Troll almost extinct
Undead-almost extinct
Goblins-almost extinct

did i miss something? except Blood Elf all Horde race are in a rebuilding process, what did i miss? Did Alliance lose so so much compare with the Horde against Legion?

[Aeula]

Want to hear even a bigger plot hole? how the hell Horde have the man power to fight Alliance at this point? let see

Orc almost extinct and they are rebuilding
Taurens almost extinct and rebuilding
Troll almost extinct
Undead-almost extinct
Goblins-almost extinct

did i miss something? except Blood Elf all Horde race are in a rebuilding process, what did i miss? Did Alliance lose so so much compare with the Horde against Legion?

Well, the Blood Elves are the second most played race...

[Zyky]

Who wants to guess what is the reason the Alliance does not simply use the Vindicar to demolish the walls? I am interested.

Not sure if its a plot hole, but it could just be that at the time of the Attack on Undercity that the 'Allied races' are still neutral, I know it doesn't exactly make sense with the details behind 7.3.5, but from the perspective of just watching the Cinematic there are no Nightborne, Highmountain Tauren, no Lightforged, and no Void Elves fighting. So odds are from a story perspective the Alliance probably doesn't have the Vindicaar yet, from an in-game perspective Blizzard has done shottier time writing than this before, so -shrug- w/e.

[DaHomieG]

because its a horde capital city.

No shit, Sherlock. But they could've opted for like Silvermoon.

[Zyky]

Want to hear even a bigger plot hole? how the hell Horde have the man power to fight Alliance at this point? let see

Orc almost extinct and they are rebuilding
Taurens almost extinct and rebuilding
Troll almost extinct
Undead-almost extinct
Goblins-almost extinct

did i miss something? except Blood Elf all Horde race are in a rebuilding process, what did i miss? Did Alliance lose so so much compare with the Horde against Legion?

I mean...if you want to go toe to toe there are more Undead than there are Humans since Sylvanas never stopped her creation of them. Everything I'm about to say is from a story perspective not counting the hundreds of thousands of players out there: The Alliances armies are fairly small too, there are almost no gnomes that weren't turned Leper, under a 500 for sure from a story perspective. Dwarves are fairly scarce too, especially with all the internal fighting, hence them bringing in Dark Irons as allies, finally trusting Moria. Worgen are practically non-existent too. The Alliances armies are made up mostly of Humans and Night Elves from an actual lore perspective, since we know the burning of Teldrassil happens first, safe to assume that a lot of the Night Elves are dead...soooo Humans....where most of the humans from a lore perspective do not hold allegiance to the Alliance or even Stormwind.

[Combatbutler]

Want to hear even a bigger plot hole? how the hell Horde have the man power to fight Alliance at this point? let see

You can say the same for every Alliance race, with the exception of dwarves and humans. Blizz has a habit of telling us that at least 80% of a population has died but then they pop up pretty much everywhere.

[Zyky]

No shit, Sherlock. But they could've opted for like Silvermoon.

You mean so that the Alliance can never go there either? lol

[Blamblam41]

Probably defending the Azuremyst isles to make sure the Alliance has SOMEWHERE in Kalimdor left.

Same as Silvermoon likely being protected by the Sunwell’s shield.

Not to mention dem Anima golems. Those fuckers are scarier than Lightforged Warframes and Fel Reavers combined.

[Raetary]

No shit, Sherlock. But they could've opted for like Silvermoon.

hmmm.... conquering an important underground base that's located under some ruins or conquering a safely guarded magical city of elves, fully protected by magical golems and constructs and empowered by a font of great arcane and holy power.


yes, going straight for the elves would be a wonderful idea.

[XDurionX]

Just send in a handful L90 lfr heroes, was enough to raze Orgrimmar.

[Leyre]

Who wants to guess what is the reason the Alliance does not simply use the Vindicar to demolish the walls? I am interested.

Same reason the alliance hasnt been destroyed since the forsaken got his hands in putress plague, plot

[Deleted]

Same reason the alliance hasnt been destroyed since the forsaken got his hands in putress plague, plot

The plague can be stopped as showed in GIlneas and Silverpine forest, where it was used, there are tactics that can disrupt that.

You cannot disrupt a ship that can fly across the world in an instant, has enough shields to stop legion batteries, and can punch a hole through a 10 meter wall.

[Varodoc]

That is the question, just how did they manage to do that, when their taxation drove their population to riots and open rebellion prior.

It is possible that their close and old ally, the Kingdom of Ironforge (which i expect to be quite rich and wealthy), helped them get over the crisis by loaning them money.

So odds are from a story perspective the Alliance probably doesn't have the Vindicaar yet, from an in-game perspective Blizzard has done shottier time writing than this before, so -shrug- w/e.

The Vindicaar does not belong to the Army of the Light, it was built by Velen and by the Draenei of the Exodar, who are affiliated with the Alliance. And, of course, with Alleria and Turalyon joining the Alliance, the Army of the Light will follow them.

[Protean]

Want to hear even a bigger plot hole? how the hell Horde have the man power to fight Alliance at this point? let see

Orc almost extinct and they are rebuilding
Taurens almost extinct and rebuilding
Troll almost extinct
Undead-almost extinct
Goblins-almost extinct

did i miss something? except Blood Elf all Horde race are in a rebuilding process, what did i miss? Did Alliance lose so so much compare with the Horde against Legion?

Maybe it's only extinct compared to their "normalized" populations. That is, if Azeroth's ecosystem has room for 1 million trolls, and there are 200k left they could be "near extinction" while still being a shitload of actual trolls.