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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    Ah, so the top guilds who do anything to squeeze out even 1 extra dps aren't going outlaw because "fuck it" gotcha ^^
    the top guilds definitely used sin rogues on argus, (for execute) and we didn't know about the PK build then! but here you still are with "sin is the lowest performing spec."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djanco View Post
    the top guilds definitely used sin rogues on argus, (for execute) and we didn't know about the PK build then! but here you still are with "sin is the lowest performing spec."
    You are aware the method rogue probably knew, hate to break it to you.

  3. #163
    Am I the only around around that plays certain specs just because they're fun to play? Fighting for #1 on DPS meters is so Wrath of The Lich King hahahahaha
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  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    You are aware the method rogue probably knew, hate to break it to you.
    there is no way you can know that because their logs are always hidden until end of tier, hate to break it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djanco View Post
    there is no way you can know that because their logs are always hidden until end of tier, hate to break it to you.
    Guess you saying he didn't know is also incorrect.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Thieves cant View Post
    i tried outlaw and i didn't really like the rotation. assassination stacks haste so its poison application is high. i stack agility mastery with subtlety and seems to make eviscerate useful.
    Did i missed something? Assassination stacks mastery on top of mastery with some crit, but outside Outlul no rogue wants haste on their gear.
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  7. #167
    There are one of three options.

    1. You get to keep it and play a spec that has to be way more alert than any other class resulting in the slightest mess up screwing you over just to "Be on par with fury"

    This could be fun for some but most will not want to do this. Therefore you are going to hope for the second option.

    2. When they run through the spec and realize they need to nerf this, only to balance assasination again and to put it in a good place so rogues maybe can have a good dps spec.

    This is what you want to have happen, because as a pure dps they are pretty mediocre and need a viable spec. A dot spec seems to be doing well this tier. However My faith in blizzard will lead me to the third option

    3. They nerf it and screw rogues :]

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Creativlol View Post
    Did i missed something? Assassination stacks mastery on top of mastery with some crit, but outside Outlul no rogue wants haste on their gear.
    no you are correct, you dont want haste. Even versatility is better than haste for roUGE

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Thieves cant View Post
    i tried outlaw and i didn't really like the rotation. assassination stacks haste so its poison application is high. i stack agility mastery with subtlety and seems to make eviscerate useful.
    One of the most obtuse?(i can think of better adjectives) posts i've seen in a while if you're not trolling - This haste comment is straight out of 12 years ago.

    It's also nice that you stack agi and mastery for sub and it makes evisc useful. Cute.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    One of the most obtuse?(i can think of better adjectives) posts i've seen in a while if you're not trolling - This haste comment is straight out of 12 years ago.

    It's also nice that you stack agi and mastery for sub and it makes evisc useful. Cute.
    Be mindful who wrote that.
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  11. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    It's almost like i have to continuously point out that mut is only within 5% because of fok and this bug which are going bye bye. And outlaw because of rtb rng. Good lord.
    And this is where you are wrong. Please check your sources again and accept that this is simply not the case. And by sources I do not mean 75 percentile logs accumulating all fights; it's not accurate. The specs have been very close even before PK was a thing.

  12. #172
    When he has his "TIL" moment and realizes bis outlaw doesn't even run rtb.

  13. #173
    Rogue
    Assassination
    Mutilate damage increased by 20%.
    Balanced Blades (Artifact trait) bonus increased to 4% per point (was 2% per point).
    Poison Knives (Artifact trait) reduced to 3% per point (was 4% per point).
    Deadly Poison triggered instant damage increased by 15%.

    Sin getting buffs.. did not expect that

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Twix View Post
    Rogue
    Assassination
    Mutilate damage increased by 20%.
    Balanced Blades (Artifact trait) bonus increased to 4% per point (was 2% per point).
    Poison Knives (Artifact trait) reduced to 3% per point (was 4% per point).
    Deadly Poison triggered instant damage increased by 15%.

    Sin getting buffs.. did not expect that
    Secret to getting an underperforming spec to be buffed: Find something broken or bizzare, and take complete advantage of it. That will cause blizz to see something is up and buff the standard way of playing the spec. It happened with WW a couple months ago with their tier mixing, and it's about to happen to assassin.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Varolyn View Post
    Secret to getting an underperforming spec to be buffed: Find something broken or bizzare, and take complete advantage of it. That will cause blizz to see something is up and buff the standard way of playing the spec. It happened with WW a couple months ago with their tier mixing, and it's about to happen to assassin.
    hope sin is at least competitive now.. it was dead last on sims

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Twix View Post
    hope sin is at least competitive now.. it was dead last on sims
    Sin was already pretty competitive with the FoK build, and according to the people over at Ravenholdt discord, it will be a slight buff over what that build does now currently, while receiving a very minor nerf in AoE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djanco View Post
    there is no way you can know that because their logs are always hidden until end of tier, hate to break it to you.
    Right, but to assume otherwise is to assume that a top world rogue is just a fucking idiot, which he isn't, so, he figured it out just like everyone else.

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  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Twix View Post
    Rogue
    Assassination
    Mutilate damage increased by 20%.
    Balanced Blades (Artifact trait) bonus increased to 4% per point (was 2% per point).
    Poison Knives (Artifact trait) reduced to 3% per point (was 4% per point).
    Deadly Poison triggered instant damage increased by 15%.

    Sin getting buffs.. did not expect that
    Well i wasn't far off when i expected them to try and keep dmg at the FoK build's threshold.

    But these buffs are fairly hefty. the PK nerf should be offset by the DP buff, and the mut buff coupled with the significant balance blades buff definitely puts that incentive to use mut front and center. An indirect buff to the Master Alch trait too, through that dp increase.

    Not what i expected(more than i optimistically expected). Balanced blades looks really nice now - i might have to get 5-6 traits and see how 66% crit on mut feels.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Well i wasn't far off when i expected them to try and keep dmg at the FoK build's threshold.

    But these buffs are fairly hefty. the PK nerf should be offset by the DP buff, and the mut buff coupled with the significant balance blades buff definitely puts that incentive to use mut front and center. An indirect buff to the Master Alch trait too, through that dp increase.

    Not what i expected(more than i optimistically expected). Balanced blades looks really nice now - i might have to get 5-6 traits and see how 66% crit on mut feels.
    BB is apparently going to be the third best trait now for sin with these changes, behind Malch and MA. It could be a nice alternate if your relic doesn't have Malch/MA on it.

  20. #180
    I would be surprised if Balanced Blades doesn't overtake Master Assassin after the first relic considering how much it drops in value after 1x.

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