Nightborne reasons are ridiculous.

[Torais]

Tyrande's attitude towards the nightborne being borderline hostile could have had something to do with it.

...After the Nightborne murdered nearly the entire Moon Guard WHILE being saved from extinction by a Night Elf?

I would think some harsh words would be the least of what they had coming.

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In 2018 OP still need to understand that Horde Trolls (aka Darkspears) do not blindly hate Elves.

[Ramz]

Zandalari want to avoid extinction. They've gambled more than once and lost each time. Now they'll likely try to swallow some of their pride so that they can survive. THose are good, understanable reasons. It might also involve Sylvanas really, really wanting to be friendly with the Loa of Death.

I don't think Sylvanas will be involved with Zandalari at any way, let alone Bwon who would sooner end her "torment" and kill her for good than keeping her going.
As for Zandalari empire from Blizzcon introduction Jaina said clearly that it's "the Horde that seeks the aid of ancient empire" not the other way around. it was also said that even after splitting forces with Zul, Zandalar can no problem rival and ever surpass Kul Tiras navy.
They will have some internal conflict but their wellbeing is intact, which couldn't be said about Nightborne that were about to go all wretched and likely extinct if it wouldn't be for that tree.

In 2018 OP still need to understand that Horde Trolls (aka Darkspears) do not blindly hate Elves.

But they don't love them either.

OP likely meant Zandalari who had clash with nightborne (previously Highborne).

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I don't think Sylvanas will be involved with Zandalari at any way, let alone Bwon who would sooner end her "torment" and kill her for good than keeping her going.
As for Zandalari empire from Blizzcon introduction Jaina said clearly that it's "the Horde that seeks the aid of ancient empire" not the other way around. it was also said that even after splitting forces with Zul, Zandalar can no problem rival and ever surpass Kul Tiras navy.
They will have some internal conflict but their wellbeing is intact, which couldn't be said about Nightborne that were about to go all wretched and likely extinct if it wouldn't be for that tree.



But they don't love them either.

OP likely meant Zandalari who had clash with nightborne (previously Highborne).

All must be love or hate? Black and white? I don't think Tauren "loves" undead. You don't need to love an ally, you need to share a common goal or interest. And sometimes, see Zandalari, you don't have much choice. And i don't think Nightborne are so stubborn to put a veto against them. After all, A LOT of years passed, by your logic in WoW you can't forgive old enemies. Hell, even in real life i don't think we are still at war with Germany after WWII and his tragic events.

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So OP main compliant is the Horde are Subrace rejects and the Nightborne don't belong with them..


Right. The Nightborne have much in common with the Horde Races. They became tools of the Legion against their will and are reviled by other races for it. BE and NB are very similar. BE are already in the Horde so the hating elves argument is horseshit. The Horde likely would give the NB more freedom. Let's face it if the NB joined the Allaince Tyranda would have sent sentinels to watch the NB. The Allaince races aren't exactly ones for forgiveness (Jianas dad attacking durotar and Tyranda in general etc etc) and for a race that have certainly done wrong the Horde represent a path fillied with less judgment.

[Ramz]

All must be love or hate? Black and white? I don't think Tauren "loves" undead. You don't need to love an ally, you need to share a common goal or interest. And sometimes, see Zandalari, you don't have much choice. And i don't think Nightborne are so stubborn to put a veto against them. After all, A LOT of years passed, by your logic in WoW you can't forgive old enemies. Hell, even in real life i don't think we are still at war with Germany after WWII and his tragic events.

You're now adding stuff I didn't say or implied at all. If anything my comment indicated that Darkspears are mere tolerating belves, nothing more and nothing less.

Zandalari are different kind, but how exactly they will be portrayed we have yet to see.

[Dagoth Ur]

Whether you like their reasons or not, fact is Liadrin schooled Tyrande in basic diplomacy 101. Alliance will probably think twice before sending her on any diplomatic sensitive mission anymore.

[dimitrov]

So they don't thank the Alliance at all for their help nor do they wish to join them all because Tyrande was cautious with them? Completely disregarding the fact that they might be able to have great bonds with other races in the Alliance, they decide to join the Horde which is full of goblins, undead, orcs and trolls. The latter hate elves.
And that's somehow a BETTER choice than Tyrande's cautionary approach to them? It's so, so ridiculous. Dignity? Yeah good look having dignity in the Horde, Azeroth's rejects.

The Nightborne then call the Alliance stagnant. STAGNANT? What's stagnant about it? Sounds to me like Tyrande is completely right in being wary of the Nightborne, who seem to imply they want to seek power at any cost once more. And they call TYRANDE too proud! Holy smokes, the irony going on here!

You are fucking right. It is so ridiculous.... maybe the people in blizz that invented that great scenario are all bitches who leave their boyfriends/families to go with the bad guys. There are thousands more reasons to join the alliance.

[Dagoth Ur]

Too bad that it wasn't even a diplomatic competition to have a winner.

If you try to think ahead it always is. You never know whose help you'll need and burning bridges because of pride or whatever wasn't too smart.

[Dagoth Ur]

And that is exactly what she did. The Alliance seemed stagnant in Nightborne eyes and with the selfish attitude of the Nightborne they would betray the Alliance just like how they betrayed the Night Elves back in WotA and didn't regret a bit about it. People who easily pick a side and declare war on the other for the reasons of expanding beyond Suramar and show the world their nobility and strength cannot be trusted and have a place in the Alliance.

But Thalyssra's opinion on Alliance was based mainly on how Tyrande behaved towards her. I mean you can call it overreaction but what was she supposed to do? First impressions matter and she didn't go touring around Azeroth meeting all the other Alliance races.
In the end Liadrin did much better job representing her faction and making it seem like more sympathetic and open to others than Tyrande.

I get what you mean and why Alliance feels semi betrayed. But when you have to choose either red or blue that's how it goes I guess.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Very true, but people want pretty races and elves are the quick and easy way to do it.

Pretty is subjective.

Saying that they add races based on that fact, is just childish levels of reasoning. Not every choose their character based on sex appeal.

[Andromedes]

Whether you like their reasons or not, fact is Liadrin schooled Tyrande in basic diplomacy 101. Alliance will probably think twice before sending her on any diplomatic sensitive mission anymore.

exactly, you can just lie and pretend that you care about them, until they join you

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Now, try to be a bit open-minded and realise that some people actually want Void Elves.

Certain people love to shit all over them on this site, but I bet you they will be incredibly popular

[Dagoth Ur]

exactly, you can just lie and pretend that you care about them, until they join you

Well even though I think she genuinely cared about their struggle because belves went through something similar, it doesn't matter in the end. She's going home with shiny new allies and that's what counts.

[Ealyssa]

i am going to spell it out for you slowly.
Night elves lost their identity while being in the alliance.
Blood elves kept their identity while being in the horde.
Nightborne want to join the world while keeping their identity.
so they pick horde. the end.

This

They don't want to blend into in Alliance. Horde is culturally diverse.

[Heladys]

The Nightborne reasons are "because blizz wanted it that way". Any reasons you're given are just colorful camouflage wrapped around that. Do you really care what that camouflage is?

[deviantcultist]

Certain people love to shit all over them on this site, but I bet you they will be incredibly popular

Sadly noticed that. This site is a heaven for toxic vocal minorities.

[Daedius]

Nothing ridiculous about it. If given the options why would anyone want to side with a relatively hostile "diplomat". Being rude will not earn them any favors.

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Sadly noticed that. This site is a heaven for toxic vocal minorities.

Best to just ignore them. I for one am very excited about the void elves and will definitely make a rogue, hunter and warlock maybe a mage too if they stop being boring

[Dagoth Ur]

The matter is that Thalyssra thinks Alliance and Horde need to prove themselves to them so she can choose which one is better. She doesn't care that they abandoned their own kin back in WotA. The reason of Tyrande's distrust is because of their own action and they use it as a reason to side with Horde.

It is like that Taurens abandon the Horde to save themselves and later Horde help them take back their city while being distrustful to them and they join the Alliance because Horde didn't trust them. And saying that Alliance won diplomacy. lol

Well that distrust is what turned her off. Also what she said about wanting Nightborne to preserve their identity, which she thinks Horde will allow.

Also you have to remember that Blood elves were once also part of Kal'dorei empire, they're also their kin. So your Tauren analogy isn't exactly the same. They were never members of current Alliance, like Tauren are Horde's.

In the end it still stands that if Tyrande toned it down a bit and tried to be a bit more sympathetic, Nightborne would possibly ended up in Alliance.