[Spoiler] We give away our artifact weapons in this Cinematic

[Onikaroshi]

Terrible decision by Blizzard. They should never have added Artifact weapons if the plan was to remove them entirely. Literally makes no sense.

We knew before legion even started.

[Mirishka]

We knew before legion even started.

Exactly. They made it known from the get-go that Artifacts were the 'Garrison' of Legion, e.g. that they were a Legion thing and wouldn't be a factor in the expansions after Legion.

So its just been a matter of HOW we would lose them, not if. We've known this for literally 2+ years.

[Better]

Or, god forbid, it wasn't finished yet. Christ, this community sometimes.

On topic, unless there's some AMAZING reward for completing the 'retire your artifacts' quest, I'll be keeping all mine tyvm. :P

I'd be willing to bet if it actually does anything to the artifact(s) (I doubt it will) it will be required to do any new content.

[nyc81991]

We knew before legion even started.

I'm aware, however that doesn't make it better. The amount of time people have spent leveling up their weapons like it was another character only to throw them away (especially the way Blizzard is doing it) is a horrible idea.

[Cedon]

You do realize what a PTR is, yes? Its where they test content that is in development. Do we seriously need to have a conversation about all the unfinished shit that has been discovered on PTRs over the years?

It is a real-time cinematic, meaning it is done 100% in game, with the engine - which means they can edit it at will. Now, next week, after it releases.

Wow! Your grasp of the obvious is ASTOUNDING! What are you doing here on MMO-Champion Forums when you can be out saving the word by curing cancer or answering the eternal question of "Chicken, or Fish?". We know that it's an in-game cinematic and not a rendered one. Doesn't change the fact that Blizzard can put it into the PTR and not have it accessible. They've done that before by simply encrypting it and/or not including key data points that make it operational.

They also have a history of hiding that stuff with placeholders both for rendered cinematics, which will usually play the original WoW trailer in its place, or simply dump you back into the normal game with a text message about "Awesome even happens here" or similar for in-game ones like they did in the MoP, WoD, and Legion betas. The only thing "not done" about that is the sound since they will probably do voice overs for Magni.

[Gaidax]

I'm aware, however that doesn't make it better. The amount of time people have spent leveling up their weapons like it was another character only to throw them away (especially the way Blizzard is doing it) is a horrible idea.

Are you new to WoW or something?

It's what we frikkin' do for years, it does not matter how they call it or shit like that - it's either artifacts, garrisons or shit - plain old gear. Just because things end up becoming irrelevant next expansion does not mean they should not happen - artifacts were a good idea and had a good ride, does not mean that we should marry to them - next expansion there will be new shit to grind as usual.

[Hashtronaut]

Looks like the eye of Sauron

[Leyre]

Idiotic, the SCEPTER OF SARGERAS should be enough to hold the power of the SWORD OF SARGERAS because its the GOD DAMN SCEPTER OF SARGERAS

[rhorle]

Not only does the whole "you need to absorb the power!" already come off as forced, but the whole "They're now not powerful anymore" makes no sense since we've already historically used the power of the enemy against them multiple times. The weapons should be STRONGER after this...

So you accept us draining power from other sources to empower our own artifacts but can't accept our artifacts being drained of power to use that power somewhere else. You can't have it both ways. It isn't forced.

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I'm aware, however that doesn't make it better. The amount of time people have spent leveling up their weapons like it was another character only to throw them away (especially the way Blizzard is doing it) is a horrible idea.

Why? It isn't another character and it didn't require investment like another character. There is no good way to transition them over to the next expansion either. They loose all power and traits? That sounds silly. We get new ones? What about the old ones? Things don't always exist beyond they expansion they are introduced in. There is nothing wrong with that otherwise we would be imprisoned by the chains of the past.

[nyc81991]

So you accept us draining power from other sources to empower our own artifacts but can't accept our artifacts being drained of power to use that power somewhere else. You can't have it both ways. It isn't forced.

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Why? It isn't another character and it didn't require investment like another character. There is no good way to transition them over to the next expansion either. They loose all power and traits? That sounds silly. We get new ones? What about the old ones? Things don't always exist beyond they expansion they are introduced in. There is nothing wrong with that otherwise we would be imprisoned by the chains of the past.

We are literally just trading Artifact weapons for Artifact armor which look a lot more confusing and unnecessary than the current system. Azerite could have been used as the new ap for artifact weapons instead of armor in BFA. There is a lot that was obviously not fully thought out by Blizzard with the long term in mind.

[Jester Joe]

So you accept us draining power from other sources to empower our own artifacts but can't accept our artifacts being drained of power to use that power somewhere else. You can't have it both ways. It isn't forced.

Did you watch the cinematic?
They quite specifically say our weapons are the only thing that can hold that power. We're draining yet again, another source of power.
We're not draining our weapons

[Onikaroshi]

We are literally just trading Artifact weapons for Artifact armor which look a lot more confusing and unnecessary than the current system. Azerite could have been used as the new ap for artifact weapons instead of armor in BFA. There is a lot that was obviously not fully thought out by Blizzard with the long term in mind.

More confusing? It's simpler and 1 time only per character, not 2-4 times depending on how many specs you have. The thing that made weapons horrible is they locked you to a spec until you could grind out another to be equal, but if you had just stuck with one it would be more powerful as a whole, that whole thing is simplified come BfA.

[rhorle]

We are literally just trading Artifact weapons for Artifact armor which look a lot more confusing and unnecessary than the current system. Azerite could have been used as the new ap for artifact weapons instead of armor in BFA. There is a lot that was obviously not fully thought out by Blizzard with the long term in mind.

Right but what would happen to all of our current Artifact trats? We know have 100 artifact traits to fill up? What if class changes make artifact traits redundant or no longer applicable? You can't just transfer an artifact over from expansion to expansion with out resetting it. Which makes your argument moot. If they are resetting artifacts what is the problem with not using them any longer?

The Azerite system is an evolution of Artifacts and not confusing or unnecessary. It is a system designed to allow artifact trait (or set bonus) like effects with out being tied to a slot. So you can get a new helm and equip it right away with out having to worry keeping a set helm that is weaker. If you are confused by that then you would have been equally confused by Artifacts again making your argument moot.

[nyc81991]

More confusing? It's simpler and 1 time only per character, not 2-4 times depending on how many specs you have. The thing that made weapons horrible is they locked you to a spec until you could grind out another to be equal, but if you had just stuck with one it would be more powerful as a whole, that whole thing is simplified come BfA.

Have you watched the Blizzcon panel on Artifact armor? From what they showed they are like artifact weapons but RNG and you have to figure out which talents are stronger than the other options because you won't have all of the traits. It is significantly more confusing / convoluted than Legion weapons. Not being able to switch specs easily wasn't confusing and if anything the gap was smaller between switching specs than ever.

[rhorle]

Did you watch the cinematic?
They quite specifically say our weapons are the only thing that can hold that power. We're draining yet again, another source of power.
We're not draining our weapons

The logical conclusion though is that our Artifacts are no longer powerful because of that act. Just because you use something to absorb power doesn't mean it should automatically become more powerful.

Using your logic all absorbs in the game should never end. Because they are absorbing power and should thus become more powerful. If the energy that you are absorbing is negative it will cancel out the positive energy. We have spent the Legion Campaign powering up the positive of our artifacts. They are the things capable of absorbing and neutralizing the power of the sword of Sargeras because of how much we added to them.

Think of it like this:

Sword of Sargeras is -50.
Our Artifacts are now +50 after all the power we added to them in Legion.

-50+50=0

Get it?

[nyc81991]

Right but what would happen to all of our current Artifact trats? We know have 100 artifact traits to fill up? What if class changes make artifact traits redundant or no longer applicable? You can't just transfer an artifact over from expansion to expansion with out resetting it. Which makes your argument moot. If they are resetting artifacts what is the problem with not using them any longer?

The Azerite system is an evolution of Artifacts and not confusing or unnecessary. It is a system designed to allow artifact trait (or set bonus) like effects with out being tied to a slot. So you can get a new helm and equip it right away with out having to worry keeping a set helm that is weaker. If you are confused by that then you would have been equally confused by Artifacts again making your argument moot.

Current traits could stay / become baseline where it made sense. Easy enough.

Artifact armor was presented as having to choose between traits, unlike the current system where eventually you get everything. That means you will have to do some serious research to make sure you are choosing the best trait because let's be real, Blizzard can't be trusted to make choices that are all effectively equal. They can't even make talent trees with balanced and viable choices.

[rhorle]

Have you watched the Blizzcon panel on Artifact armor? From what they showed they are like artifact weapons but RNG and you have to figure out which talents are stronger than the other options because you won't have all of the traits. It is significantly more confusing / convoluted than Legion weapons. Not being able to switch specs easily wasn't confusing and if anything the gap was smaller between switching specs than ever.

You didn't watch the panel at all. They specifically stated there was no RNG and each item has a specific layout and can see what those traits are in the Dungeon Journal. The item level of the item determines how strong the traits are. So LFR helm would share the same traits as a Mythic helm but the Mythic helm would be stronger.

http://www.wowhead.com/news=275390/b...art-of-azeroth

[YouWillAllAnswerToSithis]

The idea of artifacts losing their power is great, verse actually giving the artifact weapon away.

[rhorle]

Current traits could stay / become baseline where it made sense. Easy enough.

So you want our Artifacts to be "reset" after complaining it makes no sense that they are going away? If you remove all of the traits is it really the same Artifact?

If they can't make talent trees with balanced and viable choices then why are you arguing that the Heart of Azeroth will have balanced and viable choices you have to research? Again your own argument is moot by your own words.

[Jester Joe]

The logical conclusion though is that our Artifacts are no longer powerful because of that act. Just because you use something to absorb power doesn't mean it should automatically become more powerful.

Using your logic all absorbs in the game should never end. Because they are absorbing power and should thus become more powerful. If the energy that you are absorbing is negative it will cancel out the positive energy. We have spent the Legion Campaign powering up the positive of our artifacts. They are the things capable of absorbing and neutralizing the power of the sword of Sargeras because of how much we added to them.

Think of it like this:

Sword of Sargeras is -50.
Our Artifacts are now +50 after all the power we added to them in Legion.

-50+50=0

Get it?

Except that STILL makes no sense, because we've been using the Scepter of Sargeras just fine and powering that up, which is also you know, filled to the brim with Legion/Sargeras power, yet....here we are.

And WoW has shown itself to have no "Negative energy", hell, the whole plot line of Legion has been "use the enemy's power against them". Demon Hunters, and now Void Elves.