Is the USA going to be the last place on earth with freedom of expression protection?

[Super Kami Dende]

Yes because we have freedom of religion.

I don't like Islam or Christianity but I don't condemn three billion people for associating themselves with them.

You don't need to condemn the people associating with something to condemn the Idea. That is where people are retarded these days, they think you shouldn't be able to criticize Ideologies. Whereas criticism of Ideas/Beliefs should be the #1 thing that you should have freedom to do.

It's why Society is where it is. Removing the ability to criticise Ideologies under penalty of Law is literally the most retarded thing anyone could ask for.

[Nitros14]

Your current location doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you almost accidentally quoted 1984 without irony to justify why people with "wrong opinions" should be jailed. But, go ahead and keep saying that your belief system isn't ultimately fascist.

These "wrong opinions" aren't just something arbitrary like disagreeing with the government for any reason. That's how a totalitarian nation is. "Hitler did nothing wrong" is an opinion almost the entire population can agree is bad and not worth having in our society. Even then, no one is being picked up by police in the middle of the night and shot over it.

I will go ahead and say my belief system isn't ultimately fascist.

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You don't need to condemn the people associating with something to condemn the Idea. That is where people are retarded these days, they think you shouldn't be able to criticize Ideologies. Whereas criticism of Ideas/Beliefs should be the #1 thing that you should have freedom to do.

It's why Society is where it is. Removing the ability to criticise Ideologies under penalty of Law is literally the most retarded thing anyone could ask for.

You can criticize ideologies. You can criticize the government. You can even publicly criticize religions. The people being charged for hate speech take it to absurd extremes calling for violence or other action against groups of people.

[Super Kami Dende]

You can criticize ideologies. You can criticize the government. You can even publicly criticize religions. The people being charged for hate speech take it to absurd extremes calling for violence or other action against groups of people.

Like the guy that taught a Pug to Roman Salute as a Joke that is getting tried for Hate Crimes? Please tell me more about how that isn't happening.

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

Well most western nations have freedom of speech and will have it for the foreseeable future. The key difference here is that freedom of speech is not only enshrined in the top spot of the bill of rights (part of the constitution sort of), and is considered nearly sacred by the vast majority of Americans the legal process to get rid of it is pretty much impossible. I am over simplifying here but basically 2/3 of our main legislatures (67+senators lol) or 3/4 of state legislatures would have to be on board. That's kind of the whole point of the constitution it really is a conservatives wet dream... maybe Chicago would be better off with a hand gun ban in the long run maybe not but its a no go because we have a constitution.

So in summary its not that other western countries don't have free speech its that getting rid of free speech protection in the US would be very difficult. I am not saying this doesn't exist in other countries but would it be possible for example in the UK, Canada, France, Germany with a 51% vote in parliament to make bad mouthing the ruling party illegal? Because in the US that is a no go.

[Mihalik]

Europe seems to be slowly slipping into V for Vendetta style dystopias.

Freedom of Speech in 2017 has increasingly become synonymous with the freedom to spew hateful nonsense. How well or not that might be protected globally, I frankly do not know. As an American living in Europe for well over half my life, I never had the sense that people would have had more freedom of expression in the US. On the contrary I always felt that Europeans on average tend to police speech (and behavior in general) less than in the US, where social pressure does most of the actual policing.

When it comes to things that matter, like the actual freedom of the press, the US doesn't even make it into the top 40 globally.

Also, do you realize that V for Vendetta was the nationalist, racist, homophobic, Christian conservative, Fox News being the national television with Alex Jones ranting on TV horror show that Trumpkins and the "anti-PC" crowd would wish was a reality? I think you missed the entire point of that movie.

[Nitros14]

Like the guy that taught a Pug to Roman Salute as a Joke that is getting tried for Hate Crimes? Please tell me more about how that isn't happening.

"A Scottish man who provoked outrage after filming his girlfriend's dog responding to Nazi slogans has been arrested by Lanarkshire police.

Earlier this year Markus Meechan uploaded a video of the dog, a pug named Buddah, responding to the phrase "gas the Jews," raising its paw in an imitation Nazi salute when it heard the words "Sieg Heil", and viewing footage of Hitler giving a speech."

That one? The pug responds to "gas the jews" which is calling for violence against a group of people. He's an idiot if he didn't think that would get him in trouble.

He didn't just say "Here's the reasons why I dislike Judaism".

I imagine he'll get off with nothing though, since he apologized for any offence caused.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/w...ial-media.html

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That doesn't say what they said so it's hard to form an opinion. Regardless, no one was shot over it. If they're making threats and coercing people like the article says though, that's a crime.

Like I said earlier though, all they had to do was be a decent human being and they would've been fine. You really have to go out of your way to get the police interested in you for inciting racial hatred.

[Martymark]

Some opinions are bad. "Hitler did nothing wrong" is a bad opinion and our society is better off without it.

The problem is who gets to decide what is an ILLEGAL THOUGHT. Would you like President Trump to decide? The Republican Supreme Court? How about the Republican Congress or the Republican Senate?

[Nitros14]

The problem is who gets to decide what is an ILLEGAL THOUGHT. Would you like President Trump to decide? The Republican Supreme Court? How about the Republican Congress or the Republican Senate?

Thoughts aren't illegal. Calling for violence against groups of people is.

[schwarzkopf]

The USA currently doesn't have freedom of expression protection @op, so not sure what you are referring to.

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

The USA currently doesn't have freedom of expression protection @op, so not sure what you are referring to.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

There is this.

[schwarzkopf]

There is this.

Indeed... there is no law allowed to be made by CONGRESS.

Doesn't stop state and local governments doing so.
Doesn't stop non government institutions doing so.
Doesn't stop fear of lawsuits stopping free speech.

There are words in the US that cannot even be said as part of a discussion why they shouldn't be said ...

[NihilSustinet]

There is no complete freedom of speech or expression. Thankfully.

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

Indeed... there is no law allowed to be made by CONGRESS.

Doesn't stop state and local governments doing so.
Doesn't stop non government institutions doing so.
Doesn't stop fear of lawsuits stopping free speech.

There are words in the US that cannot even be said as part of a discussion why they shouldn't be said ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York

Your second two points would be an oxymoron, it would be impeding on individuals/NGOs freedom of speech.

[cparle87]

You don't need to condemn the people associating with something to condemn the Idea. That is where people are retarded these days, they think you shouldn't be able to criticize Ideologies. Whereas criticism of Ideas/Beliefs should be the #1 thing that you should have freedom to do.

It's why Society is where it is. Removing the ability to criticise Ideologies under penalty of Law is literally the most retarded thing anyone could ask for.

Are you new here? I'm guessing not by your post count. Endus used to infract anyone who said anything bad about Islam even, I mean, especially if they took quotes right from the Quoran that made them look bad.

[derpkitteh]

i think freedom of thought and expression is probably one of the few things i would legitimately kill and die for.

i hope america remains free, since i have to live here. cause i don't want to have to die(until i know if there's an afterlife), but i would rather die than live in a place i can't speak.

[Preliatus]

Rights are rights.

Freedom is a feeling that's easily inspired in people.

As governments give rights to their citizens the restrictions around those rights become tighter and tighter. Sure you're free to say whatever you want no matter how offensive it might be to anyone, but as soon as you cross into potentially malicious territory you'll no longer have your right to freedom of speech.

Same thing applies to freedom of expression which goes into a grey area fairly quickly.

Now the people that shout that freedom of speech is a right that's given to everyone, and be used anywhere no matter what.. Those are the problematic ones, and more than likely the crazy ones. The ones that see an interconnected community of humans in the grey area of digital communication that is where the "freedom of speech/expression" gets reduced.

You're more accountable to what is shared online than you'd like to believe. If you say that someone should be harmed, and the right people see it then you get into trouble.

As long as you believe that you have rights and freedom from those rights you'll be just fine and the perfect example of how someone with rights should act.

Aside from that, everything is the same as it was twenty years ago. Peachy.

[Zeek Daniels]

Not if our snowflake of a president has anything to say about it.

Pretty sure our president is ok with freely expressing ones self. Better hope non of the crazy leftists get in power because those retards will take away all our rights to have an opinion.

Rights are rights.

Freedom is a feeling that's easily inspired in people.

As governments give rights to their citizens the restrictions around those rights become tighter and tighter. Sure you're free to say whatever you want no matter how offensive it might be to anyone, but as soon as you cross into potentially malicious territory you'll no longer have your right to freedom of speech.

Same thing applies to freedom of expression which goes into a grey area fairly quickly.

Now the people that shout that freedom of speech is a right that's given to everyone, and be used anywhere no matter what.. Those are the problematic ones, and more than likely the crazy ones. The ones that see an interconnected community of humans in the grey area of digital communication that is where the "freedom of speech/expression" gets reduced.

You're more accountable to what is shared online than you'd like to believe. If you say that someone should be harmed, and the right people see it then you get into trouble.

As long as you believe that you have rights and freedom from those rights you'll be just fine and the perfect example of how someone with rights should act.

Aside from that, everything is the same as it was twenty years ago. Peachy.

The reason America does it right with Free speech and freedom of expression is because of two things every person has on this planet. A brain and a mouth. The reason the US has free speech is not because the government gives it per say. Its because the founders recognized that you as a person should not be restricted by what you are able to think or say. Anyone can think anything so therefore we should be able to express our thoughts. We also can talk so we should be able to speak when ever we want.

[taliey]

Freedom of speech is a lot more durable than what people believe whatever state they believe it to be.

[NihilSustinet]

I feel bad for you. Delusions aren't a good thing.

dont even bother. trumptards are experts at double think. Trump can repeatedly talk about suing news organizations for reporting objective facts that disagree with his narrative, and they still support him.

[schwarzkopf]

Your second two points would be an oxymoron

No, because one is done by institutions in advance (e.g. MMO-C preventing me discussing this topic fully).
The other is done after the fact (e.g. by Donald Trump suing a certain fictional book author).