7.3.5 PTR leveling experience...

[schwarzkopf]

The zones scale now so all they had to really do is make the mobs harder not really mess with the reduce the amount of xp.

They are trying to make it that you have a fulfilling experience, and don't have a need to finish a zone half done.

[Queen of Hamsters]

It is funny to me that people think they changed this because they want to sell more boosts. That's a pretty ignorant way to look at it. These changes are made to make leveling a better experience, to give people a reason finish some content.

You think they need those boosts? They don't. You know why? Tokens.

Indeed.

The changes to leveling content has been made after years of feedback from players about how lacking the leveling content has become, where you will spend more time travelling between zones than actually leveling through the zones, and where a level 10 can chain-pull an entire zone and never die.

[ReVnX]

Vanilla was filled with "mouthbreathing idiots at max lvl". So get off your high horse, and realise, that the leveling has never, and will never, be hard in this game.

Vanilla leveling was pretty hardcore for certain classes

[Eleccybubb]

If they are making mobs die 2.5x slower, they should then reward 10x more XP for killing them.

It's really not that slow. On my Hunter and Lock I was 2-3 shotting them at most.

People are blowing how slow it is way out of proportion. It's a tiny bit slower at best.

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Vanilla leveling was pretty hardcore for certain classes

Games that XP loss on death was hardcore leveling because the grinds alone and risk of death was absolutely insane.

FF11 springs immediately to mind and that you really did have to party back then if you wanted to get it done.

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They are trying to make it that you have a fulfilling experience, and don't have a need to finish a zone half done.

See that's what i don't get, we're already getting scaling, which means there's no reason to leave the quests uncompleted. Why also increase the xp needed on top of having mobs take longer to kill?

[Super Kami Dende]

If lvling becomes harder, maybe ppl will get "forced" to use utility/CC skills while lvling, MAYBE we will get less mouthbreathing idiots at max lvl.

You really won't. Mouthbreathers showed they could still get to max level during Vanilla. Even after these changes the only thing they've done is extend the time it takes to level, nothing else.

The increase of EXP is still one of the more dumbfuck choices the Devs decided on for this patch.

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It is funny to me that people think they changed this because they want to sell more boosts. That's a pretty ignorant way to look at it. These changes are made to make leveling a better experience, to give people a reason finish some content.

But the Exp increase literally doesn't make it a better experience. The Scaling does. They needed to choose one or the other. they chose both for idiotic reasons.

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They are trying to make it that you have a fulfilling experience, and don't have a need to finish a zone half done.

pssst.. That's what scaling is for.

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Indeed.

The changes to leveling content has been made after years of feedback from players about how lacking the leveling content has become, where you will spend more time travelling between zones than actually leveling through the zones, and where a level 10 can chain-pull an entire zone and never die.

Neither of those things change with an EXP increase.

[schwarzkopf]

See that's what i don't get, we're already getting scaling, which means there's no reason to leave the quests uncompleted. Why also increase the xp needed on top of having mobs take longer to kill?

Scaling makes a quest more interesting and challenging, however without revisiting the XP - the same number of quests would lead you to the same point in the level as it does now - meaning you'd be leaving a zone BEFORE finishing the story.

The aim is twofold:
1. Make the levelling more challenging (scallling, mob health etc)
2. Make the levelling more interesting (by giving some completion on zone stories - i.e. XP changes).

[Rezark]

You really won't. Mouthbreathers showed they could still get to max level during Vanilla. Even after these changes the only thing they've done is extend the time it takes to level, nothing else.

The increase of EXP is still one of the more dumbfuck choices the Devs decided on for this patch.

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But the Exp increase literally doesn't make it a better experience. The Scaling does. They needed to choose one or the other. they chose both for idiotic reasons.

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pssst.. That's what scaling is for.

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Neither of those things change with an EXP increase.

You have this completely backwards. Scaling will make things live longer but it wont stop you from out leveling a zone. If quests and killing monsters give the same xp you will still out level the zone, even when the mobs are scaled up. Increasing the amount of exp you need means you have to complete more quests in that zone to level, thus, you get to finish zones.

[Deleted]

If they want to make leveling more interesting, these changes in BfA are only the first steps. If Blizzards stops improving the leveling experience after that, they certainly have improved it a bit, but not very much, in my opinion. It will be much better compared to live servers though. And as far as i know, the leveling curve is changing. While you need more time on the lower levels, you should level up faster the higher your level is, compared to live. Which is good i think.

But for the future, i hope we will see things like "World Bosses" for lower level zones, or events, or combine that. Treasures could be a thing too. Maybe even use the Advanced AI for events, give the certain factions you fight in every zone some goals, which they try to accomplish. For example, the centaur in the northern barrens try to eradicate the Horde and erase them from the lands. If no one counters them, they will storm Crossroads and destroy it, until it is retaken. Same could go for the Alliance, like the Defias become active in Elwynn Forest and Westfall, trying to reach certain goals. And as rewards from these, i would like to see more Items for Transmog and such things.

[Super Kami Dende]

You have this completely backwards. Scaling will make things live longer but it wont stop you from out leveling a zone. If quests and killing monsters give the same xp you will still out level the zone, even when the mobs are scaled up. Increasing the amount of exp you need means you have to complete more quests in that zone to level, thus, you get to finish zones.

........I think it is you that has things backwards. Or just struggles at reading comprehension. Because goddamn.

[Ornerybear]

I was under the impression that while it does take more xp, it's not much and they spread the xp ramp up out a bit, so instead of a RAPID level up experience at first and then having it slow down as you get higher levels, instead it will be more gradual. I thought there was a graph somewhere...

[Kraenen]

They are trying to make it that you have a fulfilling experience, and don't have a need to finish a zone half done.

cant you just keep killing the mobs and doing the quests?

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Quests give about 4x more because as you progress through the zone on live they give the same amount but on ptr they keep increasing. Waiting to see a friend do a 1-60 straight but he believes leveling will not be any slower. Maybe even faster if you find the next new trick

[Craaazyyy]

If lvling becomes harder, maybe ppl will get "forced" to use utility/CC skills while lvling, MAYBE we will get less mouthbreathing idiots at max lvl.

i wish they would also increase mobs damage.. cuz you still can pull 10 mobs and not die.. it would only take more time to kill them

[Deleted]

If lvling becomes harder, maybe ppl will get "forced" to use utility/CC skills while lvling, MAYBE we will get less mouthbreathing idiots at max lvl.

leveling does NOT become hard it just takes painfully longer for no reason but "reason"....

[Deleted]

You have this completely backwards. Scaling will make things live longer but it wont stop you from out leveling a zone. If quests and killing monsters give the same xp you will still out level the zone, even when the mobs are scaled up. Increasing the amount of exp you need means you have to complete more quests in that zone to level, thus, you get to finish zones.

How can you outlevel a zone? O_O You can level in Westfall from lvl 10 to lvl 60. The only reason you'd leave a zone is if you've hit lvl 60 in that zone and the diminishing returns kicked in, making you get 90% less xp until you change expansions. You CAN'T outlevel zones, really.

Look, there's way too many leveling zones in WoW, especially in the original 2 continents. There's thousands of quests right there. What do people expect?

If you're THAT hardcore about QUESTING you might as well get to level 40 to unlock the fast mount and use the "stop leveling" feature and then do all the quests in the world.
But yeah i don't think anyone will be doing it.

[Dahij]

Blizzards idea of making things harder is to make things more grindy even if its just killing a boar

But isn't that exactly what the vanilla crowd would want tho? So perhaps they're just trying to get that crowd back.

[Nnyco]

the increased hp was needed since you run around oneshotting everything at low level

[schwarzkopf]

cant you just keep killing the mobs and doing the quests?

You start to outpace the zones, even with the zone scaling.

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leveling does NOT become hard it just takes painfully longer for no reason but "reason"....

The reason it takes longer is because it becomes harder. Just FYI.

[Kraenen]

You start to outpace the zones, even with the zone scaling.

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Right, and?