Communism will win / Elon musk

[TheFirstOnes]

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No.

[Ghostpanther]

North Korea is hardly communism. It's a power-hungry regime funneling resources to the top and away from the people. Communism would be everyone getting a fair share, which clearly isn't what's happening there.

We've never had proper communism, because humans are corruptible and greed will always get to someone.

Then the Soviet Union was not communist if that is true. Stalin killed more of his own people than the Nazi's did. Communism may sound like on paper to mean all is equal, but we know from history, that is bullshit in practice.

[Dundebuns]

No, communism has had its day in the west. Just like capitalism is entering its death throes. The rise of an intermediate between socialism and capitalism will help the human race move forwards.

[Deletedaccount1]

North Korea is hardly communism. It's a power-hungry regime funneling resources to the top and away from the people.

Historically speaking, that is a very accurate description of almost any communist regime.

[Jshadowhunter]

Yeah.... I think not.



If SOCIALISM isn't working what makes you think that COMMUNISM will?
And I'm from the former socialist country and I can vouch that it doesn't work.

[Nihilist74]

While it is well established that communism is inevitable, how and when is still up to debate because of some minor historical setbacks (despite most of them not being actual communism) like the fall of the Soviet Union.

In this thread let's make educated guesses about the coming of the great evening when we will seize the means of productions and eliminate the bourgeois class system.

And my guess is Elon Musk will bring communism when he puts the last nail in the coffin of global capitalism by creating fully automated driverless trucks /taxis and causes 30% of the total workforce to become unemployed. I'm not saying he will do it on purpose but eventually that will be the spark that ignites the revolution as no population except maybe the us will stand massive wealth inequality for that long with no perspective of improvement since the ruling class now own all the robots.

I agree to some extent but it will not be pure communism. It will be like the Kurt Vonnegut book called Jailbird.
The more technology improves, the closer we come to true communism. Better energy production, robots, artificial intelligence and other technologies will make everything much more accessible to everybody. The only thing that will stop this is capitalist entities artificially inflating the cost of things which will still happen but it will be harder for companies to get away with.

[Austilias]

some minor historical setbacks

Like the millions upon millions of deaths, etc

(despite most of them not being actual communism)

[Mihalik]

While it is well established that communism is inevitable, how and when is still up to debate because of some minor historical setbacks (despite most of them not being actual communism) like the fall of the Soviet Union.

In this thread let's make educated guesses about the coming of the great evening when we will seize the means of productions and eliminate the bourgeois class system.

And my guess is Elon Musk will bring communism when he puts the last nail in the coffin of global capitalism by creating fully automated driverless trucks /taxis and causes 30% of the total workforce to become unemployed. I'm not saying he will do it on purpose but eventually that will be the spark that ignites the revolution as no population except maybe the us will stand massive wealth inequality for that long with no perspective of improvement since the ruling class now own all the robots.

The fall of the Soviet Union is most certainly NOT a minor set back. It's was the final nail in the coffin of the idea that a state can be organized on the principles of Communism.

The fact that other self identified Communist nations like China and Vietnam all embraced Capitalism (enthusiastically) in all cases producing significant increases in the standard of living of their citizens also demonstrated that if the economic model of communism is abandoned then the authoritarian governments can actually preserve themselves.

Communism can only really exist in a post scarcity environment. We currently simply do not have the resource and energy abundance required for that.

It is also true that automation will significantly change how our economy works in the near future. We will essentially have a choice to make, soon, we either create strong welfare states and accept that not everyone will be a productive member of society, but we provide them with enough resources to keep them as viable consumers to preserve a functioning economy, or we abandon a significant portion of the population to what is essentially total destitution. The latter would create a nightmarish dystopia.

Something like Universal Basic Income isn't actually a communist idea, but rather a socialist solution within a capitalist environment.

[Frolk]

non-sense

Is this Jaylocks alt account?

[The Stormbringer]

Then the Soviet Union was not communist if that is true. Stalin killed more of his own people than the Nazi's did. Communism may sound like on paper to mean all is equal, but we know from history, that is bullshit in practice.

Historically speaking, that is a very accurate description of almost any communist regime.

Just because something fails in real life application doesn't mean the concept itself is at fault. The execution of communism that we've seen is always flawed, partially because we as a society and civilization aren't ready for it yet, socially and technologically speaking.

[Ghostpanther]

Just because something fails in real life application doesn't mean the concept itself is at fault. The execution of communism that we've seen is always flawed, partially because we as a society and civilization aren't ready for it yet, socially and technologically speaking.

It is flawed. It does not enhance individual drive to better themselves, but preaches a hive mentality. Which is fine for bees. :P

Actually I am much more concerned with socialism, which can be deceiving and is really a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Mihalik]

Yeah.... I think not.
If SOCIALISM isn't working what makes you think that COMMUNISM will?

I'm so tired of this cliche.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-25...ta-1113-907-26

Top 30 poorest countries in the world. EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS FREE MARKETS AND IDENTIFIES AS "CAPITALIST". (North Korea not on the list, because frankly no data is available).

Democratic Socialism is the economic model of literally the entire fucking developed world from Canada to Lichtenstein etc.

Democratic Socialism and Market Capitalism ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

[NineSpine]

It is flawed. It does not enhance individual drive to better themselves, but preaches a hive mentality. Which is fine for bees. :P

Actually I am much more concerned with socialism, which can be deceiving and is really a wolf in sheep's clothing.

What should a society look like where there is only enough work for a small percentage of the population? Seriously, I can't seem to get anyone who opposes socialism to answer that.

[Deletedaccount1]

Just because something fails in real life application doesn't mean the concept itself is at fault. The execution of communism that we've seen is always flawed, partially because we as a society and civilization aren't ready for it yet, socially and technologically speaking.

You are entitled to your opinion but I hold Marx largely accountable for what his followers have done. Marx did not believe in the concept of human nature and had no interest in creating a blueprint for his ideal society.He also embedded his own repugnant views into communism that are entirely rooted in pre-enlightenment ideals.

[Deleted]

Actually I am much more concerned with socialism, which can be deceiving and is really a wolf in sheep's clothing.

And that's why you'll probably miserably die of diabetes or heart disease while bankrupting your entire family because healthcare is private and you won't be able to afford it

I'll keep enjoying the benefits of living in a civilized (read socialist) country and pay taxes that actually serve a purpose other than blow up afghan children with drones

[igualitarist]

I'm so tired of this cliche.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-25...ta-1113-907-26

Top 30 poorest countries in the world. EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS FREE MARKETS AND IDENTIFIES AS "CAPITALIST". (North Korea not on the list, because frankly no data is available).

Democratic Socialism is the economic model of literally the entire fucking developed world from Canada to Lichtenstein etc.

Democratic Socialism and Market Capitalism ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

Most of those poor countries are marked by a long term war, and political instability. So your claim pretty damn dishonest.

Also, all those rich countries are social democracies, which is completely different from democratic socialism.

Social democracy is an ideology that supports government interventions on economy and on society, to promote social justice, but accepting and respecting the principles of capitalism.

Democratic socialism advocates political democracy, but also social ownership of means of production.

So yeah, stop spreading fallacies.

[Ghostpanther]

What should a society look like where there is only enough work for a small percentage of the population? Seriously, I can't seem to get anyone who opposes socialism to answer that.

Chile and in the near future, the USA under Trump. But of course that is not going to be something you will agree with. But at the moment, we are at 4.1 % unemployment in the US. Pretty low.

[Varitok]

Pretty good bait thread though. More likely to see a socialism lead world, considering nearly all countries have some socialist institutions. Constant automation is leading that way anyways. Adapt or die.

[The Stormbringer]

Chile and in the near future, the USA under Trump. But of course that is not going to be something you will agree with. But at the moment, we are at 4.1 % unemployment in the US. Pretty low.

What you're referring to is the U-3 rate of unemployment, also known as people who are in the labor force and/or have looked for a job in the past month. The U-6 rate is actually much closer to reality and that's at about 8.1% as of last month.

TL;DR: Unemployment rates are kind of complicated.

[igualitarist]

Can I please get a single source that points to "communism is coming" even some napkin math by a secretary of treasury. Literally ANYTHING what so ever to back up this literal claim that the sky is falling with not a drop of evidence around.

The source is the wet dreams of the commies (including closet commies) of this forum.