Slaveri is not a white on black crime. It's a rich on poor crime.

[NineSpine]

Yet forced slavery brought in a massive population of genetics that otherwise was never going to come to the country (in that time period). America was already starting to become genetically diverse over a hundred years before people began to immigrate in mass to it.

And while many southern states created anti-miscegenation laws, that sure as hell didn't mean race mixing wasn't happening.

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Because it's true lol.

Or, rather, it's more like "there are objective positives, or at least non-negatives, to slavery as opposed to it being 'good' because of genetic and cultural diversities".

By your logic, mass rape in wartime has objective positives because it increases diversity.

[therealstegblob]

Slavery didn't actually create diversity though, because slaves were intentionally and systematically stripped of their cultural heritage. The development of slave, and ultimately African-America, cultures was an after-the-fact necessity. The destruction of slavery is what brought that culture to the rest of America.

Well first of all, it's not just a cultural diversity but a genetic diversity. Second of all, your post is factually incorrect.

While the native culture of the slaves were stripped from them upon becoming slaves in America, they still kept parts of their culture in tact and developed new ones as enslaved people. Once slavery ended, their culture only developed further. While it's true that the end of slavery allowed that culture to develop and change (and further mix with the other cultures existing in the country), to try saying slaves had no culture of their own (both old cultures held on from their people's previous life in another part of the world and newly developed cultures created in enslavement) is untrue.

[NineSpine]

They do have a major issue with slavery still to this very day though. More slaves there today then the us ever had if i recall correct.

They don't have a major issue with racially-based chattel slavery. The U.S. had about 30M people when the Civil War began. Africa has 1.2B people today. Comparing slavery numbers is an irrational distraction when the U.S. had 2% the people.

[therealstegblob]

By your logic, mass rape in wartime has objective positives because it increases diversity.

That is also true, yes. A large number of people traveling across the globe and raping people on the other side of it is something that increases the genetic diversity.

We can play this little game all day. It doesn't matter how butthurt you are.

Again, do note that the point isn't "slavery/mass rape is actually good!", it's "tragedies such as slavery or mass rape are things that have a noticeable effect on genetic diversity for generations to come".

[satimy]

You mean the same Africa that was destroyed by the same people as North America. Or Asia let see pollution, over population, global warming, literally destroying the planet itself.

Better or worse depending who’s perspective you mean

Such high immigration rates to African countries

[NineSpine]

Well first of all, it's not just a cultural diversity but a genetic diversity. Second of all, your post is factually incorrect.

While the native culture of the slaves were stripped from them upon becoming slaves in America, they still kept parts of their culture in tact and developed new ones as enslaved people. Once slavery ended, their culture only developed further. While it's true that the end of slavery allowed that culture to develop and change (and further mix with the other cultures existing in the country), to try saying slaves had no culture of their own (both old cultures held on from their people's previous life in another part of the world and newly developed cultures created in enslavement) is untrue.

Slaves were banned from even keeping their names. A culture developed because there were people whose culture and heritage was robbed from them. That's not a positive consequence. That's like saying a positive consequence of slavery is that at some point it ended.

[ParanoiD84]

They don't have a major issue with racially-based chattel slavery. The U.S. had about 30M people when the Civil War began. Africa has 1.2B people today. Comparing slavery numbers is an irrational distraction when the U.S. had 2% the people.

Nah they just sell their own people into slavery like back in the days. Money before everything else i guess.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Seeing as you seem to think the only slaves in history were black folks and the only folks who enslaved were white folks, id say you are the one who got their info from some random youtube video. Nice projection there Mr racist.

Conan the Barbarian was not based on a true story. Indentured servitude is not the same as slavery and black people buying other black people out of slavery isn’t the same thing either.

You have zero idea what you are talking about.

[NineSpine]

That is also true, yes. A large number of people traveling across the globe and raping people on the other side of it is something that increases the genetic diversity.

We can play this little game all day. It doesn't matter how butthurt you are.

Again, do note that the point isn't "slavery/mass rape is actually good!", it's "tragedies such as slavery or mass rape are things that have a noticeable effect on genetic diversity for generations to come".

No, your point is that the genetic diversity is ultimately a good, and it actually isn't. Do you know WHY mass rape is used during ethnic cleansing? Because it helps to eradicate the people being raped. That's not a positive.

[kingj56]

Black people have tried several times. Civil rights era was all about blacks fighting the system of racism and not the people upholding it. Wanting to be able to vote without having to take an overly complicated test. Wanting to go to the same schools and universities. Wanting to be able to use the same places to eat and shit. All those were system implemented by the rich but the poor had to step in and uphold those systems. Even tho segregation was bad for business cause you were losing money due to people not being able to spend at your place of business. Still the poor whites choose to do their best to keep these systems around. Its like you are asking prisoners to get to the warden but dont go through the guards. Its not going to happen man.

A man was running for major office in Alabama (cant remember the name for the life of me, think he was Bull Connor). He believed that if the whites and blacks came together he would be elected and he would do everything in his power to change how the poor were treated in Alabama for both white and black. Look this up but Alabama was damn near a third world country man. Before Fed. Min. wage was put into place. Alabama was China in terms of people being paid for work. Cents on the dollar literally. I digress, he went to every major town a to talk to the poor whites cause blacks were on board. The poor whites told him "we would rather be poor, than work with niggers". This is literally what they said.

Its not that bad today and things have progressed but we still have alot to do when it comes to seeing each other as brothers and sisters of the same race (human). Thats what it means to fight racism on an individual level first. We have to see ourselves and others as total equals to free our souls from the hatred and lies racism implanted. Then we can stop it at the source.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Such high immigration rates to African countries

Yes and stolen and wasted resources like the Black Hills in North America.

[NineSpine]

Nah they just sell their own people into slavery like back in the days. Money before everything else i guess.

The fact that you think everyone in Africa is "their own people", when it is actually a continent with dozens of countries, thousands of individual languages, thousands of peoples, and 1.2 billion human beings demonstrates a profound degree of racism.

[Ehrenpanzer]

It was both.

How many slaves in the US were white Americans?

Its adorable you think you can cherry pick one tiny segment of human history to make a strawman fallacy

[ParanoiD84]

The fact that you think everyone in Africa is "their own people", when it is actually a continent with dozens of countries, thousands of individual languages, thousands of peoples, and 1.2 billion human beings demonstrates a profound degree of racism.

So they are not africans?

[Jinpachi]

It was both.

How many slaves in the US were white Americans?

No it wasnt. did you even read the goddamn article?

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Just the etymology of the word ‘slave’ shows that white people have been enslaved.

Every group has been both slavers and slaves.

Thank you.

[Themius]

You can't be serious...
Of course they knew that slaves would be treated as slaves a.k.a. property.
That's a ridiculous argument to make. "Oh they were good people they thought they were helping those people, sending them to a promised land where they will be cared for... but those evil whites!".

Who did what? What do you think "supply" is? If you blame white people for slavery, you should blame blacks even MORE. Because blacks were at the root of the business-chain. It's a human thing. All were involved.

Of course they knew they would be used as slaves but if you think all slavery is equal then you are fooling yourself.

[therealstegblob]

No, your point is that the genetic diversity is ultimately a good, and it actually isn't. Do you know WHY mass rape is used during ethnic cleansing? Because it helps to eradicate the people being raped. That's not a positive.

What the actual fuck are you talking about you MMOChampion dumpster lol.

Who was talking about 'rape during an ethic cleansing in order to help eradicate the people being ethnically cleansed'? You're insane. Try not to make up your own version of reality just because you've lost so badly in the real version of it, okay?

Now, to correct your ridiculous post: We're not talking about rape happening during some hypothetical ethnic cleansing. Rather, it's sort of like the rape of western European women by eastern European Russians/other genetic groups during World War 2. Were the rapes 'good' things? No, absolutely not. Was it a spread of genetics that otherwise wouldn't have happened (or at least not so quickly)? Absolutely.

[Jinpachi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon...son_(colonist)

Whites and blacks came over as indentured servants. Technically, a black man owned white (majority) and black "indentured servants", and it was his case that gave to a legal life "slave" legally. I feel like there is a lot of importance/significance there that people sort of throw out the window. It was an everyone issue.

It also shows how weak we are as a species to dwell on ancestral history, preventing us from moving forward. Again, both sides. No one should be accountable for slave trades that happened around the world back then. If anything, we had brave enough people here to put an end to it, but people are far more likely to lay into the victim card than see any type of bigger picture.

No worries, we're not accountable at all, despite all of the bitching about it.

[NineSpine]

So they are not africans?

They exist on the same continent, which is an arbitrary marker. An Egyptian and a Namibian live about as far away from each other as a Brazilian and a New Yorker. They don't even speak languages from the same language family. They have about as much in common as the average French person and the average Chinese person.

Contrary to your deluded, irrational, racist beliefs, Africa is not a homogenous mass of indistinguishable black and brown people.

[therealstegblob]

Slaves were banned from even keeping their names. A culture developed because there were people whose culture and heritage was robbed from them. That's not a positive consequence. That's like saying a positive consequence of slavery is that at some point it ended.

If you think that the only culture someone can have is their name then, well, that's not surprising to me in the least. Good luck.