James Damore Suing Google, do you think he has a case?

[Xirrohon]

And I would point out that he was more likely fired because he disrupted his workplace and made his employer look bad.

Further, I still want to know why a lot of people who are discussing this generally aren't for anti-discrimination legislation being enacted to protect other groups.

Well, he presents a pretty good case for himself in the filing. Lots of internal Google messages/emails attached too.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3686...een&from_embed

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Yes

That's one. Thank you.

Because Google said it was ok when they told all of their employees that Google was a safe space where they could share their opinions without fear of repercussions. After releasing it, many within the company took offense and Google claimed that his memo "went too far" in that it perpetuated negative stereotypes of women.

Which would constitute a disruption of the workplace. My current boss would say the same thing, but if you consider that an open invitation to say something that is going to disrupt your work environment then, yeah, you should get canned.

Has tact gone out the window now?

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Well, he presents a pretty good case for himself in the filing. Lots of internal Google messages/emails attached too.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3686...een&from_embed

Again, allegedly, and some are pretty damn far-fetched as others point out. It'll be settled in court.

I will say this, though. It's pretty funny that no one else is getting this kind of press when they got fucked over.

[Sliske]

“perceived conservative political views by Google,”

James Damore, a former Google engineer who was fired in August after posting a memo to an internal Google message board arguing that women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering

So this doesn't add up. Either the reason he was fired was false, or hes filing a lawsuit for no reason at all. Thinking women are mentally inferior is not a conservative view. In fact, its not a political view at all. If that was the reason google fired him, they fired him for being an asshole. A judge will view this exactly the same way I did and throw this case out.

[RyanEX]

I know this is a difficult concept for some of you, but there is a word called "tact." This notion that saying what is on your mind and screaming that you suffered consequences for it has really got to stop.

I mean, seriously, rule one of employment is don't give your employer a reason to fire you. Second is, don't make your team reluctant to work with you. He did both.

And I know this is a difficult concept for you to understand but he did exercise "tact". He wrote the memo and presented it privately. It rubbed someone the wrong way, so make a point they publicised it and Google caved in to the SJW shrieklords and fired him for "wrongthink".

Now if he'd been the one to post it up for everyone to see after writing it I'd agree that he was probably asking for it. But to say he was "asking for it" after passing it off privately is like blaming the woman that gets raped for wearing a short skirt. Unless of course it's by a person of certain belief....then, yeah...

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Putting them into groups is a step in the wrong direction though, it's causing divides and segregation again. Since all bolded can easily just be "A Person" since all 3 descriptions can just be "A human being".

Well segregation is kinda what they want.

[I Push Buttons]

Which would constitute a disruption of the workplace. My current boss would say the same thing, but if you consider that an open invitation to say something that is going to disrupt your work environment then, yeah, you should get canned.

Your business, the standards of other businesses, etc., are not Google. They specifically encouraged people to speak up about these things without fear of reprisal... If rocking the boat wasn't allowed then what purpose did the policy have? None. And this isn't some offhanded comment or some pseudo policy some random mid level manager made up one day... That policy was one of the cornerstones of their business and their employment atmosphere and has been touted by them for years. Which is, once again, why this story blew up, because their actions were directly counter to that policy.

Was tact gone out the window now?

Some people are socially retarded. Especially in the tech industry.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

And I know this is a difficult concept for you to understand but he did exercise "tact".

Hey look, Ryan is back and he can't stop insulting people. Edgy.

He wrote the memo and presented it privately. It rubbed someone the wrong way, so make a point they publicised it and Google caved in to the SJW shrieklords and fired him for "wrongthink".

It got around the entire company. That's kind of the point. That's not "tact" by any stretch of the imagination. Google is in the business to make money, and if enough people are uncomfortable with someone for these sorts of reasons they get canned. Are you actually arguing that you can present anything you want as long as it doesn't get out?

Now if he'd been the one to post it up for everyone to see after writing it I'd agree that he was probably asking for it. But to say he was "asking for it" after passing it off privately is like blaming the woman that gets raped for wearing a short skirt. Unless of course it's by a person of certain belief....then, yeah...

Yeah, that's a normal comparison.

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Your business, the standards of other businesses, etc., are not Google. They specifically encouraged people to speak up about these things without fear of reprisal... If rocking the boat wasn't allowed then what purpose did the policy have? None. And this isn't some offhanded comment or some pseudo policy some random mid level manager made up one day... That policy was one of the cornerstones of their business and their employment atmosphere and has been touted by them for years. Which is, once again, why this story blew up, because their actions were directly counter to that policy.

Which, again, isn't actually an excuse. You said it yourself:

Some people are socially retarded. Especially in the tech industry.

That is not actually a defense. Really, how hard is it to grasp that there are social lines you shouldn't cross in life when presenting your thoughts?

[Super Kami Dende]

Not if their religious idea was that certain genders were inferior according to their religion and the company should therefore delegate them to proper woman roles...

Which ironically is a major part of many religions. But at what point does religious discrimination end and sexist discrimination begin in that sort of situation?

[Sunseeker]

Someone's back from vacation.

[I Push Buttons]

That is not actually a defense. Really, how hard is it to grasp that there are social lines you shouldn't cross in life when presenting your thoughts?

For millions of people, it is literally impossible due to autism or other mental ailments.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

For millions of people, it is literally impossible due to autism or other mental ailments.

I knew you'd go there. I worked in special ed (the job I got shitcanned from), and I worked with a bunch of aspies (still a common term in sped) and a few kids who were pretty hard on the scale. None of those that were destined to function in society couldn't be taught what social boundaries were.

I'm fairly certain I have kids on the scale now too, but because of their parents or their home school they've never been tested. They're the ones who don't know boundaries because they've never been enforced, usually due to shitty home lives.

I don't see an aspie who attended Harvard not knowing this wide of a social line. And even if he didn't, it's not an excuse.

[cuafpr]

even if he is right.. he doesn't stand chance .

[Deleted]

What? Are you implying I'm going to get a ban or something because of my post? You've made a post that is awful even by MMOChampion standards. That's almost kind of scary.

You expect anything else from NeoGaf 2.0 ?

[bladeXcrasher]

That will be so fun to see STEMlords (IE, people with a videogame design from DeVry and who spend their days posting edgelords stuff) pretend that if they are not the CEO of Google, that's because of ''duh feminists'' (and likely the Jews)

STEMlords? WTF is wrong with you?

[Mormolyce]

Nice argument

Wish I could say the same.

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It is always an interesting moment when one unintentionally mocks themselves. The debate would be better suited to an environment bereft of attacks. Discuss the idea, not the person.

Dextro apparently wasn't interested in that.

[satimy]

Wish I could say the same.

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Dextro apparently wasn't interested in that.

Still not an argument

[Tabrotar]

Now we're reduced to name calling? You know nothing about me, and, hey, I'm actually going through this for being trans. I'm still less than sympathetic to this guy.

Why?

Circulating a ten page memo that embarrasses his employer and makes his colleagues uncomfortable. I sure as shit wouldn't want to work with him.

According to another poster his "shitty memo" which "makes his colleagues uncomfortable" circulated for quite some time (aka months) in their intraweb so how could it be that if they haven´t taken it down for such a long time hm?

[WskyDK]

Lol @ the smoking gun documents.

I hope this fuckwit's case depends on them, because at best they don't help his case, and at worst they show an organization committed to diversity.

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According to another poster his "shitty memo" which "makes his colleagues uncomfortable" circulated for quite some time (aka months) in their intraweb so how could it be that if they haven´t taken it down for such a long time hm?

Becasuse permissions are a thing.

[Aurrora]

Google is actually in the shit over discrimination right now, it's just not against this guy who wrote a manifesto calling his female coworkers biologically inferior and looked surprised when he got fired.

Have you actually read the memo or are you just parroting what journos have told you to say about it? If you've actually read it and that was your takeaway you're seriously lacking in reading comprehension.

[Venant]

Lol @ the smoking gun documents.

I hope this fuckwit's case depends on them, because at best they don't help his case, and at worst they show an organization committed to diversity.

Apparently they show that there is somebody working at Google that sexually identifies as a 'yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin and 'an expansive ornate building' who gave a talk about living as a 'plural being'. Truly, we have reached peak diversity.

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Lmfao. Please tell me that’s real. I’m dieing. Curse, how did you let this site get so out of hand?

reading about whats in some of these documents about the 'diversity initiatives' at Google gives you a glimpse into what happens when an organization is SJW converged.

[Mormolyce]

What gave you any impression we are discussing a man being fired? Last I checked this topic is about a class action discrimination suit against google for leaked documents showing how they treat white males. If the leaked documents are proven to be true I’m disgusted by google and how they treat innocent humans for how they are born. Disgusting. Shame on them and anyone who would defend it.

Is the suit not seeking damages for the fired individual?

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Have you actually read the memo or are you just parroting what journos have told you to say about it? If you've actually read it and that was your takeaway you're seriously lacking in reading comprehension.

"Parroting what journos have told me"?

There is an ongoing investigation into Google over systemic discrimination by the US Labour Department. They've accused Google of "extreme" pay discrepancies. Fact.

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Still not an argument

Nor is that.