Void for the Horde

[Friendlyimmolation]

"Yeah guys, let's be friends and FORGE A NEW WORLD RULED BY THE ITS TRUE MASTERS together!"

*Liadrin screeching*

[Projectmars]

That part of the story would be written differently or the blood elves shown to want to master the void after finding a way to safeguard the sunwell. Alleria could be invited back as some sort of gesture to train them or they get trained by Leywalker ethereal directly. I dunno, I'm sure they'll figure something out for that if they were going to do it. Anyway, the whole void elf/nightborne thing is still PTR remember.

Or just keep the Void Elves away from The Sunwell because it isn’t a good idea for them to be there. There’s no good reason for the Alliance to have that garbage join.

[Maljinwo]

*Liadrin screeching*

That reminds me... What if we sent Liadrin to fight the Draenei? How many hooves would she polish with her tongue?

[Friendlyimmolation]

That reminds me... What if we sent Liadrin to fight the Draenei? How many hooves would she polish with her tongue?

Just tell her they threaten the sunwell and she will be covered in so much blue blood she’ll be mistaken for a void elf

[MrSaggins]

'Yeah, so i know you support our enemy, and train their soldiers, but could you visit from time to time and train our troops as well ?"

Shit writes itself.

Makes about as much sense as High Elves at the Sunwell or Troll druids in Moonglade.

[Arrashi]

Makes about as much sense as High Elves at the Sunwell or Troll druids in Moonglade.

Erm, no ? High elves are allowed to visit sunwell, because its their cultural heritage. And they are there as elves, not as members of alliance. On top of that, chances are more "rabid" speciments would be supervised during their visit.

As for troll druids, whats difficult to understand ? Moonglade is neutral center of druidism. If tauren are allowed there, its only logical to let trolls as well.

[ohwell]

You do realize that the Light also reacts very violently too Death magic, right? That's literally why Paladins are so effective against the Undead. And you know Light is heavily associated with Life, and is described as the source of it, right?

We've also seen that Void has clear necromantic properties. I don't give a fuck about what's adjacent to what. I'm saying Life and Light are related. Likewise, Void and Death share a similar relationship.

Light can easily harm fel which has nothing to do with void. Void is not linked to Death.

[Beloren]

Makes about as much sense as High Elves at the Sunwell or Troll druids in Moonglade.

Erm, no ? High elves are allowed to visit sunwell, because its their cultural heritage. And they are there as elves, not as members of alliance. On top of that, chances are more "rabid" speciments would be supervised during their visit.

As for troll druids, whats difficult to understand ? Moonglade is neutral center of druidism. If tauren are allowed there, its only logical to let trolls as well.

I think he was pointing out Alleria training horde void elves is not too dissimilar to those two situations.

[KrakHed]

Light can easily harm fel which has nothing to do with void. Void is not linked to Death.

It's effect on the Undead is much more heavily emphasized in the lore than any effect on Fel.

And next you're going to tell me that Light has no connection to Life. Sure, Druidic magic isn't much like Light magic at all, but life is literally described as originating from Light. That is to say, even though Life is a different school from Light, it was born from the Light.

Since Void was very clearly shown as tied to various Death Priests and Necromancers on Draenor, and Decay is ever so often used in service of the Void or even literally called "Void" in quest text for whatever reason, it's reasonable to assume they're related. Are we going to start arguing that Death and Decay aren't closely related schools of magic? Or that Life and Spirit have nothing in common? Let's not be fucking obtuse here.

Certain magic schools definitely have closer affinities than others. Death and Decay have clear Void affinities. Life and Spirit have clear Light affinities.

Likewise, you probably think that because Arcane and Fel are the official Order and Chaos, Light and Void aren't also obvious powers of Order and Chaos that are repeatedly and clearly highlighted as such. It's only natural that Light would oppose Fel on an Order/Chaos scale. Likewise, we often see Void being used in tandem with Fel, when it comes to Warlocks. That's right. Even the primary Fel users make heavy use of Void.

So, let's stop being stupid. Void and Light are the parent powers. Literally everything else comes from them. Even Life is in some way irrevocably linked to the Void. That's what separates it from Light. However, Death is clearly a much closer relative. Similarly, the chaotic aspects of Fel are clearly far more in tune with Void than they are with Light. Likewise, we also have a fucking magic pool and Moon Goddess that shows how well Arcane and Light can be fused.

[Zulkhan]

Light can easily harm fel which has nothing to do with void. Void is not linked to Death.

Undead and Necromancy are tied to the realm of Decay.

Dark Shamanism is told to exploit the Decay realm in order to bend and enslave the elements.

The Warsong clan of AU Draenor exploited the Void originating from Oshu'gun to bend and enslave elementals.

Does it really need to get more blatant than that?

[KrakHed]

Does it really need to get more blatant than that?

Or in short, Void is a power of chaos, hunger, oblivion, and all that fun stuff. Light is one of creation and order.

Naturally, Death is closer to Oblivion than it is to Creation. Naturally, Life is closer to Creation than Oblivion.

Same goes for Fel and Chaos, or Arcane and Order.

[Big Mama]

Lilian Voss would have been a great choice if and only if she gets more story development in the near future. And also a brand new, more human-like model.
Her initial story back in the Cataclysm might have been a bit "cliché", but I still do think she has a lot of potential as a character.

[TheImperios]

The Horde does not need a light and void dichotomy because its races believe in balance.

Take trolls, for example, their loas give both light and shadow magic (Zandalari even had paladins), and the Forsaken believe in the balance of Light and Shadow. They do not see the Light and the Void as enemies but as parts of the singular whole.

[Maljinwo]

Lilian Voss would have been a great choice if and only if she gets more story development in the near future. And also a brand new, more human-like model.

Can Forsaken have a decent character that actually looks like them?

[Aucald]

Lilian Voss would have been a great choice if and only if she gets more story development in the near future. And also a brand new, more human-like model.
Her initial story back in the Cataclysm might have been a bit "cliché", but I still do think she has a lot of potential as a character.

Why would she get a human-like model? She's a Forsaken hero, after all; it would probably be best for her to have a Forsaken model.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Why would she get a human-like model? She's a Forsaken hero, after all; it would probably be best for her to have a Forsaken model.

She’s not Forsaken though.

[Dagoth Ur]

Can Forsaken have a decent character that actually looks like them?

Agreed! Really not fan of what they did with Nathanos' new model. Doesn't even look like Forsaken/Undead anymore.

[Aucald]

She’s not Forsaken though.

She "racially" Forsaken in that she's an undead specimen raised by a Val'kyr, though not involved with the Forsaken government in any real sense. After her intro involving killer Gebler she passed into duty under High Executor Derrington, wanting to avenge herself on the Crusade. She's got an on-again, off-again affiliation if nothing else, and she definitely encapsulates some key points of the Forsaken creed.

[Maljinwo]

Agreed! Really not fan of what they did with Nathanos' new model. Doesn't even look like Forsaken/Undead anymore.

Maybe Redpath was right.
Only Forsaken with elbows can rule them all

[Friendlyimmolation]

Maybe Redpath was right.
Only Forsaken with elbows can rule them all

He took a mortal blow to his body for his sacrilege