Antorus - what will be the big nerf?

[Keashaa]

Isn't titanforging and artifact power basically the nerf already? and has been the whole expansion for all the raids?

We already are at a point where artifact power gives only little advantage as you need more and more time for another point. Titanforged is nice but you also hit a point where farming a lower difficulty for one item with five more item level isn't worth the time. That's why I'm sure there will be a heavy nerf in one or another way. One method will be allowing upgrades player have to earn by themselves so players are occupied. An easier method will be a hard damage and hp nerf. The nicest method will be allowing a third legendary because...
- it's a flat upgrade (item level 1000)
- you gain another special effect from the item
- during the initial time of legion they said they would increase the legendary limit

And even this could be a nightmare, who cares? The mythic race is over, now it's all about keeping the players occupied for the time until BfA.

[killwithpwr]

It would be great if they just remove Legendary cap in the last patch or in 8.0 so we can go mayhem

It would be fun... But i think some specs will jist be op af while others who only have a low amount of good leggos will benefit much less...
Being a Ret Paladin tho, i think for me its gonna be insane...

[Arainie]

We already are at a point where artifact power gives only little advantage as you need more and more time for another point. Titanforged is nice but you also hit a point where farming a lower difficulty for one item with five more item level isn't worth the time. That's why I'm sure there will be a heavy nerf in one or another way. One method will be allowing upgrades player have to earn by themselves so players are occupied. An easier method will be a hard damage and hp nerf. The nicest method will be allowing a third legendary because...
- it's a flat upgrade (item level 1000)
- you gain another special effect from the item
- during the initial time of legion they said they would increase the legendary limit

And even this could be a nightmare, who cares? The mythic race is over, now it's all about keeping the players occupied for the time until BfA.

It was never stated during early Legion they would increase the limit, the only thing that was said was that they were considering perhaps introducing a 3rd legendary at some point. Ever since 7.1 the attitude to a third legendary changed quite a bit judging by the Q&As, mostly because a third legendary potentially occupies a 3rd tier slot AND the legendary balance is so incredibly different from spec to spec that a fairly extensive spec tuning patch would be required if that was the case.

[Deleted]

It would be great if they just remove Legendary cap in the last patch or in 8.0 so we can go mayhem

As a druid I could probably have a legendary in every single slot, even if it's just for the stat boost. Wouldn't want to be a DH though. :P

[Alkavar]

As a druid I could probably have a legendary in every single slot, even if it's just for the stat boost. Wouldn't want to be a DH though. :P

Why not? We'd have a legendary in every slot too o.o

[Ealyssa]

It's called pantheon trinket upgrade.
1000ilvl trinkets will be a strong nerf.

And we may see a new round of AK increase.

I don't think we'll see anything more. Antorus is quite easy, natural ilvl increase is more than enough to clear it, even by the "average" guilds. And a direct increase of players strenght would affect everything else outside raiding.

[Deleted]

Why not? We'd have a legendary in every slot too o.o

Hmm, you're right, didn't think there's enough to cover all slots for DH.

[SupBrah]

I'll wager they'll allows us to wear an extra legendary by March or whatever.

This would be the easiest and funnest way to handle a nerf TBH. Imagine being a guardian druid and being able to use Fury of Nature, Lady and the Child, AND either Elize/Luffas

It would be great if they just remove Legendary cap in the last patch or in 8.0 so we can go mayhem

This would be AMAZING but it would have to be the 8.0 prepatch. Otherwise Cutting Edge Mythic Argus kills would become way too easy.

[Deleted]

changing legendarie equip count would be a balance nightmare, because many classes benefit alot from a third one while others benefit near zero

Why be concerned with balance when the expansion is done and the legendaries are just about gone? In SoO stacking Arcane Mages was the best recipe for success to clear Mythic on farm.

Blizzard can let people have some silly fun when ranks and whatever don't matter anymore. Besides that, there's no "zero" benefit from third legendaries anymore. Simply their ilvl value makes a lot of third legendaries valid. Sure, some classes will benefit more, but who even cares at this point?

[ReVnX]

Pantheon trinkets, titanforging and AP are the nerfs

[Ophenia]

I think it will be either new Artifact Knowledge levels or a new currency/item that upgrades your weapon +1 directly (like once you have all your Pantheon Blessings or added on Argus weekly kill).

I firmly believe the Antorus nerf lies in the Artifact top-level that was raised from 102 to 152 recently in a PTR build. As it is currently in-achievable (3,7 billion Argus WQ/Invasions at AK55)...

[Twdft]

It would be great if they just remove Legendary cap in the last patch or in 8.0 so we can go mayhem

That would be great fun and I want it, but sadly it'll never happen because pvp.

[mmocfd1b0ab5a3]

That would be great fun and I want it, but sadly it'll never happen because pvp.

Adding something like "empowered by Pantheon" style effect (works only in Antorus) would be enough for me

[Spotnick]

Going to assume a progressive buff to the pantheon proc.

Because right now it's very lame.

Aggaramar and Argus will have targeted nerfs, but the others don't need them.

[Advo]

The instance will already see a soft nerf over time with the pantheons blessing boosting your trinket each week, and slowly upgrading your BIS with WF/TF drops.

If completion rates are as horrid as ToS a few months from now, maybe theyll do an incremental blanket health and damage nerf to the mobs.

[Deleted]

The only boss that will have a nerf is Argus, other bosses are not even in Sass'zine post-nerf level, except for Aggramar.

[Deleted]

with the ilvl squish were getting the impact could probably be managed or at least concealed. but yeah it will never happen, there are too many people who simply don't have one legendary for each and every equipment slot.

I didn't mean that, I ment that if we had one insanely overpowered week with all legendarys and then we would have to go back to old 2 legendary equipped for the BFA launch leveling, it would just suck. Only thing I am sure about is that they won't let us wear all the legendarys when BFA launches, since it would definitely fuck up the leveling race. Thus why I don't see why they would like to do something that unbalances the game for lulz for one week and then make it back to normal.

The fact that we lose artifact weapon and legendarys may already be HUGE impact for some classes from the pov of how class is actually played & playstyle.

[GreenJesus]

Antorus is easy enough already. Antorus actually deserves buffs more than nerfs.

[kamuimac]

It would be fun... But i think some specs will jist be op af while others who only have a low amount of good leggos will benefit much less...
Being a Ret Paladin tho, i think for me its gonna be insane...

it would be fun - but as we know fun is not allowed in wow atm .

tbh they should allow 1-2 extra legendary each month now since expansion is over .

[krl]

- TF gear from HC clears and m+
- AP
- Pantheon trinkets ilvl
- Pantheon trinkets raid coverage: in a few weeks, we'll have a lot of Pantheon power activation. 1/3 raid covered means activation once in a blue moon. 2/3 covered will activate several times per fights.

I don't think we'll see a 3rd Legion legendary allowed as it will wreak the specs balance, which is quite good, whiners notwithstanding.
HC Coven might be nerfed as the current PuG killer.