Slaveri is not a white on black crime. It's a rich on poor crime.

[ablock87]

It was both.

How many slaves in the US were white Americans?

Slavery exists outside of the US + Slavery existed BEFORE the US. In a lot of cases, it has nothing to do with race at all.

[Spiffums]

Thing is, no matter how much people wanted to hate on the Irish, the whole thing breaks down because after a generation or so nobody can fucking tell who is Irish and who isn't.

Give them Whiskey and you can tell!!!!

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Yeah we definitely didn't treat black people like they were subhuman or anything, not about race guys.


You should. This forum is ridiculous.

Maybe you should have treated black people better.

[Daelak]

Okay, I was just making a point, that even though the white nationalist/neo nazis are what is mainly covered in the news. They aren't even the biggest "hate" group. Yet they get all the coverage in the news.

No they don't. SPLC, DOJ, and the FBI regularly release reports on all hate groups in the US. The reason why white nationalists and neo-nazi's are in the news is due to senior Trump Administration officials, non-official mouthpieces, and conservative "influencers" keep echoing/retweeting/downplaying the same sentiments espoused by the hate groups.

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Blacks just use it for political reasons and entitlement.

Yeah that MLK, that entitled son of a bitch had it coming for him right?

[Vash The Stampede]

Slavery existed before and after the white men took advantage of it. Before Africans, the Europeans would often take in criminals just for the free labor. White people usually as there was no other source of cheap labor. That is until the Africans started to sell their people to the white men. It's not like the white men went to Africa and started to farm for wild black men, but there was people rounded up by black men to sell black men.

Keep in mind that slavery for white men ended because we knew it was wrong. At least some of us did. Not so much African countries. Today the best countries to live in is America, Australia, Canada, and Europe. Doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, these are still the best places to live in the world, and they're mostly populated by white people.

[StayTuned]

Slavery exists outside of the US + Slavery existed BEFORE the US. In a lot of cases, it has nothing to do with race at all.

Yes, I know that. And?

[Rhamses]

African slave owners treated their slaves better than US slaver owners?

Considering that in Africa a slave could rise in rank to become a member of the household, or even hold political office, I would say yes.

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Slavery existed before and after the white men took advantage of it. Before Africans, the Europeans would often take in criminals just for the free labor. White people usually as there was no other source of cheap labor. That is until the Africans started to sell their people to the white men. It's not like the white men went to Africa and started to farm for wild black men, but there was people rounded up by black men to sell black men.

You seem to have missed the part where the white men headed to Africa to get slaves because they had all but wiped out the original slaves in the Americas; Native Americans.

[Kalis]

"The suppression of freedom of thought."

Or, for the standard reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police

By the usage of 1984, then no is the answer.

I support legal actions against people by their actions, not by their thoughts.

If someone has expressed a desire to molest children, would you allow them unrestricted and unsupervised access to your kids? Or would you take the sensible course of action and not let them anywhere near your children?

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As for modern day slavery, it's an alt-right on the rest of humanity crime. It's obvious to see there's only one party advocating for both the exploitation of the poor and the pandering to the rich.

Most modern slavery is in Asia and Africa, and has absolutely nothing to do with the alt-right, nor any other Western political ideology, but don’t let reality get in the way of your lunacy.

[Stabbyfists]

It was both.

How many slaves in the US were white Americans?

The Irish indentured servitude comes to mind. In exchange for employers ponying up the money for their immigration, they would enter into contracts for little pay and horrible housing conditions. Which not on the level of black slavery was still horrific in some employers treatment of the Irish as bottom class citizens. Often they would trade contracts to other employers and force the indentured servant to work for little pay towards their debt.

While Indentured servitude is not considered Slavery by a lot of Social Justice types on the internet, it IS considered slavery in many parts of the world. For example, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the United Nations declares specifically in Article 4: "No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms" and was more specifically dealt with by the United Nations in Article 1a of the Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery in 1956.

Indentured Servitude is another example tho of the United States being slow to catch up to the rest of the world as it was not made Illegal until the year 2000 with the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act (VTVPA).

[Machismo]

By the usage of 1984, then no is the answer.



If someone has expressed a desire to molest children, would you allow them unrestricted and unsupervised access to your kids? Or would you take the sensible course of action and not let them anywhere near your children?

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Most modern slavery is in Asia and Africa, and has absolutely nothing to do with the alt-right, nor any other Western political ideology, but don’t let reality get in the way of your lunacy.

And yet, you haven't shown how you plan on weeding all those people out without policing their thoughts.

[Risale]

Yeah, and those African slave traders thought they were just selling war captives to be used as domestic servants, the same way that they would've been treated if they had been sold to an African buyer. They had no way of knowing anything about the horrifying system of exploitation that they were unwittingly enabling.

Sorry to burst your bubble but those captured in war were either killed (mostly the men) or used as sex slaves (women & children) by the victorius side they didn't care what they were used for when sold to the Arabs (5 million africans & 1 million europeans where sold to them as slaves) or Whites. They damn well knew what the Arabs used them for (hard & hazardous labour & sex) so it is safe to say they knew the Whites would do the same.

When France & the UK outlawed slavery in their territories in the early 19th Century, African chiefs who had grown rich and powerful off the slave trade sent protest delegations to Paris and London. Britain abolished the slave trade and slavery itself against fierce opposition from West African and Arab traders.

According to Basil Davidson, celebrated scholar of African history, in his book The African Slave Trade: "The notion that Europe altogether imposed the slave trade on Africa is without any foundation in history ... . Those Africans who were involved in the trade were seldom the helpless victims of a commerce they did not understand: On the contrary, they responded to its challenge. They exploited its opportunities."

[Kalis]

And yet, you haven't shown how you plan on weeding all those people out without policing their thoughts.

I don’t plan on doing it, that is for the professionals to decide, as that is what we pay them for.

I have told you this before, so why do you keep asking the same bloody questions?

[Vash The Stampede]

You seem to have missed the part where the white men headed to Africa to get slaves because they had all but wiped out the original slaves in the Americas; Native Americans.

You missed the part where slavery was a thing among Native Americans long before the white men came. Before the white men came, they would enslave people for labor or ritual sacrifice's. Yes, they would kill their slaves to please gods. And yes, they would view other native Americans as ethnically inferior to themselves. In some cases, warriors from other tribes were mutilated in rituals or torture that could end in death. Some even cut off feet to prevent them from running away.

When the white men came, things changed to trading slaves with white men. Usually sold as undesirable servants. Much like the African slaves, there was already a system in place for slave trading and the white men just capitalized on this system. Though I don't believe the white men would cut off their feet or kill them for religious practices like they did to their own people. There was a reason why American Indians weren't exactly a united people. They were constantly fighting each other for tribal dominance and capturing slaves and slave trading was part of that.

All countries had slavery at some point, even the Ancient Greeks had slavery. The only reason white men don't have slavery today is because we moved on from that. We now enslave machines and we know enslaving humans is wrong. The only reason slavery with white men is a topic is because we acknowledge it was bad, and regret it. But other countries do practice slavery among their own people to this day. Like I said, America, Australia, Canada, and Europe and the best places to live and for the most part don't have slavery, and mostly populated by white people. Everyone else is still practicing it.

[Gimlix]

Slavery is a human thing, not bound by colour. Every 'race' with ties to the past, has had slaves.

Explain that to the black community. They still bitch about something they weren't even in themself. And there are probably more white slaves then black.
Prostitues etc.

[Swalload]

Wat are u talking bout mate

Talking about slavery. You know, the subject of this thread.

[Machismo]

I don’t plan on doing it, that is for the professionals to decide, as that is what we pay them for.

I have told you this before, so why do you keep asking the same bloody questions?

So, let me know when the professionals know how to pull it off, because I haven't seen anywhere that shows that they can.

[Lochton]

Explain that to the black community. They still bitch about something they weren't even in themself. And there are probably more white slaves then black.
Prostitues etc.

Can't, since I'm white, I am not permitted to try and explain this fact. Or mention that Africans had slaves, Asians had slaves, Europeans had slaves, South Americans had slaves, North Americans had slaves, Scandinavians had slaves and the eastern borders had slaves. WE ALL HAVE A HISTORY OF SLAVERY!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah, wipe them out, but let all the black hate groups continue. /sarcasm

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politi...ups/index.html

Are there a lot of black hats groups? Genuine question I don’t keep up with things like this.

[Rhamses]

You missed the part where slavery was a thing among Native Americans long before the white men came. Before the white men came, they would enslave people for labor or ritual sacrifice's. Yes, they would kill their slaves to please gods. And yes, they would view other native Americans as ethnically inferior to themselves. In some cases, warriors from other tribes were mutilated in rituals or torture that could end in death. Some even cut off feet to prevent them from running away.

When the white men came, things changed to trading slaves with white men. Usually sold as undesirable servants. Much like the African slaves, there was already a system in place for slave trading and the white men just capitalized on this system. Though I don't believe the white men would cut off their feet or kill them for religious practices like they did to their own people. There was a reason why American Indians weren't exactly a united people. They were constantly fighting each other for tribal dominance and capturing slaves and slave trading was part of that.

That's all fine and dandy, but you seem to be missing the part where those slavery systems weren't race-based, and rarely did the status of slavery pass from parent to child. You also have the issue where America was founded on enlightenment principles, yet still had a system of slavery in place which made the entire foundation of the society inherently hypocritical.

As for mutilation, American slave-holders happily practiced it. As did the racist whites that continued the practice of minority mutilaion after slavery ended. If you ran away from a plantation, you typically got your foot cut off. If you were accused of a crime, you could lose a finger, an ear, an eye, or even your genitals. After slavery ended, lynch mobs would typically take pieces of the victim home as trophies, right in the presence of their children. That practice lasted well into the 20th century.

All countries had slavery at some point, even the Ancient Greeks had slavery. The only reason white men don't have slavery today is because we moved on from that. We now enslave machines and we know enslaving humans is wrong. The only reason slavery with white men is a topic is because we acknowledge it was bad, and regret it. But other countries do practice slavery among their own people to this day. Like I said, America, Australia, Canada, and Europe and the best places to live and for the most part don't have slavery, and mostly populated by white people. Everyone else is still practicing it.

The reason that American slavery is a topic is because its practice flew in the face of its philosophical foundations, and its legacy stretched well into the 20th century, decades after its legal ending. African Americans (and frankly all Americans) still feel its effects to this day.

BTW, where did anyone say that America isn't a great place to live? You can acknowledge that America did some terrible things in its past (that it shouldn't excuse or cover up) and still acknowledge that this country is a great place to live.

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Explain that to the black community. They still bitch about something they weren't even in themself. And there are probably more white slaves then black.
Prostitues etc.

You do understand that there was a system of American apartheid that came from slavery and lasted well into the 1960s correct? There's plenty of blacks who lived through that era, and millions more who have parents or grandparents who lived through it.

[Oneirophobia]

Newsflash, the entire concept doesn't just revolve around what's happened in America

This a very, very unpopular opinion however.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Explain that to the black community. They still bitch about something they weren't even in themself. And there are probably more white slaves then black.
Prostitues etc.

Do any block people complain soly about slavery and not all of the racist stuff that came after words as well?