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just differences in opinion, that's all. i don't think the UK is strong enough to get the eu to change, and so we need to leave as a result.
i think our economy will be better off because of it, i think our welfare systems and our public services will be better off because of it.
Eventually, maybe. I actually do agree that a separation might be best for both parties - but it has to be done correctly. A more gradual exit would have been the best option in my opinion, as right now there are too many issues being discussed at once. Don't get me wrong, they do need to be discussed before the exit, but setting such a short time frame for such a complex issue was a mistake. There are better options than a no deal scenario for all parties involved, but that is where, on both sides, there is an interest to be hardliners due to domestic pressure. I mean I look at some British news sources, and they seem to think of the respective other side as mortal enemies, which is just stupid. Both sides want what they think is best for the country, but instead of working together for that, they fling poo at one another.
so John McDonnell (Shadow Chancellor) said his economic policies and nationalisation policies wouldn't be possible under eu regulation (in a discussion to a board of business owners last year) because it would require 'buying back' PFIs at government set rates. in essence, that is being argued as a) theft, and b) planned economy by a government.
it's completely understandable why, therefore, Labour would want to leave the eu - it serves 2 purposes (i think). the first is that it fractures the conservative party, and generates high resentment for the party, and it allows Labour (should they come to power, which i think is very likely maybe even this year or next) to initiate and carry through their social-democratic economic policies.
put it this way, 70% of English NHS contracts that were tendered, were sold to the private sector in 2017 - roughly £3billion of the annual NHS budget (i think estimated £100~billion) is now in private sector hands, if Labour were to come to power they would "buy back" those contracts at whatever rate John McDonnell deems fair/necessary. this would be the same for education, housing, etc.
It seems that Nigel is worried he might be cut off from the EU gravy train; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42649214
Last edited by Pann; 2018-01-11 at 11:54 AM.
You explicitely confirmed before that you're just pretending to have these opinions and that you're just here to get a rise out of people. I wonder if you think our memory is defective in some way. You're a dishonest poster and don't deserve to have your invalid points addressed until you actually want to discuss this seriously.
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Yes, that kind of behaviour is generally frowned upon by institutions that uphold the rule of law.
Stealing back what the government squandered before to appease voters is basically a form fraud.
If they want them back they need to pay market prices. If the government doesn't uphold the law why should private citizens do it?
Wasn't that what the Magna Carta was all about? Protection of the rights and possessions of the populace from overreach of the government?
What would you call it if someone sold you a home, you made plans, invested in it, and maybe got your friends involved and then one who sold it to you took it back from you for a price they set unilaterally? That is at least theft, and since the police is part of the state, in their case it would be robbery due to the threat of force if you do not comply.
the serious discussion of Brexit is: it's happening, get over it. is Brexit bad for Britain? no i don't think it is, mostly because what i hope Britain becomes requires Britain leaving the eu.
right, you think that's wrong and you're probably right. personally i think private companies who make money off of public services via monopolies, and suffer no risk because of govt subsidy deserve to have the rug pulled under their feet. at any rate, the policies set forth by the PLP are not possible unless the PFIs can be bought by the govt (at bargain basement prices) - this requires leaving the eu.
Last edited by Floopa; 2018-01-11 at 03:05 PM.
Hmm... curiouser and curiouser!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...banks-11835287
no of course not, i would like to see nationalisation of services which are currently held as private monopolies: rail, gas, electricity, water. i would like to see any and all privatisation of the NHS stripped away completely, once again returning the NHS to the public sector and i would like to see proper measures put in place to stop tax avoidance.
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Oooh, my bad then. @Floopa, I apologize for the false accusation.
You're still not presenting posts that I could take seriously. Sorry.
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