New York City to Sue Oil Companies for Contributing to Global Warming

[Pengekaer]

Holding said corporations accountable for their greed is a good first step.

I disagree. I don't think it will change jack-shit. Sure, they will have deserved the fine. But other than that, its irrelevant.
Maybe some oil company goes bank-rupt, but as long as the good New Yorkers want more kWh than 98 % of Humanity could ever afford, I am certain some other oil company will pick up the oil and sell it regardless. This may look alot like mere silly semantics, but it is nevertheless what is going to happen.

[Elegiac]

Should the rest of the world sue the New Yorkers for their greed? Or are they just people?

"I hate New Yorkers so I'm going to complain about reasonable and precedented litigation to for the purposes of a morality play. :'((((((((("

No, they shouldn't.

[Pengekaer]

"I hate New Yorkers so I'm going to complain about reasonable and precedented litigation to for the purposes of a morality play. :'((((((((("

No, they shouldn't.

Drawing strawmen never is a good strategy.
I did not ask the silly question for the sake of morality play, contrary to what you want to, well, make it seem like. I asked it to illustrate how genuinly moronic it is to frame other people for something that oneself also participated, very enthutiastically I might add, in. "Fej for egen dør", as we danish say, means clean your own doormat first. I wouldn't call that a morality preach, just a nice, sane and functional code to make descisions by. Contrary to the lawsuits, it is useful. And might move something in the grand scale.

Now, Pengekaer out. Tired of socialists. Sigh.

[Elegiac]

Drawing strawmen never is a good strategy.
I did not ask the silly question for the sake of morality play, contrary to what you want to, well, make it seem like. I asked it to illustrate how genuinly moronic it is to frame other people for something that oneself also participated, very enthutiastically I might add, in. "Fej for egen dør", as we danish say, means clean your own doormat first. I wouldn't call that a morality preach, just a nice, sane and functional code to make descisions by.

You seem to be missing the whole concept of 'willful malfeasance'. "New Yorkers" aren't spreading misinformation and suppressing facts in order to continue making a profit off something eminently harmful to society; oil companies were actively engaged in such and still are, by and large.

[Afrospinach]

Yeah, the wind tax of 2067 really hampered my dream of sailing around the world.

Wind tax? What? Owned a lot of sailing boats have you? If you own something that has to be moored you can kiss any semblance of cheap a looong goodbye lol.

[ramjb]

New York City should sue New York City for contributing to global warming.

[Ghostpanther]

New York City should sue New York City for contributing to global warming.

Lol. Good one.

[mich4el]

Just lol at believing in global warming scam in 2018
the planet went through climate change since forever there were many global warming and ice ages throughout the history of the planet

[Elegiac]

Just lol at believing in global warming scam in 2018
the planet went through climate change since forever there were many global warming and ice ages throughout the history of the planet

Idea for a New Law: Climate Change deniers need to spend at least eight hours a week chained to a fire hydrant next to rush hour traffic.

It's harmless, right?

[mich4el]

Idea for a New Law: Climate Change deniers need to spend at least eight hours a week chained to a fire hydrant next to rush hour traffic.

It's harmless, right?

Against freedom of speech and freedom of thought ? Unimpressive.
I bet you are a vegan too

[Elegiac]

Against freedom of speech and freedom of thought ? Unimpressive.
I bet you are a vegan too

I despise vegans, point in fact.

But gasoline emissions are harmless, so what's the issue?

[rewhaha]

If I were CEO of one of these oil companies, I would immediately cease and desist with all shipment and sales of any oil-based products to the greater NYC area and advise the CEO's of the other companies to do the same. After all, NYC clearly doesn't want to contribute to global warming, so they should be just fine without any access to gas or fuel, right?

if you were ceo, you WOULD NOT cease shipments to a gigantic market like NYC. period

[alexw]

This thread reminds me of this -

https://qz.com/1156876/juliana-vs-us...limate-change/

The case is going to court in Feb, so we are going to get lots of headlines over the next year or so. The discovery phase is going to be really interesting as it means lots of gov documents are going to have to be released which basically destroy any case whatsoever that the Trump admin could put forward that man made climate change doesn't exist. It'll be interesting to see all the reality deniers on these boards squirm too.

[melodramocracy]

Have you ever been to New York? Do you have any clue beyond goofy assumptions? I'm from upstate NY and have been to the city many times, and know several people there.

Very few that live in NYC (at least Manhattan) drive a car. Virtually everyone takes the subway, a cab, or a bus. That's called public transport and NYC has had one of the largest, most active subway systems since subways were invented.

Therefore, they don't have to ban cars or non-public vehicles, they're already doing pretty well with it. That's not the issue here.

Burning oil and wrecking the atmosphere and hence the climate, and then the oil corps lying about it for 40 years - is the issue.

I'm from upstate as well. Your suggestion that the city isn't almost constantly congested with vehicles makes me wonder if you only went there at 2am on a Monday morning. Meanwhile, I'm still not seeing any ideas on what NY will do with this money to improve things, and I'm not buying into this sudden 'we were lied toooooo' schtick. It's been a known issue for decades, and our reliance on oil isn't going to stop suddenly if this case is won.

[Caolela]

I'm from upstate as well. Your suggestion that the city isn't almost constantly congested with vehicles makes me wonder if you only went there at 2am on a Monday morning. Meanwhile, I'm still not seeing any ideas on what NY will do with this money to improve things, and I'm not buying into this sudden 'we were lied toooooo' schtick. It's been a known issue for decades, and our reliance on oil isn't going to stop suddenly if this case is won.

Ask anyone from Manhattan if owning a car there isn't a giant pain in the ass, far more hassle and expense than it's worth. The streets are busy with traffic because...holy fuck wait for it...THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE THERE BESIDES NATIVE NY'ERS, FOR ONE THING.

There is commercial/business, municipal, tourist, and transient traffic, etc. and so on. Duh.

NYC doesn't have to give you a prospectus for what they'd plan to do with any court judgment. That again is not the point here.

[Release]

Against freedom of speech and freedom of thought ? Unimpressive.
I bet you are a vegan too

"Freedom of thought" I believe the earth is flat does not make it objectively true because you have the freedom to think it. I for one think this is a good first step. Even if they lose it at least publicizes the problem and forces uncomfortable questions to be asked. Thanks NY.

[zhero]

oil companies have known about the issue for decades but refused to deal with it. glad we see actions against them

you're the one using the oil despite believing in climate change.

[mich4el]

I despise vegans, point in fact.

But gasoline emissions are harmless, so what's the issue?

I wouldn't mind as I am anti civilization and less pollution is better
however global warming is a scam to get more money and for carbon tax. I just want us to run out of oil so civilization collapse if that happen our planet could have a chance to recover

[PickleballAce]

I guess the upside to rising sea levels would be drowning that self-aggrandizing, rat-infested shithole.

[Deleted]

If you're insisting on this, the necessity of oil is not a constant, and it will be phased out in time. Oil companies lied to the public in order to slow this down as much as possible, and this has consequences for human health and for the economy.

Much of the economic damage we'll see through the rest of the century could have been averted at lower cost had we focused sooner on mitigation and replacement of our energy sources.

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You can't blame the oil companies for intentionally making it difficult for the public to get informed? A snake oil salesman is not absolved of all responsibility because people believed him. Otherwise, why don't we just make scamming legal? Since, apparently, it makes no fucking sense to punish the scammers.

Let's replace 'sugar' with 'tobacco' and 'being fat' with 'getting cancer.' Suing tobacco companies for getting cancer happens, has happened, and has been relatively successful.

No but people have a responsability to get themselves informed. If we just sit on our asses and eat everything that's served to us, that's OUR fault. Of course, the companies can be held responsible for their actions, but to blame them entirely for us being fucking idiots is...idiotic.

Yeah I don't understand that either. You're inhaling smoke into your fucking lungs. The fuck do you think would happen?