Should Blizzard Lock PVP Behind Pathfinder Achievement?

[Cwimge]

So no one can put forth any valid reason why every aspect of the game should not be locked behind pathfinder other than "reasons"?

No, they can't. MMO-C is full of the wrong kind of people to ask this of. It's literally beyond them to imagine having to unlock their content. All they know is "hurr flying bad" and mangled memories

[Mormolyce]

literally forcing every player

Let me stop you right there.

[SirCowdog]

lord no?

some players want to focus as strongly as possible on PvP (minority yet they exist, i even know a bunch of them) and you want to force them to farm PvE objectives like reps which all of them seem to hate?

just why? why could you possibly want to force other players do things they hate?

you could as well force people to lvl a team of pets to 25 before they get access to honor talents, just why on earth would you do that?

absolutely not, 'unlocking' stuff must have some correlation with what you do: for instance Honor talents are unlocked via PvP not dungeons, allied races are unlocked via earning rep and doing questlines with their respective factions not via PvP and so on

easily one of the worst ideas i've heard lately

ROFL, read your arguing points again, then explain how Pathfinder has any relevance to flying. Pathfinder is just an arbitrary list of tasks that aren't connected or explained in any meaningful way.

[Nalorakk]

So no one can put forth any valid reason why every aspect of the game should not be locked behind pathfinder other than "reasons"?

Is there any reason you'd accept that you wouldn't reduce to "reasons"?

Blizzard's own logic holds up here.

They want you to experience it all on the ground before you have earned the luxury of being able to soar over it.

If you don't like that reasoning, you can either grit your teeth and earn it, walk forever or quit.

[Marrilaife]

Remember when they locked queuing for heroic behind proving grounds? Not really the best experience.

It was hilarious. Normal upper blackrock spire was harder to complete in a queue pug than a heroic one at the beginning of WOD (before everyone got crazy gear), because you'd be grouped with all the rejects unable to complete proving grounds: silver.

Still, fast forward to now, and instead of Blizzard's measuring stick of player competence we have mythic+ score and other 3rd party website based criteria. I'd rather have Blizzard venture further into the avenue of developing features measuring player skill, instead of letting the ilvl / achievement / 3rd party "score" reign. Obviously proving grounds were far from perfect, but abandoning the concept instead of iterating on it... why?

[Nurvus]

Although I agree Pathfinder has too many requirements, the alternative to not have "pathfinder" is the ability to fly as soon as you hit max level, which essentially means transforming the open world into an instance, because you are no longer "interactable", you are constantly on a safe bubble in the sky 99% of the time, and teleport from A to B.

This thread is pointless because PvP has nearly nothing to do with open world.
While Raiding and Dungeons is linked to progression that is greatly affected by open world.

[Doomchicken]

If only mmo champ can lock people from making stupid as shit threads behind some sort of gate, that way we can be protected from idiocy such as this.

[Spookysheep]

Is there any reason you'd accept that you wouldn't reduce to "reasons"?

Blizzard's own logic holds up here.

They want you to experience it all on the ground before you have earned the luxury of being able to soar over it.

If you don't like that reasoning, you can either grit your teeth and earn it, walk forever or quit.

Again you are being obtuse. Stealth, invisibility and demon hunter glide allows you to skip content (which some of you so conveniently fail to admit and address), yet somehow you think THIS form of skipping content is "ok." Your hypocrisy knows no bounds does it?

[SirCowdog]

Is there any reason you'd accept that you wouldn't reduce to "reasons"?

Blizzard's own logic holds up here.

They want you to experience it all on the ground before you have earned the luxury of being able to soar over it.

If you don't like that reasoning, you can either grit your teeth and earn it, walk forever or quit.

Their real reasoning is that they want to stretch content. The whole "the way it was intended to be experienced" thing is the excuse. A cover story.

[Spookysheep]

If only mmo champ can lock people from making stupid as shit threads behind some sort of gate, that way we can be protected from idiocy such as this.

Just because you lack self control and cannot avoid reading threads that make you angry IRL does not mean it is a MMO Champion problem. That is a YOU problem. Show some restraint and don't click on a thread if you have to pitch a whiny hissy fit just over its mere existence.

[Airwaves]

Again you are being obtuse. Stealth, invisibility and demon hunter glide allows you to skip content (which some of you so conveniently fail to admit and address), yet somehow you think THIS form of skipping content is "ok." Your hypocrisy knows no bounds does it?

Because they are core elements of a class. A rogue without stealth isn't a rogue. A demon hunter without demon wings isn't a demon. This whole idea is clearly trolling.

[SirCowdog]

Although I agree Pathfinder has too many requirements, the alternative to not have "pathfinder" is the ability to fly as soon as you hit max level.
This means essentially transforming the open world into an instance, because you are no longer "interactable". You are constantly on a safe bubble in the sky 99% of the time.

Then design the world to actually use and involve the sky instead of trying to pretend it doesn't exist, all so you can force people into the ground ratmaze that stretches weak content.

[Darkguyver2020]

I have a better idea. Just remove PvP altogether. It's nothing but an imbalanced shitshow that appeals to dumbass griefers who have nothing better to do with their lives.

[Maquegyver]

Tell us where the achievement touched you... Grow up

[Spookysheep]

Because they are core elements of a class. A rogue without stealth isn't a rogue. A demon hunter without demon wings isn't a demon. This whole idea is clearly trolling.

Flying has been a core element of the game since the very first expansion TBC. You pretending to not notice this fact is clearly trolling.

[AlmightyGerkin]

Pathfinder is meant for people to explore what Blizzard created and your reward is flying. We can not fly in battleground so why should it be locked behind pvp.

[Spookysheep]

You know this thread is going to get locked. You're not convincing anyone with the manner in which you argue, you're quite literally just trying to rile people up with your replies.

People explained the reasons before:
1. They want you to experience the leveling and questing experience from the ground, without it being harmed by flying.
2. Once you've done enough of that questing on the ground (by unlocking the achievement), then they wish to give you the freedom to fly.

It's similar to the 4/4 tokens they make you collect from raidbosses before giving you the option to skip past them. (But I'm pretty sure you're very well aware of that anyhow).

If it gets locked then that will show moderation bias. Why should pathfinder be limited to ONLY PVE? And the only people getting "riled up" are PVP'ers who hate flying because it prevents them from ganking, a problem solved in BfA anyway since PVP servers are being removed.

[thsevecha]

Posting nonsense should also be locked behind the pathfinder achievement.

[valkar]

Pathfinder in its current form doesn't lock any PvE content, why in the world would PvP content be locked behind it?

As many others have said, flying (which is the only thing pathfinder currently unlocks) is simply a more efficient way of getting around, it is not content.

[Calfredd]

Pathfinder is meant for people to explore what Blizzard created and your reward is flying. We can not fly in battleground so why should it be locked behind pvp.

No the OP also wants PvP locked behind the pathfinder achievement too.