Does "Being For Legal Immigration" Allow For Immigrants From "Shithole Countries"?

[Freighter]

But we want the immigrants from shithole countries, they tend to be really hard working and treasure the opportunities they have in America. Contrast that with most first world immigrants who generally go around acting like entitled cunts, because their host country would absolutely fall apart without them providing necessary HR services.

Not sure why you quoted me with that post.

[Ravenblade]

Trump is just socially sanctioned sociopathy and emerging brutalization made flesh. He's turned the office of the president into another Youtube comment section, his penchant for self-adulation combined with a blatant display of devoid understanding of the world at a deeper level than a five year old makes me think that the next upgrade would just be voting in a broomstick into office.

[PosPosPos]

Trump is just socially sanctioned sociopathy and emerging brutalization made flesh. He's turned the office of the president into another Youtube comment section, his penchant for self-adulation combined with a blatant display of devoid understanding of the world at a deeper level than a five year old makes me think that the next upgrade would just be voting in a broomstick into office.

Broomsticks are actually really great, don't compare useful tools to subhuman trash please.

Unless of course, these brooms you mention are used to sweep these trash out of existence.

[Macaquerie]

What the fuck? How exactly are immigrants not saying we need help, by immigrating to US? Also, you didn’t support me or anyone in my family. My mother’s job was as a speech therapist, which doesn’t translate well. We were not on welfare, we busted ass. Just like all the illegals that are busting ass on shit farm jobs, so your employer can continue to pay you shit, but your produce prices are not accounting for American labor... labor that refused to do the jobs, even when US unemployment was hovering around 10%... so... who exactly is supporting who?

I'm pretty sure you misread my post, or else you would be agreeing with me.

If anything, maybe some Norwegian-Americans wants to come back home to the fatherland xD

Excellent idea. Repatriating white Americans could provide just the demographic boost that Europe needs to stave off the Muslim hordes! No take backs, though.

[LaserSharkDFB]

I'm pretty sure you misread my post, or else you would be agreeing with me.

Feyla's response seemed appropriate to me, so you should probably clarify your position.

[Flarelaine]

Trump then said the U.S. “should have more people from places like Norway,” sources told NBC News. [/I]

Funny how history turns things around. For centuries, leaders in Western Europe could stand or fall on their success in keeping Norwegian immigrants away.

[Deleted]

Well, is he really wrong? Would you rather have immigrants from Norway or Somalia?

get off the race discussion. You can discuss immigration without getting into race

Are you new to this forum?

[josykay]

Well, is he really wrong? Would you rather have immigrants from Norway or Somalia?

Yeah, but from which country will people more likely migrate? Where they live good and peaceful, or they live in a broken state with no perspective?

[Acidbaron]

The latest Trump Leak of the President complaining about immigrants coming from "Shithole Countries" got me thinking.

In the online immigration debates, conservatives go to great effort to point out they're all for "immigrating the right way". Yet spending a lot of words defending policies that target and demean immigrants from specific parts of the globe. The Trump travel ban, Brexit, rescinding protections for Central American refugees, refugees in general.

Does Trump's leak finally lay bare the intentional ethnic cleansing of these anti-immigrants stances?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/...ws#.tq7bWRpweJ
President Donald Trump slammed the idea of restoring protections for immigrants from “shithole” countries in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday, sources told multiple news outlets.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” the president reportedly asked lawmakers. He was referring to African nations and Haiti, according to The Washington Post, the first to report the story. It was later confirmed by NBC News, BuzzFeed and CNN.

Trump then said the U.S. “should have more people from places like Norway,” sources told NBC News.

First and foremost is that i would like to move away from starting a debate with assuming all conservatives are alike, think alike, act alike. It is like saying all left leaning people are for open borders, it's merely an attempt to dumb down the conversation before it even really starts. Neither group are ants and neither group are controlled by hive mind mentality although this is something you see often mostly after such an assumption is made.

Now as for actual immigration, the reality is western nations require it so acting as if they don't gets you nowhere. Using generalizations targeting certain immigrants gets you nowhere. First of laws need to be respected and we must not be afraid to call things as they are, if certain groups are more likely to commit crimes or radicalize we need to not hide this fact but we must also not use it purely to provoke or obtain political points with a certain demographic, the acknowledgement is important since you first need to accept there is an issue before you can solve it, where things go wrong again is simpleton reasoning comes into play and we don't look for the actual root of the issue, we assume to know the root of the issue in this case the often overplayed religion and culture angle and dismiss anything else, this again leads to nowhere.

I personally have no issues with immigrants from where ever they come from if they follow our rules and laws. I also don't believe we can however house everyone and i also do believe that there many things wrong with immigration today as we still have not learned enough from our past and i also believe that when immigration and integration fails it is both the immigrant and the government at fault. I also am in support of treaties that make it so if they commit a crime here they can be handed over back to their country of origin and sit out their time there. Left leaning people are generally opposed to this since human rights issues often surface in those nations but in my opinion if your intend here is to commit crimes you squandered the chance you have been giving.

Also Trump can request as much as he wants immigration from rich western nations, it simply won't happen the US isn't as appealing anymore and political figurehead as Trump simply make it less attractive, the US is very undemocratic, it is basically one of the few rich and modern nations that attempts to limit people in their ability to vote hence your horrible voter turn out. Your nation is very much divided, your political party system seems to be something that is completely outdated and does not represent the people well. The social security systems are terrible, i would also be genuinely worried if i had kids into putting them on a public school both in terms of safety and level of education. So on a lot of fronts the US in eyes of an European is a downgrade.

Now if you start up a successful business here and want to grow it fast and take chances, the US is a good place to continue further but this is mostly since the general public gets screwed over as most laws are in favor of businesses and the list of benefits seem to be only increasing for that group, while the rest their rights seem to decreasing.

Also everyone who isn't afraid of reality already knows that Trumps base is largely xenophobic, so ethnic cleansing not so much, in favor of giving everyone not white less rights, very much so. I fully see him standing behind an apartheid regime and so does his base.

[Deleted]

Yeah, but from which country will people more likely migrate? Where they live good and peaceful, or they live in a broken state with no perspective?

Obviously, but one group is beneficial, and the other one is a drain.

[Macaquerie]

Feyla's response seemed appropriate to me, so you should probably clarify your position.

What I was trying to say was that it's the so-called "natives" who are not contributing to the economy and should be begging for help, not the immigrants.

Obviously, but one group is beneficial, and the other one is a drain.

From my personal experience, every African I've ever met busts their ass every day to try and survive in America, whereas pretty much every European has an absurd superiority complex and seems to hate everything that we stand for. I know who I'd rather have.

[josykay]

Obviously, but one group is beneficial, and the other one is a drain.

Yeah, but those who live good, well they just won't come, because the life in Norway is already probably more joyful, than it could ever be in the USA. Who migrates, if he has a good social, health and education system, great employment etc?^^

Thing is, Trump fails to realize, that there are other nations than the US offering a great life. Some even arguably better..

[Rhamses]

Well, is he really wrong? Would you rather have immigrants from Norway or Somalia?

Yeah he's wrong because 100 years ago the "shithole" countries were China, Ireland, Russia, Italy, Greece, and parts of Eastern Europe. All of those groups have benefited American society, and people from Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa benefit America today. Just because you come from a broken country doesn't make you a less desirable human being.

[Skroe]

Well, is he really wrong? Would you rather have immigrants from Norway or Somalia?



Are you new to this forum?

Both. Diversity is a source of extraordinary strength for the United States. We are better because we are one from many.

My own family on one side came from Italy about 120 years ago on one side, and from Latin America on the other about 70 years ago. The former came to escape poverty in Italy. The latter came to escape civil war. Both were "shitholes" of their time.

Collectively, generations of my family on both sides have contributed more to this country than this rotten man and his family. We've built businesses, discovered diseases, and built careers dedicated to medicine, science, and the law. I am privileged to be the second generation of my family with a post-graduate degree. But make no mistake: my last name is not "Johnson".

We are not special or unique in this regard. We are typical. My family is a successful, but typical, American family, the product of immigrants, a couple of generations later. We've contributed.

So for him to say this? He denied my family had a place here. They were from "shitholes" and wanted a better life, and found it here. By his own words, he denies so many Americans families had a place here.

When I call Trump illegitimate, it is not just because of Trump-Russia. It is because of words and deeds like this. Legitimacy to govern is not some kind of inviolable thing. Abused, legitimacy dissipates far quicker than it is built.

Donald Trump is an illegitimate President, because he clearly does not espouse or defend America's most sacred values. He is President in name, but make no mistake like his "KKK Good people" moment in August, he has laid down the the moral authority of his office, and his authority extends only in title.

Donald J. Trump, the smallest President America has ever had. *spit*.

[Super Kami Dende]

Why would anyone want people from Shitholes in their Area? Why can't people from said Shitholes work to make their Shitholes not Shitholes instead of just moving somewhere were people already did the Work to not live in Shitholes.

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Yeah he's wrong because 100 years ago the "shithole" countries were China, Ireland, Russia, Italy, Greece, and parts of Eastern Europe. All of those groups have benefited American society, and people from Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa benefit America today. Just because you come from a broken country doesn't make you a less desirable human being.

Actually that's exactly what it means. If I was to leave my house in the care of someone and my choices were a person from a Non-shithole and someone from a Shithole. the Shithole person is less desirable in that situation.

People pretending to be outraged about this are just liars and hypocrites and ironically people that don't live in Shitholes.

[Skroe]

Gooooooood morning MMO-OT Racists! Are you ready for another day of defending Trump's....

Oh whats that?

This just in folks...




Hrm. How about that.




This is what happens to you people because of your enthusiastic and regular defense of pure evil.


Let us review this thread and make some fine MMO-OT Racists eat some of their own words, shall we?

This is Drew79. Drew79's post history is typical trigged by SJW fare. The anti-snowflake who is one.
First comment in the thread:

Alas @Drew79, you were supposed to say he did not say it.


Next we go on to post #15. This is @satimy. Satimy has a long and I do mean looooong history of thinly vield racism and xenophobia. Want to see his magnum opus? Go back to the KKK episode in August. This is a man who hates non-white people, and rationalizes it backwards.
Well...

You weren't supposed to say Trump said it Satimy. Folks, don't be like Satimy. Defense of pure evil never gets you really far.


Now of course, we come to @Ransath. This man hardly needs an introduction. If Donald Trump institued Sharia Law just to legally marry a harem of wives, Ransath would rationalize it by pointing how how Sharia deals with criminalty (I know). Ransath, if you look at his post history, REALLY does not like minorities... liberals... centrists... republicans. Frankly, the man just does not give a shit. He is to Trump as a Patriots fan is to the Patriots in 2017: if you're still a fan, you've not only made peace with the evil, you ask how to get more evil.


Well shit @Ransath. I guess Trump didn't say it! Good golly good gosh, now you're just a racist all on your lonesome!

We are now at the end of page two. But here's the best part. I had to get to page 8 before I saw someone new defend Trump, and then page 12 . Pretty much, it was Satimy being racist as usual, some 'white genocide" bullshit and a ton of people denouncing Trump.

It should make us all REAL AMERICANS feel good. It shows how hysterically outnumbered the above posters and their godking Trump are in their profound hate and ignorance.


@Drew79, @satimy, @Ransath, you here, and several others have spent recent times defending profound hate on a semi-regular basis. You have contorted yourselves, defield American values and taken positions that aren't conservative, aren't liberal and plainly are un-American. This is not the first time. This is the latest time. Yesterday, you did it again, to defend a President you admire.. Who says the hateful things you rationalize.

And here he is, today, throwing you under the bus. Everything Trump touches dies. If you had any dignity left, it died this morning too.

[Rhamses]

Actually that's exactly what it means. If I was to leave my house in the care of someone and my choices were a person from a Non-shithole and someone from a Shithole. the Shithole person is less desirable in that situation.

People pretending to be outraged about this are just liars and hypocrites and ironically people that don't live in Shitholes.

Terrible analogy, since immigration isn't leaving your possessions to strangers.

People are outraged by this because decades ago their ancestors were from shithole countries, but they weren't terrible people. My ancestors were Irish fleeing massive famine and disease. Were they terrible people simply because they were trying to avoid death? What kind of stupid logic is that?

[Super Kami Dende]

Terrible analogy, since immigration isn't leaving your possessions to strangers.

It wasn't an analogy. You said "Just because you come from a broken country doesn't make you a less desirable human being." I gave you a direct example of how they are less desirable.

Also I didn't say they were terrible people, I said they were less desirable.

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Gooooooood morning MMO-OT Racists! Are you ready for another day of defending Trump's....

What exactly does anyone need to defend. The fact these places are actually shitholes is true. If they weren't shit holes they wouldn't require billions in Foreign aid just to function.

[The One Percent]

How many immigrants do you think leave their country for one that is worse off? Of course when you open your borders you primarily get immigration from countries shittier than yours.

[Freighter]

What exactly does anyone need to defend. The fact these places are actually shitholes is true. If they weren't shit holes they wouldn't require billions in Foreign aid just to function.

Do they even function?