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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalrus2010 View Post
    Who are you referring to? Keep in mind this is a forum. Doesn't take much effort to "respond" someone (I'm doing this while flying in WoW right now xD).

    WHEN PEOPLE TALK LIKE THIS, it hardly means anything in terms of whether they are insulted or not from my experience. I'd have a hard time believing anyone takes anything "personal" to the point of being insulted through a discussion about WoW. Frustrated? Perhaps. Insulted? No.

    For me personal, I like arguing with people. I enjoy it whether on the internet or in real life.
    A lot of people are hair-trigger Blizzard defenders here, though.

    And there are a lot of hair-trigger Blizzard haters, so the existence of both groups is assured by the other.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Even the official forums aren't this over the top
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    Nah, its just MMO-C that is like this.
    You guys ARE aware that Blizzard HEAVILY moderates their official forums like some kind of Politeness-Nazis, right? They ban, edit, nuke, and otherwise direct their backyard forums to promote a "positive environment".

    If you're looking for a reason why you don't see as many angry posts on the official forums, there it is.

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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    A lot of people are hair-trigger Blizzard defenders here, though.

    And there are a lot of hair-trigger Blizzard haters, so the existence of both groups is assured by the other.
    Especially when you stop to consider that there are people out there who have had their childhood shaped by WoW and Blizzard. Kids who started playing Blizzard games when they were teenagers are now fully grown "adults"(I use that term in only the loosest manner possible) in their mid-twenties. And you're asking them to be rational and objective about it when you post a criticism?

    ROFL!

    Good luck.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Especially when you stop to consider that there are people out there who have had their childhood shaped by WoW and Blizzard. Kids who started playing Blizzard games when they were teenagers are now fully grown "adults"(I use that term in only the loosest manner possible) in their mid-twenties. And you're asking them to be rational and objective about it when you post a criticism?

    ROFL!

    Good luck.
    Yeah, that's also a good point. That's like criticising old Disney classics around people who grew up with them, or 80s animes around people who similarly grew up with them.

    Fair point.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Especially when you stop to consider that there are people out there who have had their childhood shaped by WoW and Blizzard. Kids who started playing Blizzard games when they were teenagers are now fully grown "adults"(I use that term in only the loosest manner possible) in their mid-twenties. And you're asking them to be rational and objective about it when you post a criticism?

    ROFL!

    Good luck.
    On top of that though, most things posted aren't actual criticisms. They usually break down into the poster being too much of a casual to understand the topic they are complaining about, or the poster being burned out by the game and complaining about things that inconvenience him instead of merit actual discussion.

    There are certainly plenty of valid discussions happening, but a good 90 percent of what is posted here should just be locked by a moderator.
    As mentioned earlier, this game is a community based game, and when that community is so confused the discussion that comes from that is not possibly going to be constructive.

    Wish they would get more active and informed moderators around here.
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  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by NoobistTV-Metro View Post
    On top of that though, most things posted aren't actual criticisms. They usually break down into the poster being too much of a casual to understand the topic they are complaining about, or the poster being burned out by the game and complaining about things that inconvenience him instead of merit actual discussion.

    There are certainly plenty of valid discussions happening, but a good 90 percent of what is posted here should just be locked by a moderator.
    As mentioned earlier, this game is a community based game, and when that community is so confused the discussion that comes from that is not possibly going to be constructive.

    Wish they would get more active and informed moderators around here.
    As @Yarathir just said above: Fair point.

    This goes back to the inability to use critical thinking or objective reasoning. Do you have any idea how many times I've asked someone to expand or explain WHY they feel the way they do about a subject, only to have them repeat themselves or turn to personal attacks? Or worse...just saying some form of "Blizzard said so"???

    I don't think posts need to be locked or banned, though. It's fine for people to have opinions based on bad logic, as long as they don't turn nasty or toxic about it. But again, to be completely fair, the MMO-champ mods do lock a fair number of threads for "Not going anywhere constructive".

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    No, but the problem is WAY worse here than anywhere else. Even the official forums aren't this over the top
    Everything here is worse, we are all disconnected idiots.
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    welcome to the internet where when youre not with someone then you are literally hitler
    This... Oh so much of this is 100% true!

  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Seriously...the way some people react on here whenever someone criticizes WoW in any way or says something they disagree with is so over the top. You'd think you'd just punched their newborn child in the face.

    It's a discussion forum, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you need to react like it's some sort of grave insult...
    Amm ... ? Do you go out and talk with people in real life? It's the same with everything really, people defend what they like.

  11. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    It's a flawed association where the person confuses criticism with something they like with criticism of themselves and their decisions. There's a technical/medical term for it, but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.

    There's also a HEAVY dose of tribalism involved as well. E.G.: If you don't like the same things I like, you are the enemy.

    Throw all of that on top of a basic inability to think critically or objectively, and mix it with a 99.9999% level of anonymity that being on the internet provides....well...there you have it.
    Well, that's /thread. Exactly this, can only join the echoing chant of the first responses there.

    That being said...

    Literally none of this matters when it comes to the OP in question, since (save one or two exceptions) the reason he made this thread is most likely the backhanded slap he gets for his other threads. In which case, the reason people snap at him is the fact that he's very much notorious for being the "your fun is wrong" guy quite openly. Let's not start talking about minorities around this one anytime soon.

  12. #52
    They're cannibals. I loved WoW since I started playing in TBC. Wasn't a fan of Legion's OTT RNG in practically everything in it, criticised it as such, and they turn on you immediately, blindly defending every Blizzard decision regardless...

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by NoNamedPride View Post
    Well, that's /thread. Exactly this, can only join the echoing chant of the first responses there.

    That being said...

    Literally none of this matters when it comes to the OP in question, since (save one or two exceptions) the reason he made this thread is most likely the backhanded slap he gets for his other threads. In which case, the reason people snap at him is the fact that he's very much notorious for being the "your fun is wrong" guy quite openly. Let's not start talking about minorities around this one anytime soon.
    Just gonna leave this here: XD


  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    As @Yarathir just said above: Fair point.

    This goes back to the inability to use critical thinking or objective reasoning. Do you have any idea how many times I've asked someone to expand or explain WHY they feel the way they do about a subject, only to have them repeat themselves or turn to personal attacks? Or worse...just saying some form of "Blizzard said so"???

    I don't think posts need to be locked or banned, though. It's fine for people to have opinions based on bad logic, as long as they don't turn nasty or toxic about it. But again, to be completely fair, the MMO-champ mods do lock a fair number of threads for "Not going anywhere constructive".
    Ya, your right. Good points all around.
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  15. #55
    And some people can't see fault with a criticism, that any defending of the game means the other person is at fault, instead of possibly the criticism.
    People have called me a fanboy because I don't support stupid claims, but fail to see other comments I have made being far from positive on some areas.
    Or more accurately don't want to see what else I have said.

    Just consider that if someone disagrees with bashing of the game, they might have a good reason.
    Just as much that someone can disagree with someone praising it.

    If you want to accuse someone of being a fanboy, then don't jump to that conclusion from a single reply as is far too often the case.
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    Your forgot to include the part where we blame casuals for everything because blizzard is catering to casuals when casuals got jack squat for new content the entire expansion, like new dungeons and scenarios.
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    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

  16. #56
    It's because everyone's spitting on wow like it's a trashpile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Seriously...the way some people react on here whenever someone criticizes WoW in any way or says something they disagree with is so over the top. You'd think you'd just punched their newborn child in the face.

    It's a discussion forum, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you need to react like it's some sort of grave insult...
    Because much of the time it isn't actual constructive criticism or just plainly false.

    "I think X isn't good because Y" <-- Good feedback
    "HURR DURR RETAIL IS FOR IDIOTS VANILLA WUZ HARD" <---Bad/false feedback.

    It's the same when I go tell Vanilla players that Vanilla is objectively horrible for Todays standard and they go into a frothing rage.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    It's the same when I go tell Vanilla players that Vanilla is objectively horrible for Todays standard and they go into a frothing rage.
    Gonna risk a derail/tangent here:

    It's because they LIKE the objectively horrible experience that was vanilla. They just can't admit that they like trash.

    I mean, I'm running on a theme of plain truthhere, if it wasn't obvious. Here's an example:

    Fast food is also trash. But, full disclosure: I sometimes LIKE fast food. That doesn't stop it from being bad in an objective sense, though. I don't try to tell people that fast food is somehow good just because I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Gonna risk a derail/tangent here:

    It's because they LIKE the objectively horrible experience that was vanilla.
    Vanilla/Classic experience wan't horrible at all - it was great and all went toward making WoW what it is, relevant to when it occurred. I'm of a mind that continued iteration and improvement doesn't make what came before "horrible," it just means the current product is a step above what it was (and vice-versa in terms of steps in the wrong direction don't necessarily imply the original product was great by comparison).

    I'm all for constructive criticism, especially when it includes ideas and opinions as to how perceived wrongs can be righted or made better. But at the end of the day you can never please *everyone* because people are looking for different things and value different elements. You can only hope against hope that in the aggregate the things you value or prefer get buffed while the things you don't get fixed, understanding that you're not always going to come away the "winner."
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  20. #60
    There's also the side of the coin where people nonchalantly disagree with the criticism, and they're branded in numerous negative terms. And there are those that simply state a harsh opinion without any constructive criticism in the opinion.
    3 hints to surviving MMO-C forums:
    1.) If you have an opinion, someone will say that it is wrong
    2.) If you have a source, there will be people who refuse to believe it
    3.) If you use logic, it will be largely ignored
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