You guys ARE aware that Blizzard HEAVILY moderates their official forums like some kind of Politeness-Nazis, right? They ban, edit, nuke, and otherwise direct their backyard forums to promote a "positive environment".
If you're looking for a reason why you don't see as many angry posts on the official forums, there it is.
Because they're invested and can't even in their wildest fantasy imagine a perspective outside of their own.
If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
Especially when you stop to consider that there are people out there who have had their childhood shaped by WoW and Blizzard. Kids who started playing Blizzard games when they were teenagers are now fully grown "adults"(I use that term in only the loosest manner possible) in their mid-twenties. And you're asking them to be rational and objective about it when you post a criticism?
ROFL!
Good luck.
On top of that though, most things posted aren't actual criticisms. They usually break down into the poster being too much of a casual to understand the topic they are complaining about, or the poster being burned out by the game and complaining about things that inconvenience him instead of merit actual discussion.
There are certainly plenty of valid discussions happening, but a good 90 percent of what is posted here should just be locked by a moderator.
As mentioned earlier, this game is a community based game, and when that community is so confused the discussion that comes from that is not possibly going to be constructive.
Wish they would get more active and informed moderators around here.
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As @Yarathir just said above: Fair point.
This goes back to the inability to use critical thinking or objective reasoning. Do you have any idea how many times I've asked someone to expand or explain WHY they feel the way they do about a subject, only to have them repeat themselves or turn to personal attacks? Or worse...just saying some form of "Blizzard said so"???
I don't think posts need to be locked or banned, though. It's fine for people to have opinions based on bad logic, as long as they don't turn nasty or toxic about it. But again, to be completely fair, the MMO-champ mods do lock a fair number of threads for "Not going anywhere constructive".
Well, that's /thread. Exactly this, can only join the echoing chant of the first responses there.
That being said...
Literally none of this matters when it comes to the OP in question, since (save one or two exceptions) the reason he made this thread is most likely the backhanded slap he gets for his other threads. In which case, the reason people snap at him is the fact that he's very much notorious for being the "your fun is wrong" guy quite openly. Let's not start talking about minorities around this one anytime soon.
They're cannibals. I loved WoW since I started playing in TBC. Wasn't a fan of Legion's OTT RNG in practically everything in it, criticised it as such, and they turn on you immediately, blindly defending every Blizzard decision regardless...
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And some people can't see fault with a criticism, that any defending of the game means the other person is at fault, instead of possibly the criticism.
People have called me a fanboy because I don't support stupid claims, but fail to see other comments I have made being far from positive on some areas.
Or more accurately don't want to see what else I have said.
Just consider that if someone disagrees with bashing of the game, they might have a good reason.
Just as much that someone can disagree with someone praising it.
If you want to accuse someone of being a fanboy, then don't jump to that conclusion from a single reply as is far too often the case.
It's because everyone's spitting on wow like it's a trashpile.
Because much of the time it isn't actual constructive criticism or just plainly false.
"I think X isn't good because Y" <-- Good feedback
"HURR DURR RETAIL IS FOR IDIOTS VANILLA WUZ HARD" <---Bad/false feedback.
It's the same when I go tell Vanilla players that Vanilla is objectively horrible for Todays standard and they go into a frothing rage.
Gonna risk a derail/tangent here:
It's because they LIKE the objectively horrible experience that was vanilla. They just can't admit that they like trash.
I mean, I'm running on a theme of plain truthhere, if it wasn't obvious. Here's an example:
Fast food is also trash. But, full disclosure: I sometimes LIKE fast food. That doesn't stop it from being bad in an objective sense, though. I don't try to tell people that fast food is somehow good just because I like it.
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Vanilla/Classic experience wan't horrible at all - it was great and all went toward making WoW what it is, relevant to when it occurred. I'm of a mind that continued iteration and improvement doesn't make what came before "horrible," it just means the current product is a step above what it was (and vice-versa in terms of steps in the wrong direction don't necessarily imply the original product was great by comparison).
I'm all for constructive criticism, especially when it includes ideas and opinions as to how perceived wrongs can be righted or made better. But at the end of the day you can never please *everyone* because people are looking for different things and value different elements. You can only hope against hope that in the aggregate the things you value or prefer get buffed while the things you don't get fixed, understanding that you're not always going to come away the "winner."
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
There's also the side of the coin where people nonchalantly disagree with the criticism, and they're branded in numerous negative terms. And there are those that simply state a harsh opinion without any constructive criticism in the opinion.
3 hints to surviving MMO-C forums:
1.) If you have an opinion, someone will say that it is wrong
2.) If you have a source, there will be people who refuse to believe it
3.) If you use logic, it will be largely ignored
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