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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The majority of the US population are incarcerated for minor crimes or the crime of being poor, unless you think Americans are just more prone to crime than anyone else. Our insane prison population that beat totalitarian China is not something to be proud of, that's like being proud of a giant sore on your face. It is testament to bad laws and our for profit prison system.
    Exploiting captives who don't get a choice in the matter to make a tidy profit has always been a favorite.
    It used to go under a more honest name in the past, but I guess avoiding it is a special form of "political correctness".

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    Exploiting captives who don't get a choice in the matter to make a tidy profit has always been a favorite.
    It used to go under a more honest name in the past, but I guess avoiding it is a special form of "political correctness".
    So trying to be a good person is Anti-PC?

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmyan View Post
    Don't see this as an absolute negative, in the EU we let criminals roam free and/or release them once they've only gone through 25% of their initial sentence, even if they have a multiple convictions on their record.

    Some countries pride themselves on low incarceration rates, but they don't mention it's because the EU happens to have a tremendous amount of cowardly and soft judges & magistrates sabotaging their institutions.
    The lesser sentences were designed specifically with the idea that some of these people can integrate back into society. And it works, as you can see the crime rate in the EU is vastly lower than the US.

    The US prison system creates criminals. Someone gets locked for a year, then they can't find a job after they are out, then they go back to crime, then they get locked for 5 years, etc..
    Last edited by haxartus; 2018-01-14 at 11:45 AM.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    It's in the first line:
    Also, older children indirectly posits there's a category discussed for younger children. And the discussion, which you so conveniently missed, was about children that weren't old enough to be adolescents apparently getting shot. That really means babies and not-yet-adolescent children.

    Reading and inferential skills too difficult for alt-righters it seems.
    The discussion was about child death rates and gun violence was brought up as a cause for African-American deaths which is directly stated as being such in the article, you immediately discounted it because you apparently think gun violence is only a thing that happens to adults. If you look at the data you'll see that deaths as a result of homicide is crazy high among the African-American population across all child age groups, in the range of 1.5 to 3 times the average rate.

    Also, sorry to burst your bubble, but malnutrition isn't even in the top 10 causes of death for children of any race.

    CDC Death Stats for 2014 if you want to take a look without a biased article coloring your views


    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    It's what Nazis/white supremacists call themselves now, I just chose to use their label, so if anyone is going to look dumb it's them and you, not me.
    So your position is that Nazis have infiltrated the highest echelons of the US government since the 60s and have been creating economic hardships in an attempt to kill minority children? That's some conspiracy theory level of bullshit. At best there's a callous disregard for the plight of impoverished groups. More likely its people having no idea what the far reaching results of their economic policies will be as we saw with the housing crisis.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiro Tagachi View Post
    I thought leftists love abortions.
    Abortions aren't counted in infant deaths for obvious reasons.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    My error 6% then please explain the discrepancy you just shifted to this is about black people to Hispanics in case you haven't noticed. Texas is the one with the worse stats you can compare it to any number of states the difference is not race.
    actually my argument was more hispanics and poor people that have high obesity rates. somebody else brought up blacks, but yes they are another group prone to problems like this.

  7. #167
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    Americans have lower lifer expectancies and worse infant mortality rates but insist that their health system is the best in the world and certainly way superior to those awful socialist European countries (where people live longer and fewer children die)

    Americans says their justice system of long sentences, more peope locked up for longer and executions is superior to those awful socialist European countries, it's obvious when you consider America has much higher effending rates, a lot more serious crime, much higher re-offending rates and where the states with the death sensence also have the highest murder rates, but where the "softest" European countries have the lowest crime and murder rates in the world

    America says everyone owning a gun prevents crime and stop maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles, it's obvius when you look at European countries where gun ownership is banned and where murder rates, violent crime by armed assailants, accidental deaths are much lower and maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles is virtually unknowm

    LOL

    But then America is where more than half the population believe that the Bible version of how the world was created is literally true, and where you can visit a replica of Noah's Ark or a serious museum where humans are shown as having lived alongside dinosaurs in the garden of eden
    Last edited by mmoc7a6bdbfc72; 2018-01-14 at 12:17 PM.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    Americans have lower lifer expectancies and worse infant mortality rates but insist that their health system is the best in the world and certainly way superior to those awful socialist European countries (where people live longer and fewer children die)

    Americans says their justice system of long sentences, more peope locked up for longer and executions is superior to those awful socialist European countries, it's obvious when you consider America has much higher effending rates, a lot more serious crime, much higher re-offending rates and where the states with the death sensence also have the highest murder rates, but where the "softest" European countries have the lowest crime and murder rates in the world

    America says everyone owning a gun prevents crime and stop maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles, it's obvius when you look at European countries where gun ownership is banned and where murder rates, violent crime by armed assailants, accidental deaths are much lower and maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles is virtually unknowm
    you just don't understand Americans we love our freedom fries and freedom burgers and we like to shoot commies with our freedom bullets.

    #MAGA

    Make
    Ark
    Great
    Again
    Last edited by szechuan; 2018-01-14 at 12:56 PM.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    Americans have lower lifer expectancies and worse infant mortality rates but insist that their health system is the best in the world and certainly way superior to those awful socialist European countries (where people live longer and fewer children die)

    Americans says their justice system of long sentences, more peope locked up for longer and executions is superior to those awful socialist European countries, it's obvious when you consider America has much higher effending rates, a lot more serious crime, much higher re-offending rates and where the states with the death sensence also have the highest murder rates, but where the "softest" European countries have the lowest crime and murder rates in the world

    America says everyone owning a gun prevents crime and stop maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles, it's obvius when you look at European countries where gun ownership is banned and where murder rates, violent crime by armed assailants, accidental deaths are much lower and maniacs going on rampages with assualt rifles is virtually unknowm

    LOL

    But then America is where more than half the population believe that the Bible version of how the world was created is literally true, and where you can visit a replica of Noah's Ark or a serious museum where humans are shown as having lived alongside dinosaurs in the garden of eden
    its sad foreigners are fed this bullshit by their news. oh well, ignorance is bliss.

    i mean sure some part of USA are not that great but when it comes to the greatest, we have it.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    its sad foreigners are fed this bullshit by their news. oh well, ignorance is bliss.

    i mean sure some part of USA are not that great but when it comes to the greatest, we have it.
    Keep telling yourself that.

  11. #171
    America! Fuck yeah!

    Even at child death they're better than the others

  12. #172
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    It's all true, when you look at the statistics, the countries with properly funded socialised health systems have the best outcomes, by measures like cancer survivial rates, infant mortality, life expectancy and so on. The American healthcare system is very good if you can afford it fully, but lots of Americans can't, so they are forced into an inadequate safety net which dramatically drags the averages down. An purely insurance based system is one where profit is always placed first. This enourages massive iefficiences and bad practise, for example it's mor eprofitable for a hospital to keep someone alive but needing treatment than it is to cure them. It's mor eprofitable to subject a patient to lots of expensive tests that probably aren;t needed. At th eother end, insurance companies won;t touch some people with a bargepole. I was born with chronic, inherited asthma. The medical or insurance fees would have been astronomical, or not available at all.

    Likewise with the crime figures. You insist that America's harsh system of long custodial sentences and the death penalty works. If it did, America would have much lower crime rates and crimes punishable by death woul dbe virtually unknown, whilst the soft, liberalcountries in Europe that focus on rehabilitation and where exeuction is banned would be hotbeds of violent crime and murder. The opposite is true; it's the European countries that have lower crime and murder rates, and America that has more crime, and the states with the death penalty have some of the highest murder rates of all.

    Gun ownership: the gun lobby argues that guns prevent crime, that armed citizens can protect themselves and shoot maniacs with guns. The reality, though, is that it has turne dinto an armed race.

    Criminals are habitually armed, over heavily so (sometimes so much that the cops have to call in army units). You get maniacs with guns because guns are so easy to obtain. Massacres by lunatics with assault rifles are virtually unheard of in Europe.

    It is also true that more than half of Americans believe the Biblical creation story is literally true.

    Here is the Noah's Ark you can visit:

    https://arkencounter.com/

    and the Creationist museum

    https://creationmuseum.org/

    It's a weird vanity that Americans insist they have the best of everything when it can be factually proven to be untrue. Why take it as a personal insult? Europe isn;t perfect, I'm happy to say that America does some stuff better than we do.

  13. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Considering Arab countries are all Muslim-domination and Muslims are always for adding Sharia into secular law I'd say my statement stands.
    Well unfortunately for you I got real life experience with people from Arab countries. So I just happened to know that you are wrong. But of course, the only reason you don't know is because your country doesn't want you to. It's a way for it to control you, so don't feel bad for not knowing.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The majority of the US population are incarcerated for minor crimes or the crime of being poor...
    I'm amazed at the various odd things people believe about incarceration, but this meme is about just about tops. Which of these would you classify as the "crime of being poor" and how do you get that to being the majority?



    People are mostly in jail for violence, stealing, or drugs. I'm personally not a fan of our drug policies and would love to see some liberalization of these laws, but let's be clear, these aren't "caught with a joint" level offenses.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The majority of the US population are incarcerated for minor crimes or the crime of being poor, unless you think Americans are just more prone to crime than anyone else. Our insane prison population that beat totalitarian China is not something to be proud of, that's like being proud of a giant sore on your face. It is testament to bad laws and our for profit prison system.
    Indeed, imho prisons should be limited to people that have a high chance of hurting other individuals and the ones that have done so already...but that wouldn't be as profitable.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    It's all true, when you look at the statistics, the countries with properly funded socialised health systems have the best outcomes, by measures like cancer survivial rates, infant mortality, life expectancy and so on.
    There are a few things to nitpick here - infant mortality is not calculated the same across country and the United States cancer outcomes are better than most other countries (although it varies by cancer and it's not clear that American goals with regard to cancer a good idea, even if they lengthen lives). Life expectancy is so heavily skewed by demographics (race, fitness, obesity, diet) that it's not a particularly good metric for medical systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    This enourages massive iefficiences and bad practise, for example it's mor eprofitable for a hospital to keep someone alive but needing treatment than it is to cure them.
    Can you provide any examples of this actually happening? As near as I can tell, the notion of doctors that deliberately keep people sick for profit is nothing but a vicious slander.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    It's mor eprofitable to subject a patient to lots of expensive tests that probably aren;t needed.
    This claim may have slightly more veracity in that many tests are run that I wouldn't personally describe as particularly medically necessary. Nonetheless, the primary motivation for this is generally CYA with regard to malpractice and diagnosis rather than profit motivation. There simply isn't any link between the salary of an authorizing provider and the quantity of tests run; in fact, metrics run the other direction in reporting, determining whether unnecessary tests are being run.

    If you believe that doctors order unnecessary tests to increase hospital profits, you're going to need to lay out a coherent mechanism for how that would work - what's the incentive? Who's instructing them to do that? The reality of testing in hospitals is that even the lab personnel that run tests generally don't know what the costs of the tests are, don't know what cost centers the charges file to, and have no idea who's going to be paying for it. Cost overruns are (at least in part) driven by the complete disconnect between the ordering provider and the cost of a test - there are multiple layers of personnel and timing between who's ordering a test and who's profiting from it.

    There are certainly good points to be made about problems with the American healthcare system and some of them do come from private nature of the system, but the points you're making above are essentially propaganda that slanders medical care employees, most of whom are dedicated to improving patient care and that have no connection whatsoever to the profits involved.

  17. #177
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm amazed at the various odd things people believe about incarceration, but this meme is about just about tops. Which of these would you classify as the "crime of being poor" and how do you get that to being the majority?



    People are mostly in jail for violence, stealing, or drugs. I'm personally not a fan of our drug policies and would love to see some liberalization of these laws, but let's be clear, these aren't "caught with a joint" level offenses.
    So if the US system is so effective why do you have more crime which leads to locking more people up?

    You're like one of the Dark Ages doctors who insisted that bleeding a patient cured him and that if he got worse it wasn't due to the bleeding but not bleeding him enough.

    "Oh dear, he died,obviously ran out of blood too soon to effect the cure!"

    So why is the US society so violent,so criminal, and so addicted to drugs?

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    So if the US system is so effective why do you have more crime which leads to locking more people up?

    You're like one of the Dark Ages doctors who insisted that bleeding a patient cured him and that if he got worse it wasn't due to the bleeding but not bleeding him enough.

    "Oh dear, he died,obviously ran out of blood too soon to effect the cure!"

    So why is the US society so violent,so criminal, and so addicted to drugs?
    I didn't comment on the efficacy of the system, I objected to a specific, false statement about it. I'm not interested in your digression from that.

  19. #179
    "Extremely preterm births recorded in some places may be considered a miscarriage or still birth in other countries. Since survival before 22 weeks or under 500 grams is very rare, categorizing these births as live births will inflate reported infant mortality rates (which are reported as a share of live births)."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5b59cbd141d2


    An infant death in the US is often logged as a miscarriage in many of the low infant mortality countries.

    It's a reporting issue.
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    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

  20. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    The lesser sentences were designed specifically with the idea that some of these people can integrate back into society. And it works, as you can see the crime rate in the EU is vastly lower than the US.
    Tell that to the families of those who got mawed down in France on Bastille Day by a lunatic that already had a record of violence that would have sent him to jail in any self respecting country but not in our sweet and lovely EU. There are thousands of exemples like that on any scale across the UK, France & Germany, where gang rape and barbarism are now an everyday habit.

    You are so full of crap and blind to what's going on.
    There is an unprecedented violent crime wave hitting our countries and we have to listen to smartasses like you that are in such a hurry to find excuses for criminals and press the urge to reintegrate them back into society, while ignoring the victims that are not so lucky to have their limbs grow back or their loved ones brought back to life.

    I sincerely hope you won't find yourself or someone you love at the wrong place on the wrong time.

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