Nigel Farage warming to second EU referendum

[cubby]

O...k, you brought up the spelling issue

I did, and admitted I was wrong. Back to Brexit? Those numbers say Brexit would now fail.

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I did, and admitted I was wrong. Back to Brexit? Those numbers say Brexit would now fail.

But not by a large margin, besides it's not going to happen would just complicate matters

[cubby]

They also show Remain voters to not think it should be called off in case of hard Brexit (which makes sense if they have constantly been harassed as Remoaners who cannot accept the will of the people; they seem to have accepted it), which might in turn suggest even lower turnout among people who'd vote Remain.

I'm not sure what you mean here. What is suggesting that Remain voters would turn out in lower amounts?

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But not by a large margin, besides it's not going to happen would just complicate matters

It didn't pass by a large margin so . . . . Would definitely complicated matters.

[Zarc]

Polls disagree but then polls aren't everything

If you mean to say that polls don't support the claim that "Remain will win by a landslide", then you are correct.

If you mean to say that polls don't show Remain leading, though, then reality would disagree with you given that 15 out of the 20 latest polls show Remain ahead, with only 2 out of the latest 20 polls showing Leave ahead. Just fact-checking, not advocating for a second referendum in any way.

[minteK917]

Translation: Please revote, we are at a stand still and i have no part in anything anymore. It will win even more i swear, even if it will lose. But at least i can keep my career of bitching about EU again.

[szechuan]

does this guy still matter in the UK?

[ranzino]

does this guy still matter in the UK?

He is loud enough to be a nuisance still and Brexit is his baby. but he cannot decide anything, just give comments and offer weird ideas.

[Deleted]

What assures us that 'he's just joking' isn't just -your- spin, especially considering that people afflicted by the recent wave of populism have a habit of trying to explain away statements that are fundamentally no deeper than their face value.

Because my communist little friend. If you listened to the fucking interview, you'd understand.

[szechuan]

Because my communist little friend. If you listened to the fucking interview, you'd understand.

That's funny coming from a SOCIALIST SOCIALISM OF ENGLAND.

[Noradin]

This excerpt I guess:

I understand "just be called off" to mean "without a new referendum as basis" in that context.

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Would you really want to stay now though, after all that has happened?

You'd forever be Frances bitch, since they will never forget what you guys tried to pull.
No one would even listen to the input from the UK anymore in Brussels, you would just be there to pull your wallet (kinda how it already was, but even worse).

[rogueMatthias]

Would you really want to stay now though, after all that has happened?

You'd forever be Frances bitch, since they will never forget what you guys tried to pull.
No one would even listen to the input from the UK anymore in Brussels, you would just be there to pull your wallet (kinda how it already was, but even worse).

That's the thing - It was always going to be that way. The "Leave" and "Remain" titles were always misleading - If the UK had voted "Remain" it would have been under very different conditions and with little leverage for the UK. Our position of power in the EU was already changing, that's why the vote was called in the first place.

The threat of a Brexit referendum was always the top-trump that our government tried to use whenever it wanted anything from the EU.

The EU had enough of the UK trying to have their say and so tried to call their bluff; giving Cameron nothing on any requests and not even meeting half way.

Cameron countered by actually calling a referendum (which I don't think anybody really thought would happen) and then the public had their say (which people DEFINITELY didn't think would actually happen). If the UK went back on it now, it would just be the EU's bitch- I don't even know if it would still have a defence against joining the shared currency.

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That's the thing - It was always going to be that way. The "Leave" and "Remain" titles were always misleading - If the UK had voted "Remain" it would have been under very different conditions and with little leverage for the UK. Our position of power in the EU was already changing, that's why the vote was called in the first place.

The threat of a Brexit referendum was always the top-trump that our government tried to use whenever it wanted anything from the EU.

The EU had enough of the UK trying to have their say and so tried to call their bluff; giving Cameron nothing on any requests and not even meeting half way.

Cameron countered by actually calling a referendum (which I don't think anybody really thought would happen) and then the public had their say (which people DEFINITELY didn't think would actually happen). If the UK went back on it now, it would just be the EU's bitch- I don't even know if it would still have a defence against joining the shared currency.

Cameron got strong consessions from the EU. Not nothing on any request or no meeting halfway. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35622105

Cameron called the referendum because of intertal conservative party politics. He didn't what was best for the country because he was worried about his job. David Cameron feared he would be ousted as Tory leader if he did not commit to holding a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU.

Like all tories he is a self serving coward.

[ranzino]

Eh if they remained, they'd still have veto rights and they'd still have parliament votes (I mean, if their MPs bothered to show up for the vote).

if you pay into the pot you have a say, always.

[Noradin]

if you pay into the pot you have a say, always.

When you consider paying money a form of speech, then yes.

[ranzino]

Well Norway pays in the pot and has no say. It is just that it is not politically smart to vote for accession, even though Norway would automatically join the EU since they meet every prerequisite and would then get to vote on everything. But the EU has a markedly bad and undeserved reputation all over Europe because let's face it, it's not just the UK that has scapegoated it for everything and unlike parties in local politics, it has no voice; for it to have a voice would be a blow to the individual sovereignty of the countries in the EU apparently.

in case of remain UK stays a member of EU and is by default able to voice concerns; an advantage over Norway's current status. And AFAIK UK was never shy to voice opinions ?

[ranzino]

No, not at all. They even got their way more of the time than they should tbh. It's just that the people of the UK never seemed to figure that out.
Though I don't know exactly how they could call it off. The article was triggered after all.

May needs to talk with Tusk, but ASAP. did she sent the famous letter of invocation without consent of parliament ? then she could revoke it also on her own.

[ranzino]

That would be both sad and hilarious. Grand Tragicomedy.

whatever it takes, it needs to be done before march and the second phase of negotiations IMHO. Brexit has a tendency to become its very own self fulfilling prophecy with each passing day.

[rayvio]

Nigel Farage doesn't give an actual shit about the UK.

well of course, he's an egotistical arsehole. he's also just the same as every other politician on the planet though

[Noradin]

well of course, he's an egotistical arsehole. he's also just the same as every other politician on the planet though

This is a) untrue and b) whataboutism.
(Unless you have proof that it isn't his fault but caused by him being forced to be a politician, in which case: Please do share your sources.)