Soda Tax Sticker Shock Grips Seattle

[draynay]

Well just to give you an idea, where I live we pay 15 cents on every dollar unless it is a perishable item. Our alcohol is like a 45% tax, a 24 pack of beer is like 60$.

Jinkies, no wonder those dudes pretended to find a mouse in their beer bottle in that one Canadian documentary I saw.

[Celista]

Soda tax does not affect the soda in the grocery stores to the best of my knowledge. Only the over-counter fountain sales. It's not that big of a deal and Seattle will survive. It's stupid, but that's Seattle sometimes.

It affects all soda and energy drinks with sugar in them. Diet and unsweetened drinks are unaffected.

http://komonews.com/news/local/new-s...fect-january-1

[Tiwack]

Could be worse. People will go to the border for cheap soda if they drink enough to make it worthwhile. Or they'll finally regulate their consumption. Win-win.

[Stelio Kontos]

I'll wait for Seattle to have better leadership before I'll consider living or shopping there again.

Then again, I guess they need the cash to pay off the mayor's victims.

[EliWallach]

/shrug. Seattleites voted them in so this must be the type of progressive action they want.

[Oakshana]

It affects all soda and energy drinks with sugar in them. Diet and unsweetened drinks are unaffected.

http://komonews.com/news/local/new-s...fect-january-1

Fair enough. I was going on what a coworker had told me. I still don't think it's awful.

[Celista]

Fair enough. I was going on what a coworker had told me. I still don't think it's awful.

I think the diet soda exclusion is good. I'm not convinced diet soda is as terrible for you as some people claim (not saying it's good for you either). It can probably help some people transition off of regular soda, at least.

[kail]

Terrible, I mean sugar is good for you and the more you have the better you life will be and the healthier you'll be. Oh wait, not at all.

In Canada the taxes on tobacco products eventually ended up paying for a good portion of the cancer treatments.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the taxes on tobacco encouraged - at least in part - people to quit smoking.

I see sugar taxes no more different than tobacco taxes. So long as that revenue goes toward healthcare, it makes sense to tax such objectively unhealthy products. Still, 66% of the cost is simply insane. Is tobacco tax that high as well?

[Exeris]

The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

A little old, from 2015.

Even when the attempts at tax fails the media coverage and debate it sparks end up having the positive effect the tax was intended for.

[PogChamp]

if they find out how to force this tax on amazon it might be relevant.

[BlackMage66652]

That awkward moment when even here in San Francisco the tax is only 1 cent-per-ounce on sugary drinks. Seattle, you crazy as fuck.

[TheBeardedOne]

Wars have started over less.

Also, instead of taxing soda, why subsidize healthy options if the goal is to get people to make healthier choices?

People drink soda because its cheap and widely available. I go to the Walmart get my water then some none water. Can get 5 tons of soda for $0.50. Half an ounce of green WTF juice cost $30 (of course Im making up units and prices but you get the point). Okay lets be more realistic. I can go to the local gas station and get a gallon of soda for $0.79 or pay $3 for 8oz of some real orange juice. Thats why people buy soda.

Introducing a tax helps but not much. People are already hooked/in their ways, unit prices are still better healthy options, "well at least my coke is now helping the city" (sugar taxes are typically in cities with good social/public programs so you see the fruit of your taxes).

Why the fuck would you buy water?

[Knolan]

Didn't they had a increase in alcoholism levels when they tried that in Philadelphia, since beer got cheaper than soda?

[Elim Garak]

Just buy a sugar free version and ADD sugar until you die.

[Zeta333]

A sugar tax is fine, just don't exaggerate with it.

If they want to sugar tax they should do it with everything everwhere. Right now they are fucking with people in seattle and they all just leave the city and buy bulk. They are TRYING to get it to pass statewide. Luckily for me i live next to the military base and can purchase the shit from there for no tax. so fuck them again.

[Deleted]

Just like tax on alchohol and cigarettes, it wont decrease sales one bit because people need their "fix".

Tax dollars are the only reason they do this.

[Ripster42]

What's the tax breakdown on cigarettes per pack now? I fail to see how taxing sugared beverages is any different.

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Just like tax on alchohol and cigarettes, it wont decrease sales one bit because people need their "fix".

Tax dollars are the only reason they do this.

At least for cigs, use declines with tax increases, especially among new/potential users and poor people. So better luck lying somewhere else.

[cubby]

1.75 cents per OUNCE on sugary drinks, that's $10.34 tax on a $15.00 Case of Coke.

I know sugary drinks are bad for you but this is a little out of hand. Don't you risk creating a black market with taxes like these?




https://pjmedia.com/trending/soda-ta...grips-seattle/

On January 1, Seattle had several new progressive laws go into effect. Along with mandatory paid sick leave, mandates for employers to post work schedules 14 days in advance, and severe restrictions on short-term rental platforms (Airbnb, VRBO, etc.), Seattle imposed a massive new soda tax — 1.75 cents per OUNCE on sugary drinks.

In response, at least one major retailer advertised in detail the reason for the significant increase in prices.

Costco, famous for selling products in bulk quantities, faces especially stiff price increases. On the previously mentioned pallet of 35 bottles of Gatorade, a list price of $15.99 is taxed $10.34, with a total cost of $26.33. Signs all over the Seattle stores list the tax separately, and then have another sign offering solutions to the consumer:


This item is also available at our Tukwila and Shoreline locations without City of Seattle Sweetened Beverage Tax. (Sweetened Beverage Recovery Fee)
Notice that they try to hide its true nature by calling it a fee instead of a tax. That is a common tactic among public officials looking to appear tough on tax increases.

This insane new tax fee applies to a wide range of beverages, as a stroll through Costco will demonstrate:


Two weeks in, and this issue still dominates social media — and for good reason. Sticker shock has gripped Seattle. Luckily, a solution presented itself right away, as Costco pointed out. Just head to the next town over to avoid the tax!

A plan so crazy it just might work.

Of course, don't ask Seattle City Council members about that. In fact, they held a press conference to make the simultaneous points that the new tax will generate $15 million in new revenue for the city, and the new tax will force people to consume fewer beverages that they consider unhealthy.

Yes, really:

“I’m just very excited,” said Jim Krieger, who is on the committee for Seattle Healthy Kids Coalition and is the executive director of Health Food America.
“The hope is consumption of the unhealthy product -- which causes heart disease, diabetes -- will go down, the sugary drinks to go down, and we fully expect that to be the case,” Krieger said.

The other purpose is tax dollars.

The $15 million Seattle expects to raise from the tax will go toward programs that will help people who are in need have better access to fresh fruits and vegetables. The money will also fund education programs. See the full breakdown provided at the end of the article.

But back at Costco, signs above each taxed sugary drink remind shoppers you can leave the city and buy the product without paying the tax.

And that’s what Villagran plans to do. “It’ll have to be Tukwila, the closest to me,” she said.

KIRO7 has talked with worried business owners, but City Council members say they’ve looked at data from other cities that have this tax.

“Do you have any concerns at all about this hurting local businesses and driving shoppers out of Seattle?” KIRO7’s Deedee Sun asked City Council members at the press conference on Friday.

“We did not see any data that really shored up the argument that this hurts local businesses,” said Lorena González, a Seattle City Council member.

“There’s not a lot of cross-border shopping. People realize it’s not worth my while,” Krieger said. One of his roles with the Seattle Healthy Kids Coalition is to follow the impact of the sugary drink taxes in other cities.

So they hope to curtail this unhealthy behavior, and when people still buy these drinks anyway, the tax revenue will help the city, and people aren't going to think about paying 40 less by driving a mile and a half outside of town to purchase a product they were going to buy anyway.

Got it?

When this hare-brained proposal was first floated last spring, it originally included coffee drinks that contained sugar, and also diet drinks — because not including them would be racist.

Yes, really:

The Seattle City Council approved a proposal by Mayor Ed Murray (D) to impose a new tax on sales of soda, coffee, and other beverages containing sugar and artificial sweeteners.
... Murray revised a previously announced soda tax to include “diet” drinks containing non-caloric artificial sweeteners, after city Councilmember Tim Burgess raised concerns about the regressive nature of soda taxes. Burgess cited research studies showing taxes levied on added-sugar drinks took more money from low-income earners and minority demographics than other classes.

“After Murray’s initial announcement, some suggested the exclusion of beverages with artificial sweeteners would be unfair because affluent white people tend to consume more diet drinks,” The Seattle Times reported ...

[...]

Because the tax includes non-soda drinks containing syrup or sweetener, customers at coffee shops such as Starbucks will be required to pay an additional tax of about 21 cents for every “tall” cup of espresso.

Eventually, the City Council left these beverages out of the final ordinance.

Billionaire Michael Bloomberg has made it his personal crusade to raise these taxes in municipalities all across the nation, funding campaigns in several major cities. Despite the high-minded objectives of forcing people to avoid risky behavior — to save them from themselves — most observers realize this move for what it is: nothing more than a dressed up revenue grab.

Chris Snowdon is director of lifestyle economics at the Institute of Economic Affairs in the UK. In an interview, he said:

Many politicians have given up the pretence that soda taxes are about anything other than raising revenue. France taxes diet drinks at the same rate as sugary drinks and Portugal plans to do likewise. Claims about health and obesity were only ever used to provide for cover for taxes that hit the poor. The ‘public health’ lobby have been the useful idiots for a political tax-grab.

These types of sin taxes have been tried in many cities across the US, with results mixed at best. Last year, Chicago repealed a smaller soda tax after an outcry from retailers. The Chicago Tribune summed up what most city residents suspected: "That penny-per-ounce soda tax had nothing to do with our health. It was only about the money." Albuquerque, N.M. also repealed its soda tax in 2017, and Philadelphia is reportedly considering doing away with its soda tax as well.

This is a perfect example of people meddling too much into personal affairs. This is also why young democrats become old republicans (at least awhile back). I know people who live in this city, and they are just quietly shaking their head.

[Pickynerd]

I'll work just as well as the war on drugs did.

[Barnabas]

Just buy soft drinks outside of Seattle and you never pay the sugar tax?