USA should be stricter on crime like Singapore

[Elba]

Singapore is, in my opinion, draconian in many of its laws and penalties. However, the US could drastically improve its courts and criminal laws to be stricter on violence and less strict in nonviolent and drug related crimes.

Applying stricter penalties on crime will never happen in the US as they would be called racist since criminality is far higher in certain groups. Limiting the drug war would help balance that difference, but not eliminate it.

From a European perspective, American law is draconian as hell too. The length of punishment, even for non violent crimes, plus shitty prison conditions, plus slave labor, as fuuuuucked up.

5% of the world population. 25% of the prisoners.

I mean fuck, y'all execute minors and mentally disabled people.

[Sky High]

Nah, why don’t you move there and enjoy it yourself.

And as others have pointed out decriminalizing drugs and not being so heavy handed with punishment for non violent crime would make things easier for the country as a whole.

[Doctor Amadeus]

From a European perspective, American law is draconian as hell too. The length of punishment, even for non violent crimes, plus shitty prison conditions, plus slave labor, as fuuuuucked up.

5% of the world population. 25% of the prisoners.

I mean fuck, y'all execute minors and mentally disabled people.

Plus lack of education poor funding for training, cuts to programs that encourage youth and mentorship programs. Kids need and want structure.

[Deleted]

Sure, but how much personal freedom are you willing to trade? How draconian do you want punishments even more minor offenses to be to enforce peace?

What personal freedoms exactly are they trading away? And I doubt they are throwing people to prison over some parking ticket or accidental speeding.

[Elba]

Because it's so hard to not commit crimes....

Not the point. The point is that punishments are way out of proportion. Fuck people over. Which makes it hard to integrate. Which leads to more crime.

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What personal freedoms exactly are they trading away? And I doubt they are throwing people to prison over some parking ticket or accidental speeding.

Well, you get hit with a cane for chewing gum.

[Anevers]

Do we not already have a higher percentage of our population incarcerated when compared to other nations?

[Elba]

Do we not already have a higher percentage of our population compared to other nations incarcerated?

Yes. America has 5% of the world population. Yet about a quarter of the global prisoners.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Because it's so hard to not commit crimes....

Which crimes do you mean. Yes having less access to outlets and things that help better people leads to increased crime which is over all why crime went down not up on the 90’s. And 2000’s

[Mistame]

Stopped reading at "worldstarhiphop.com".

[arandomuser]

the comments section is all racist, lol it has nothing to do with race, their government is basically a fascist dictatorship, hell i bet if you looked at saudi arabia they have almost no crime, because everything there is a death penalty too, or maybe for a more relevent example in africa, mummar gadaffi before he was toppled. But here in the US we have this stupid document that explicitly says punishments cant be "cruel or unusual" which courts have translated into not allowing alot of these punishments on society and certain death penalty methods, IE beheading.

[NoiseTank13]

the comments section is all racist, lol it has nothing to do with race, their government is basically a fascist dictatorship, hell i bet if you looked at saudi arabia they have almost no crime, because everything there is a death penalty too, or maybe for a more relevent example in africa, mummar gadaffi before he was toppled. But here in the US we have this stupid document that explicitly says punishments cant be "cruel or unusual" which courts have translated into not allowing alot of these punishments on society and certain death penalty methods, IE beheading.

Don't they still remove peoples hands for stealing?

[WoWAltoholic]

Porn and Weed (even for medicinal purposes) are illegal in Singapore. That seems like a "deal breaker" for most. Can't live without medicinal porn.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Don't they still remove peoples hands for stealing?

Yeah that kind of garbage is unnecessary. That has nothing to do with dealing with crime or justice.

[Moshots]

I have no desire to force an authoritarian society onto others. That's the dream of fake conservatives who have a hard on for oppressing others. Fuck that.

what about just a little like rolling the national guard into chicago/st louis/ect and locking up everyone tied in any part to gangs for 10-life single handitly stopping the drug trade and saving millions of lives of people who would OD along with stopping all the senceless gang on gang violence in the street that catch innocents and kids in the crossfire..

IDK to me gang members are worse than dirt and not worth the air they breath...

[Khelek]

From a European perspective, American law is draconian as hell too. The length of punishment, even for non violent crimes, plus shitty prison conditions, plus slave labor, as fuuuuucked up.

5% of the world population. 25% of the prisoners.

I mean fuck, y'all execute minors and mentally disabled people.

The US has more violent crime than Europe and most people are not tolerant of violent crime thus the harsher penalties. You can debate the reasons for the greater violence.

I would argue that economic complications that arose from a terrible welfare system pushed people into the drug trade which in turn lead to the war on drugs and the rise in violence associated with black markets. This was combined with the legacy of discrimination and human beings tribal nature created societal schisms and a drop in social trust. Would harsher penalties fix these problems? I believe that to be unlikely which is why most advocate for harsher penalties for violent and less for nonviolent crimes while fixing the economic problems. People who are well fed and have jobs are more tolerant of others leading to the slow process of merging cultures and people into one group.

As for Europe, the destabilizing factor that will arise from current migration trends will lead to an increase in crime and a decrease in social trust. Even assuming that those migrating had identical cultures beliefs to the natives, simply being from somewhere else with a different accent or skin color will be a dividing point and lead to more violence and crime arsing from this distrust. How Europe handles these problems will determine the course of their laws and societies. It will be difficult as can be seen by the fact that places in Europe are mobilizing their militarizes to control their streets and borders.

Generally, there is a correlation between the amount and severity of crime and the levels of the penalties. Look at the crack epidemic. As it rose in to extreme levels in minority communities in the US, those same communities lobbied for extreme repercussions for those selling and found in possession of the drug. Similar responses have been seen in regards to methamphetamine in the white communities in the US. Harsher penalties for crimes arise in result to increases in crime and the societal breakdown that results.

Thus, if you want to be more lax, like in Europe, you need to build societies that do not produce criminals.

[araine]

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...S7isQ1VXNI0EpG

Wonder if we could do that here. At least in the major cities I think we can.

We dont need nazi laws on the books we have enough problems as is right now

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The US has more violent crime than Europe and most people are not tolerant of violent crime thus the harsher penalties. You can debate the reasons for the greater violence.

I would argue that economic complications that arose from a terrible welfare system pushed people into the drug trade which in turn lead to the war on drugs and the rise in violence associated with black markets. This was combined with the legacy of discrimination and human beings tribal nature created societal schisms and a drop in social trust. Would harsher penalties fix these problems? I believe that to be unlikely which is why most advocate for harsher penalties for violent and less for nonviolent crimes while fixing the economic problems. People who are well fed and have jobs are more tolerant of others leading to the slow process of merging cultures and people into one group.

As for Europe, the destabilizing factor that will arise from current migration trends will lead to an increase in crime and a decrease in social trust. Even assuming that those migrating had identical cultures beliefs to the natives, simply being from somewhere else with a different accent or skin color will be a dividing point and lead to more violence and crime arsing from this distrust. How Europe handles these problems will determine the course of their laws and societies. It will be difficult as can be seen by the fact that places in Europe are mobilizing their militarizes to control their streets and borders.

Generally, there is a correlation between the amount and severity of crime and the levels of the penalties. Look at the crack epidemic. As it rose in to extreme levels in minority communities in the US, those same communities lobbied for extreme repercussions for those selling and found in possession of the drug. Similar responses have been seen in regards to methamphetamine in the white communities in the US. Harsher penalties for crimes arise in result to increases in crime.

Thus, if you want to be more lax, like in Europe, you need to build societies that do not produce criminals.

Fix the underlaying problem, namely poverty and the insane income inequality in the USA and you fix the crime problem as well really it is that easy to fix this just to many that make $$$$ on the system as it is right now

[Elba]

So I should feel bad for someone that intentionally fucked their lives up? That's like feeling bad for someone that loses an arm for juggling chain saws. There's a very easy way to avoid the outcome, don't. fucking. do. it.

If you are incapable of having empathy for people who get their lives ruined over even minor mistakes, maybe feel bad for your society as this breeds even more crime?

Like, you do understand the point, right? The problem isn't people being punished for breaking the law, the point is that the punishment for even minor offenses is way too harsh and the treatment of convicts in your society makes it incredibly hard for people to get their lives on the right track.

[Doctor Amadeus]

So I should feel bad for someone that intentionally fucked their lives up? That's like feeling bad for someone that loses an arm for juggling chain saws. There's a very easy way to avoid the outcome, don't. fucking. do. it.

Yes it’s called compassion you should try it. It’s not some sort Liberal idea it’s just called being a decent human being. It also doesn’t fix problems by acting superior to everyone else.

People make mistakes and the way for them to turn around and comeback from those mistakes is by asking better questions even if we think we know why you made one choice and someone else made another and because as life is if you do make a mistake you sure would be hoping for the same.

Most of this we are talking about kids dumb kids like everyone was once. Nobody deserves to be chain to a life of nothing and no possibility other than jail, crime or death.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

From a European perspective, American law is draconian as hell too. The length of punishment, even for non violent crimes, plus shitty prison conditions, plus slave labor, as fuuuuucked up.

5% of the world population. 25% of the prisoners.

I mean fuck, y'all execute minors and mentally disabled people.

Slave labor in prisons? I like to watch prison documentary’s I haven’t seen any where they prisons are forced to work is that still a thing in some?

[cubby]

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...S7isQ1VXNI0EpG

Wonder if we could do that here. At least in the major cities I think we can.

Because Singapore is such a beacon of democratic values and norms.