Mathias shaw is my employee

[shaunika123]

so on what grounds does he go off telling anduin about the azerite?

I thought I was the leader of every single rogue out there. Can't I just slap the crap out of him for that?

[Varolyn]

so on what grounds does he go off telling anduin about the azerite?

I thought I was the leader of every single rogue out there. Can't I just slap the crap out of him for that?

To my understanding, he never actually joined the uncrowned. He would only show up in the order hall when he had an item to give you because of his one ability, and him being a bodyguard/champion was just him returning the favor for saving his life, regardless of faction. In the end I think he's fully loyal to the alliance though.

[3DTyrant]

Isn't he the leader of the SI:7? I don't think he needs your permission to do his job...

[Wyrt]

I think you missed the part where the entire rogue campaign was written as if your character was a human.

[shaunika123]

Isn't he the leader of the SI:7? I don't think he needs your permission to do his job...

since I'm the leader of every single rogue, then ipso facto I'm the leader of the SI:7 too.

[Arrashi]

I think you missed the part where the entire rogue campaign was written as if your character was a human.

But isn't that the right way to play the game ?

[Swizzington]

since I'm the leader of every single rogue, then ipso facto I'm the leader of the SI:7 too.

I don't think that's how it works.

[Wyrt]

But isn't that the right way to play the game ?

Seems that way most of the time.

[shaunika123]

You actually aren't the leader of every single rogue. You're a shadowblade, the same rank as Ravenholdt and the others. It's a council thing not a single leader.

no, actually I was elected leader of the uncrowned, and I send every other shadowblade where I wish on a whim so yeah I'm pmuch the leader.

[corebit]

no, actually I was elected leader of the uncrowned, and I send every other shadowblade where I wish on a whim so yeah I'm pmuch the leader.

Aren't the Order Halls disbanding because their purpose for existing is gone with the Legion defeated? With the Legion threat ended, the Order Halls disband, everyone returns to their respective factions, and the player characters no longer have any authority over them. The PCs still be called Highlord, Archmage, etc., out of respect due to their contributions.

Also, it's pretty ludicrous to believe important NPCs like Lady Liadrin, Rexar, Shaw, etc. will be obeying the player characters forever. They will do their own thing as always.

[Darktbs]

no, actually I was elected leader of the uncrowned, and I send every other shadowblade where I wish on a whim so yeah I'm pmuch the leader.

Why don't you go out to him and ask him personally?

I'm shure he will answer you.

[Aucald]

Matthias Shaw is the head of his own order, and chief of intelligence and head spymaster for the Alliance armies. In that capacity I'm pretty sure he trumps the head of the Uncrowned, and even still he'll probably do whatever he wants in any case.

[Dispraise]

I thought I was the leader of every single rogue out there.

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the meaning of the word "rogue".

[skitzin]

since I'm the leader of every single rogue, then ipso facto I'm the leader of the SI:7 too.

1. That's literally not how being a rogue works.

2. You are the leader of the Uncrowned. This is not an all inclusive of all rogues but rather of some rogues who use their positions to influence global outcomes.

[Destinas]

Mathias Shaw states in the Uncrowned quests that he will not officially join the Uncrowned, but he will provide assistance because the Shadowblade helped him and the SI:7. Same as how the Shattered Hand are in the rogue order hall, but aren't part of the council.

So, no, Mathias answers to Anduin, and he doesn't answer to the Shadowblade. Also, order halls are just being forgotten by BfA anyway, so even if he was subservient to the Shadowblade, it won't matter soon enough.

[mickybrighteyes]

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the meaning of the word "rogue".

so much this...

Rogues have a blurred sense of loyalty to anything but themselves under normal circumstances. They barely held it together for profit and self interest originally with a few examples of characters striving for something more.

[Magnagarde]

so on what grounds does he go off telling anduin about the azerite?

I thought I was the leader of every single rogue out there. Can't I just slap the crap out of him for that?

No. The playable character merely lead the combined efforts of a specific class. The anti-Legion efforts are over and everyone is going back to where they were. On top of this, this character specifically stated that he isn't joining the rogue order you talk about.

[Florena]

To my understanding, he never actually joined the uncrowned. He would only show up in the order hall when he had an item to give you because of his one ability, and him being a bodyguard/champion was just him returning the favor for saving his life, regardless of faction. In the end I think he's fully loyal to the alliance though.

This right here. He was happy to help the Uncrowned against the Legion but he's still the leader of SI 7 first and foremost.

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You actually aren't the leader of every single rogue. You're a shadowblade, the same rank as Ravenholdt and the others. It's a council thing not a single leader.

Also this. Unlike some order halls the rogue PC is not the supreme leader but one on a council.

[Santern]

so on what grounds does he go off telling anduin about the azerite?

With the Legion defeated the function of most of the Order Halls lose their focus. There's no common enemy to bind members together in favor of the Alliance or Horde.

I thought I was the leader of every single rogue out there.

You aren't. Rogue Order Hall is one of those where you specifically become a member of a council, granted a seat at a table, rather than some overlord.

Additionally we're talking about rogues here. Dalaran Sewers is a hive of scum and villainy. What is actually holding them back from acting on their own accord or for their own (and their faction's) interests?

[My User Name]

1) Unlike other order halls The Uncrowned is led by the Council, not the PC. Don't expect hierarchy in an order of assasins or pickpockets.

2) Order halls don't matter shit anymore. The Burning Legion is defeated and another faction war is about to start.

3) Some order hall followers will be forced to return to their factions since they're heavily involved with them: Lady Liadrin, Tess Greymane, Darius Crowley, Vereesa... just to name a few