Will Democrates shut down the gov't for interest of foreigners?

[Deleted]

DACA recipients aren't foreigners by definition. They are americans, so really, the better question to ask is:

Would republicans really take away the rights of american (born &) raised citizens?

“Dreamers” were not born in America. If they were born in America they would be American citizens. Therefore, Democrats are fighting for Illegal aliens before fighting for true born Americans.

I predict that Republicans pass a bill through the House, leaving Democrats no choice but to pass it in the senate. If they don’t the blame will fall on the Democrats.

[Deleted]

What are they then?

When you go to the USA in your childhood and get raised there, live there your entire live, get an education and a job there, what are you if not american?

Would you like to suddenly be told tomorrow that you're actually Somalian and have to leave the country? It's no different for these people. Many of them often don't even realize they weren't american born until they're adults. Honestly, if they're not american they're not anything else either, they never consciously lived or learned how to survive in the country they were born in either.

You can't just deport people to a place they don't even know how to live. Maybe if they committed a heinous crime or something, but not when they're just living their normal daily lives like everyone else around them.

Actually we can deport them. That’s the law. Republicans are not going to support amnesty for a million people unless we get more border security, better immigration enforcement, and the end of chain immigration/immigration lotteries by enacting merit based immigration policies. Dreamers that are legalized must fill any quota for new immigrants coming to this country this year.

[Kathandira]

I never said I was Republican .. I never said I was a Democrat .. I have leanings on both sides wow hard to imagine huh

Not really sure what you are, but you certainly sound like a White Nationalist.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I was around and old enough in the 90s when the Republicans shut down the government constantly to stick it to Bill. Nothing really happened other than both sides actually being willing to work with each other. Right now Dems are like "full DACA or no" and Reps are like "No DACA at all, period". Government gets shut down for a few days they will come together and be like "You get some DACA, you get some wall" and suddenly government budget is set for a year. Both sides are just to concerned trying to call the other sides bluff. Government shutdown is exactly what we need sadly.

Although I think Trump is just doing this to build drama. Last minute he will concede some DACA and the big "hero" on his anniversary day. Likely all he wants. He gets to say "I was the bigger man". No apologies needed which again is his style. It seems exactly like him to waste the whole countries time and money just to spot light him for a few minutes everyone will forget in a day.

[Kathandira]

You guys were not saying that when Regan gave amnesty to 3M illegal aliens and made them citizens.

The difference is, when immigrants were welcomed here, it was to do the dirty work that the white citizens didn't want to do. Now with something like DACA that promotes education and higher employment, white citizens are getting mad that these filthy immigrants are creeping up to their social and economic level.

Can't have that, the colored's need to stay on the bottom rung of the ladder or they will be kicked off.

(All of the above is not how I feel, but rather an attempt to explain how the antagonists may feel)

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I was around and old enough in the 90s when the Republicans shut down the government constantly to stick it to Bill. Nothing really happened other than both sides actually being willing to work with each other. Right now Dems are like "full DACA or no" and Reps are like "No DACA at all, period". Government gets shut down for a few days they will come together and be like "You get some DACA, you get some wall" and suddenly government budget is set for a year. Both sides are just to concerned trying to call the other sides bluff. Government shutdown is exactly what we need sadly.

I think we need to call a Government Shutdown what it really is. Both sides are standing in opposite corners with their arms folded making faces at each other. We need a word for this. Because really, the entire government doesn't shutdown, they just temporarily cease progress in certain areas.

[wolfpackfan]

Not every day you put the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of legal American citizens.

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By understanding a financial bill requires 60 votes in the senate and the republicans only have 51. Of course this doesn't fit your narrative so you will ignore it

This is incorrect. On spending bills they can use Reconciliation to pass it with 51 votes.

Also, yeah, lets punish people that were brought here when they were 1,2,3 years old, by sending them somewhere they have no memory of, and no place to live.

[Kathandira]

Also, yeah, lets punish people that were brought here when they were 1,2,3 years old, by sending them somewhere they have no memory of, and no place to live.

Personally, I think if you were brought here by your parents, you should be simply granted citizenship at the age of 18. I see no difference between a new born child reaching 18 years of age, and a 3 year old immigrant reaching 18 years of age in regards to citizenship.

[ipaq]

Not every day you put the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of legal American citizens.

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By understanding a financial bill requires 60 votes in the senate and the republicans only have 51. Of course this doesn't fit your narrative so you will ignore it

You're the same type of person that didn't bat a eye lash when 20 6-7 year old died to a semi automatic AR-16 but gets all triggered when the govt try to govern and implement a gun registry.

[Deleted]

Same rules should be applied on everyone.

Let's say that I would want to migrate to the US. I'm well educated, I have no criminal register, I speak English almost as well as native English speakers (or even better than many of them), and as a Westerner I have no stupid religious or cultural demands that would cause issues with the society. And I'm still young, so I could benefit the society for decades before retiring. I would basically be an ideal immigrant. Still I would have to go through a long bureaucratic process, and would have to wait for years or decades before getting a citizenship. Why should illegal aliens with nothing to offer to the society have it easier?

[hakujinbakasama]

Well let us review for a moment....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern..._United_States

Yeah, anything is fucking likely these days.

[schwank05]

That is not what DACA recipients do or did either. They're people who lived most of their (recent) live in the USA than anywhere else.

There is a difference between illegal aliens and DACA recipients.

I'm all for stopping and deporting illegal aliens, but there is a line, and that line of reason gets crossed when you start trying to deport people who are more american than anything else.

It is simple, do they have a social security number? do they pay Taxes? If at least the Taxes part is yes, then Hell yes let them in the more the merrier. But if they are just here not paying taxes and living off the government then kick their asses back to wherever they came from.

[Noxx79]

Same rules should be applied on everyone.

Let's say that I would want to migrate to the US. I'm well educated, I have no criminal register, I speak English almost as well as native English speakers (or even better than many of them), and as a Westerner I have no stupid religious or cultural demands that would cause issues with the society. And I'm still young, so I could benefit the society for decades before retiring. I would basically be an ideal immigrant. Still I would have to go through a long bureaucratic process, and would have to wait for years or decades before getting a citizenship. Why should illegal aliens with nothing to offer to the society have it easier?

Because daca recipients are not those people. You should look to see what daca is and who gets it before looking like an idiot.
Hint: daca recipients have specific criteria, and nothing to offer is not one of them

[Draco-Onis]

It is simple, do they have a social security number? do they pay Taxes? If at least the Taxes part is yes, then Hell yes let them in the more the merrier. But if they are just here not paying taxes and living off the government then kick their asses back to wherever they came from.

DACA recipients are basically citizens without the social safety net benefits, they pay taxes, work, serve in the military, 91% of them are employed rest are in school getting an education. We basically have a highly educated hard working group of people that are contributing to society and have been here for decades.

[Sky High]

It really is amusing seeing the hypocrisy in regards to “fairness” when it’s invoked on these forums, truly. Most of the people bitching about it now are just as quick to say “well, too bad! Life’s not fair!” If it was any other subject that wasn’t immigration.

[Paranoid Android]

Geezus! The Republicans own the government.

[Annamarine]

You're the same type of person that didn't bat a eye lash when 20 6-7 year old died to a semi automatic AR-16 but gets all triggered when the govt try to govern and implement a gun registry.

What makes you think that? I hate guns and I would never own one.

[Casterbridge]

DACA recipients are basically citizens without the social safety net benefits, they pay taxes, work, serve in the military, 91% of them are employed rest are in school getting an education. We basically have a highly educated hard working group of people that are contributing to society and have been here for decades.

Yup, which is why, traditionally, it was never really a partisan issue, both republicans and democrats used to support it., DACA was never seen as a bad thing, now all of a sudden it's become this huge issue.

[Ealyssa]

Republican President
Republican controlled Senate
Republican controlled House

How are Democrats shutting down the government?

Magic obviously

Democrats are black magic muslim practitioners. Well documented info. Much truth. They practice their dark rituals under pedo-pizzeras.
Big scandal ! Huge discredit ! Tiny hands !

[Hyral]

They will. And then use the media to blame Republicans. I don't know how anyone could be surprised at this.

[Noxx79]

They will. And then use the media to blame Republicans. I don't know how anyone could be surprised at this.

The republicans controls all 3 branches of government. Are you saying that the democrats are more powerful than them? That’s pretty pathetic.