Lightforged Draenei racials, why?

[Saverem]

In a sane world they would have avoided putting them in. Or fired the person.

This is a capitalist world tho, so instead, that person is gonna get fellatio'd by the big wigs for making the company millions.

[AngerFork]

In a sane world they would have avoided putting them in. Or fired the person.

Or simply accepted that someone thought outside of the generic box of what we have and looked forward to the new story potential yet to come with this new race.

[Armakus]

basically this, they had to come up with some racials because those sub races are non-existent in the first place, so its always harder to come up with something you are farting out of your brain

all horde races have some background, highmountain tauren have whole zone and (to me) interesting questline, nightborne we dont have to talk about, one of the coolest deeply developed races in the game, zandalari trolls have had huge lore behind them since forever

alliance gets dark iron dwarves which is cool but void elves? So Alleria gets these powers in a short cutscene after a brief chain quest and suddenly there is a whole race like this? And obviously she trains elves only, for some reason. Lightforged draenei are made up nonsense as well (if you google this subrace you will find maybe 3 sentences written about it on "wiki" sites).

they should create story for these races in the game, but it wont happen, I fear all we will get is some meh cutscenes and few quests datamined so far

As far as void elves go, there was a whole, WHOLE lot more datamined about them from the PTR. A fair bit of story, a fair bit of background, it's not just "She got powers and now they're here!"

[frogger237]

Honestly the Alliance should have gotten Broken.

Nah they shoulda used the Draenei base form and human to make a couple others races for the army of light so the whole thing didn't feel so retarded and rushed.

[dcc626]

She shoulda saved us from all this malarkey and ended them. Alliance doesn't need their kind.



Void Elves are rubbish compared to the Nightborne. Pity they aren't neutral but what can you do I reckon.

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In a sane world they would have avoided putting them in. Or fired the person.

in a sane world forums wouldnt exist

[RobertMugabe]

She shoulda saved us from all this malarkey and ended them. Alliance doesn't need their kind.



Void Elves are rubbish compared to the Nightborne. Pity they aren't neutral but what can you do I reckon.

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In a sane world they would have avoided putting them in. Or fired the person.

That's just... like your opinion man.

I think Nighborne are just uglier Night Elves with broken ears. They only great thing imho about them is their city

[Deleted]

Erm... who knows. Lets just give horde some more AoE CC racials, because they aren't OP at all.

[Marrilaife]

Again, it depends on how you use it. It won't be a ton of good in gogogo groups that try to rush through content or something with a lot of running like M+, but there are other spots where you can use it. I see raids as a great source of these. A Warrior tank that needs to pull an AoE pack alongside a boss can easily set that down 2 seconds before pull (post pre-pot) and charge into the boss, effectively pulling both areas at the same time. Another tank can use it to pull the next set of mobs while their current set is nearly dead, giving them a head start on aggro. DPS is a little trickier, but it likely would come out the same way as Flamestrike for mages currently. Either one can work that in as an "all my abilities are down" resource-free filler for a rotation, particularly once mobs are wrangled together.

The way you describe it, it's very situational, and while some racials are situational, most of the races who have those situational racials also have 1% flat to a stat, which isn't situational at all. Having a sprint, rocket jump, self dispel or fear break is situational, but all these races have a passive dps increase (even if small). If the damage of lightforged blast is tuned to be similar dps increase to 1% stat in a perfect case scenario (using it on cd and always landing it), then it's gonna be underpowered as soon as you have to hold it off for these perfect scenarios.

It's not that I expect it to do more, but we do have plenty of anvils set up in the game that do give repairs. The end of the Warlock green fire quest contains one of these.

That's just because it didn't make much sense to put a vendor there while Blizzard still expected people early on to wipe a lot on this challenge so it was a courtesy towards them they won't have to leave / restart scenario if they die. But engineering anvil only allows smithing and smelting, for repairs it's a different device, auto hammer. And the description of the racial says "summon a forge of light enabling blacksmithing", if they wanted to do something extra they would probably specify it, I think it's an equivalent of worgen racial "can skin without skinning knife", but skinning knife requirement was removed (same with fishing rod for fishing), just the blacksmithing anvil is still there.

Even without that, this gives you a good way to build new equipment and/or engineering enhancements immediately after getting new gear, no matter where you are. Given the amount of raid items I've had to hold off on upgrading/equipping until raid break, this one is far from useless IMO.

Huh? You can put engineering tinkers without any anvil, as long as you have tinker's kit in your crafting mat tab. I never had to walk to an anvil to put glider on cloak / run speed enchant on the belt.

I just double checked, it only requires arclight spanner (gnomish army knife covers that - it doesn't cover anvil).

After removing belt buckles from blacksmithing, I don't think there's any gear upgrade / enchant from that profession any more.

Frankly, I'd argue the Panda double rested XP buff is a bit overpowered if anything. But that doesn't necessarily mean this is underpowered, particularly as another race has something similar already. I do agree that this one is niche somewhat and likely won't affect much overall.

Depends what you're doing, for example Dwarf faster archeology is "more useless" if you don't do archeology. But on average, most people spend lots of time in the endgame, and not that much time levelling in comparison, so anything that works at max level is more welcome. Human extra rep. Highmountain extra meat and fish. Goblin cheaper vendor prices. Even void elf 50% cheaper transmog - I don't even know are people serious saying this is amazing, I always assume they're making fun of it saying it's a best racial ever.

Individually, yes. This is a useless ability for solo play. In a group though, it's more how the group performs than the individual. While there are a lot of fights that 8 yards won't be enough, take a fight like Varimathras, one where you have to stack and move largely as a group. If you die there in Mythic, you've just healed 17 other people for a small amount. Even in a non-stacking fight like Coven, this still might give a slight edge here or there on something like the Norgannon adds ("Frank, we have no more roots. Go sacrifice yourself against the east wall and we'll rez you.").

Very weird examples tbh. Varimathras, I don't think I've seen a person die from lack of healing unless they had the healing debuff already so they couldn't be healed by any means, including racials (mostly happened to tanks). Every other wipe was from add casting or necrotic being handled wrong. Norgannon's adds again if you can damage them, you kill them, they have 1 hp. They're just immune to any damage before that, so racial won't help, unless you have a cc racial with enough range (warstomp is probably too small, maybe the nightborne slow shield would reach but you'd have to be very careful as it's a slow not a root / stun).

But generally an idea "frank died and he played a lightforged so this last blast was exact amount of damage boss needed to die" is extremely narrow, obscure case. It's like these stories "everyone died and a shaman ankhed and frost shocked lich king before getting melee hit and that was just enough to kill the boss". They're stories because they're so rare and so much of an "all stars aligned" scenario they're worth talking about. Having a racial that helps all the time is more useful than racial which helps in one in a thousand case.

Interestingly, we had a poll on MMO champ "which racial is the worst" among current races (excluding allied races), and excluding rocket barrage of goblins (can treat it as it doesn't exist, rocket jump replaces it and is fairly useful), the winner was gift of the naaru. So people voted targeted, controlled heal with a good range to cast it, is worse than the rest of the racials, now imagine uncontrollable random heal in a small radius when you die...

[Sigxy]

No, it is merely the truth. Umbric is brilliant, smart, he is able to see things from a much higher perspective, and realize the truth; that the Void is not a weapon to be feared, but an instrument to be exploited to protect Azeroth.

But i'm digressing. Forgive me, it's just Void Elves are such a complex race that you could write pages upon pages of discussion and speculation.

Wasn't Umbric the guy who was told it was a bad idea to look into the whole Void Business by Rommath, then decided to do it anyway, and was about to be turned into an Ethereal if Alleria didn't save him in time...?

[Shibito]

Amazing how alliance players will say anything to make emo elves work just cause they want to rp in goldshire

[Hawkknight97]

I'm personally not a big Draenei fan, so I'm not sure just how much Light forged Draenei are popular enough in Blizzard's eyes yo give them a set racials that makes me question what did they do to deserve such utterly useless racial abilities.

Does anyone have good answers for this?

As somebody who is Big Draenei Fan. I love them and they have a interesting Lore behind and Racial Abilities look awesome as well.

[Marrilaife]

Amazing how alliance players will say anything to make emo elves work just cause they want to rp in goldshire

That's excluding the other half who is making lengthy threads how Alliance should have gotten High Elves instead and Void Elves are ridiculous?

[derpkitteh]

eh, the racials are fine i think.

that little blast after you die should be interesting in 2v2 arenas.

[Super Kami Dende]

I understand that after the Void elfs -50% transmog price racial everything seems bad but not everything can be as good.

Considering VE's other racial is literal "no pushback when casting spells" I'd say all their other racials could be garbage and they'd still have one of the best set of racials in game.

[Caprilibra]

They use light as a weapon.

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Am I the only one that actually believes that the Lightforged have decent (and potentially strong) racial abilities

Forge of Light - Free Blacksmithing forge anywhere alongside +10 Blacksmithing? That's nice. We don't know what else that forge has. If it has some sort of repair ability (which we don't know), LF Draenei become an extremely solid class for raid progression via a racial.

Demonbane - Kind of useless, sure. But could be solid for leveling through some content, particularly in Felwood and Legion.

Holy Resistance - If we're fighting Naaru and/or the Light in the future, this is solid. As is, it's as strong as any other resistance, just in the direction of Holy.

They have a solid line up of racial actually. So far no existing demo for these guys so there few questions that will be left unanswered.


Forge of light- How long does it last and will it disappear? Aside from the caster who else can use it, party/raid mates? Non-party nearby players?

Demonbane- Level scaling is in play so pretty much a LFD can camp at Felwood. BC zones are packed with demon class creatures. I can clearly see they would ding much faster speciallly with herloom set.

Holy resist- holy damage deals pure damage. Very handy against pvp vs priest and paladin. If only this was turn into an aura instead reducing the effect and damage nearby.

[Deleted]

While you're totally right from a lore POV, I still like the addition of Void Elves. I definetly prefer them and not the Nightborne or Belfs... and tbh they give the game more variety. Blizzard would otherwise (eventually) just give the Alliance High Elves OR turn Blood Elves into a neutral race, like Pandaren (I believe they've even considered this at some point, looking at how some of their lore went in Cata and MoP)

I like them as well, they are just not developed, like not at all. I like variety, its cosmetic fluff that pleases masses of gamers nowadays. If they have more unique animations even better ofc. But there are better options like Jinyu (not sure why would they have to do something about high elves, I dont know why people care so much about them, Blood Elves have a place in this world as they are presented now imo)

As far as void elves go, there was a whole, WHOLE lot more datamined about them from the PTR. A fair bit of story, a fair bit of background, it's not just "She got powers and now they're here!"

Well thats good, I saw some of that stuff, if its just 5% of all void elf related content im hyped. But my point of view is from the current game, I dont care about stuff on PTR nor any books (which is horrible way to tell a story in a game, just like "extra dungeon per patch costs us a raid tier" so does a book in my mind). Currently a subrace is announced, newcomers/returning players have no idea what it is, they log in and there is nothing. Thats a problem. It does feel like "she got powers and now they are here" if you just play the game.

[Every Pwny]

eh, the racials are fine i think.

that little blast after you die should be interesting in 2v2 arenas.

It's a weaker version of their delayed aoe skill, the little blast after you die will do absolutely nothing. Lightforged draenei would be the last race you take into arena because they basically don't have racials.

[Louz]

Currently a subrace is announced, newcomers/returning players have no idea what it is, they log in and there is nothing. Thats a problem. It does feel like "she got powers and now they are here" if you just play the game.

So a newcomer starts the game. What is there for humans? What is there for night elves? What is there for orcs? It's like they have to play the game to see the story...? How is that different from void elves?

Fucking mmoc logic at work right here. You sound like the guy who was angry at worgen druids, that "dog turning into a cat" doesn't make sense, despite "cows turning into cats" were there all along, but that's fine for some reason.

[derpkitteh]

It's a weaker version of their delayed aoe skill, the little blast after you die will do absolutely nothing. Lightforged draenei would be the last race you take into arena because they basically don't have racials.

judging from the bfa demo, around 2k is a non-crit templar's verdict. the blast does like 1k damage and healing.

that's enough to make those butthole-clenchingly close fights a little more interesting.

obviously it's not as good as something like void elf. but it's still more interesting than almost any of the base races have.

[Caprilibra]

judging from the bfa demo, around 2k is a non-crit templar's verdict. the blast does like 1k damage and healing.

that's enough to make those butthole-clenchingly close fights a little more interesting.

obviously it's not as good as something like void elf. but it's still more interesting than almost any of the base races have.

LFD seems fun to be with. Imagine doing a suicide to deal aoe damage to intended targets only then to be battle ressed/soulstoned. The damage is a bit underwhelming. Maybe if it scales to character level similar to gift of the Na'aru or probably based on % of max health it would be cool and balanced enough.

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Considering VE's other racial is literal "no pushback when casting spells" I'd say all their other racials could be garbage and they'd still have one of the best set of racials in game.

Kinda redundant to Priests who already have PW:S.