Drop rate statistics for Amanthul's Vision and other Pantheon trinkets

[FrostyButt]

7 weeks and no trinket on the Hunter. Mage got the trinket 2 weeks ago.

[Tormentorxx]

Nope, for the epic trinkets you WILL get the first trinket on the 9th week as 100% drop rate, because each week it doesnt drop, the chances of getting it gets higher except fo the legendary trinket. this week in a a single pug group saw 6 titant trinkets drop, never seen so many in one kill.

[hikari2002]

Finally got mine. Jeeze that took a long time. Time for alts to get the trinkets lol

[Ealyssa]

My main BrM monk is still laking her trinket.

Obviously my 4 other tank alts have it.

[impending doom]

--- Update Jan 18, 2018: Added data for week 7-8 ---

These numbers include only characters who killed Argus the Unmaker every week and did not have the trinket before the latest observed week:
(Error margin means confidence interval of 99% calculated using Agresti-Coull method)

Aman'Thul's Vision:
Week 1: 10448 characters - 28 drops - Drop rate: 0.270% (error margin 0.162% - 0.437%)
Week 2: 9729 characters -- 14 drops - Drop rate: 0.140% (error margin 0.068% - 0.288%)
Week 3: 9210 characters --- 6 drops - Drop rate: 0.065% (error margin 0.016% - 0.185%)
Week 4: 8440 characters --- 8 drops - Drop rate: 0.095% (error margin 0.032% - 0.237%)
Week 5: 7757 characters --- 5 drops - Drop rate: 0.064% (error margin 0.012% - 0.203%)
Week 6: 7426 characters --- 5 drops - Drop rate: 0.067% (error margin 0.012% - 0.212%)
Week 7: 7046 characters --- 7 drops - Drop rate: 0.099% (error margin 0.032% - 0.260%)
Week 8: 3690 characters --- 3 drops - Drop rate: 0.081% (only beginning of week data)

Other Pantheon trinket:
Week 1: 10448 characters - 1776 drops - Drop rate: 17.0% (error margin 16.1% - 18.0%)
Week 2: 8134 characters -- 1409 drops - Drop rate: 17.3% (error margin 16.3% - 18.4%)
Week 3: 6345 characters -- 1338 drops - Drop rate: 21.1% (error margin 19.8% - 22.4%)
Week 4: 4598 characters -- 1235 drops - Drop rate: 26.9% (error margin 25.2% - 28.6%)
Week 5: 3068 characters -- 1076 drops - Drop rate: 35.1% (error margin 32.9% - 37.3%)
Week 6: 1919 characters --- 909 drops - Drop rate: 47.4% (error margin 44.4% - 50.3%)
Week 7: 962 characters ---- 581 drops - Drop rate: 60.4% (error margin 56.2% - 64.5%)
Week 8: 200 characters ---- 195 drops - Drop rate: 97.5% (100%?) (only beginning of week data)

Total amount of characters having a trinket after 8 weeks, from those 3709 who have killed Argus every week:
0.59% has Aman'Thul's Vision now
99.87% has epic Pantheon trinket now (100%?)

Full spreadsheets:
Drops for weeks 1-5
Drops for weeks 6-8

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Notes for week 7-8: For epic Pantheon trinkets the drop rate has jumped from 60% to near 100% for week 8. Actually I think the drop rate is very likely exactly 100% for those who have killed Argus on all 8 weeks. The sample size is limited, but considering that 99.87% of the characters in my data have at least one trinket now, the missing 0.13% is most likely caused by missing data due to the fact that sometimes the activity feed API data is not showing a drop even if it happened.

[Caprix]

My GM claims he has 8 kills (7 upgrades in bag) on his DK, so not 100%?
Could this be affected by not doing all kills with the same loot spec?

[anveena]

I just one of these on my DH alt. All it's going to help me do is clear the havoc mage tower. What a waste.

[impending doom]

My GM claims he has 8 kills (7 upgrades in bag) on his DK, so not 100%?
Could this be affected by not doing all kills with the same loot spec?

I suppose it is possible, loot spec might have some influence. It is practically impossible to have enough statistical data to fully confirm 100% drop rate, but from design point of view I would think it makes more sense to have 100% drop than 97.5%. Also possible that there are some bugs that prevent drop even if they intended 100% drop rate.

[Deleted]

I suppose it is possible, loot spec might have some influence. It is practically impossible to have enough statistical data to fully confirm 100% drop rate, but from design point of view I would think it makes more sense to have 100% drop than 97.5%. Also possible that there are some bugs that prevent drop even if they intended 100% drop rate.

I have 8 argus kills on all chars and still 2 without trinket aswell so def. not 100% by week 8.

[impending doom]

I have 8 argus kills on all chars and still 2 without trinket aswell so def. not 100% by week 8.

This sounds like a very bad luck, can you tell if you had the same loot spec on all 8 weekly kills and no weeks missed? (Or if you want can also link the char profiles)

[Deleted]

This sounds like a very bad luck, can you tell if you had the same loot spec on all 8 weekly kills and no weeks missed? (Or if you want can also link the char profiles)

On the hunter yes,on the second char i swapped lootspeccs.

[tobby536]

This is gonna be one of those "Yeah right" moments, but our priest heal was saying how people post bullshit claims on Reddit of getting both the legendary trinket and the epic trinket in one kill, and right after that same pull, her husband got both. It was definitely a good laugh for all.

[Diesallot]

Depends on the class and your stat weights. It's BiS for some, mediocore for others. Same with the Argus trinket - it's a personal dps loss for some but a huge gain for the raid.

And i'm very salty having not recieved my epic trinket on my main warrior yet, but getting it on the first kill on my alt warrior >.<

I feel your pain.
My main Pally has an upgrade essence from Argus but has neither trinket.
My alt Pally has the epic trinket and looted the pole arm on the same kill (his 1st).
Thanks RNG.

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To be brutally honest, I barely see anyone using Garothi's trinket, so I didn't include it. IIRC the only healer that specifically wants haste is resto druid and disc (and disc is pretty much perma-locked into velens+carafe due to the very aggressive playstyle and Lights' wrath interaction with Velens' on use), but as we're talking about a resto druid, that's a fair shout.

If you've got experience with it, do you know if it's "relatively" easy to keep rolling, or sporadic? Because there's a lot to be said for consistency for healers as well (which is why I'm putting emphasis on huge mainstat and things like the Highfather effect that only triggers when needed).

While I'll buy it right now, I'm dubious about arcanocrystal outside of some WILD titanforge. I've got a 925 one on my DK, and it's "only" providing 1080 of each stat, for a combined total of 4320 secondaries. That means secondaries would have to outweight the healing proc from Eonar's at 1000, AND ~1k int. I'll buy the 1k int easily, but the extra power on the healing proc that should do ~5-6% at full power seems dubious. And that's a titanforged arcano.


That being said, the proc/mechanic of the trinket can be argued is good for some, but not others. I'd honestly say resto druids have it the best (followed by disc, then shamans) - there's virtually no chance you *won't* spend your pantheon proc, because it only requires you to cast 4 rejuvenations in a 30 second timeframe. At max power, each shield is close to 440K as well. Looking at the top resto druid for Aggramar, his rejuv ticks for about 150K (raw healing, includes overheal), so that means at full power, eonar's proc might as well be reworded:

"When proc'd, your next 4 rejuvenations instantly applies 3 ticks worth of rejuvenation as a shield". which to be quite frank seems like a great healing proc to me. Yea, the "random AOE healing from ordinary proc" is boring as fuck, but it's not like it's any different from trinkets healers have taken a shine to in the past - mainly because added "free" output that costs you no effort is nice, but RNG swings in stats (like garothi) isn't as fun when you need to be reliable.

The trinket is actually far more pitiful for a few of the other healers - fuck, on my priest I'd love to use it as disc (because it applies shields on plea) but can't unless I have an innervate or wisdom to feed me mana (otherwise, it's carafe all the way), but as holy, I need to *flash heal* to trigger the proc. My most mana-inefficient heal of the bunch, casted no less. I barely cast 4 flash heals a fight if I'm not wearing the class ring due to binding heal - let alone 4 in 30 seconds. Meanwhile resto shaman gets it on healing wave, the equivelant to a priests' heal spell, and due to tidal waves, HW is insanely quick and mana efficient to throw out as a spot heal, so there's zero issues using the proc there.

It's sort of stupid, really.

The epic trinket proc is also good for Holy Pallies.
We do use Flash of Light quite a bit, especially when we get IoL procs off of Holy Shock crits, which I'm sure everyone knows happen a lot for decently geared Holy Pallies.

And I love the Carafe on my Pally for p[rogression bosses.
Do some damage and regen some mana.
Of course my alt Pally has the Carafe and Eonar's, and my main has neither.
Apparently RNGesus and Blizz are telling me I am calling the wrong Pally my main.

[Dossou]

8 Kills on alt druid, no trinket
7 upgrade tokens in my bag

[MrExcelion]

8 Kills on alt druid, no trinket
7 upgrade tokens in my bag

So it wasn't guaranteed this week. Probably next though.

We can keep following Amanthuls stats beyond next week, noticing a lot more of them lately but the data doesn't show that

[Ozyorkbourne]

I feel your pain.
My main Pally has an upgrade essence from Argus but has neither trinket.
My alt Pally has the epic trinket and looted the pole arm on the same kill (his 1st).
Thanks RNG.

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The epic trinket proc is also good for Holy Pallies.
We do use Flash of Light quite a bit, especially when we get IoL procs off of Holy Shock crits, which I'm sure everyone knows happen a lot for decently geared Holy Pallies.

I got it on week 6. Which bothers me because I got it on my alt-warriors 2nd kill and DK 1st. Wew 10/10 design. Fun adn interactive.

[FrostyButt]

I guess I'm in the 0.13% of people without a trinket on my Hunter. Killed him on the hunter every week so far and no trinket.

[orderschvank]

does anyone else feel like when your trinket reaches ilvl 1000 it evolves into amun'thuls?

[Raicky]

does anyone else feel like when your trinket reaches ilvl 1000 it evolves into amun'thuls?

Evolve ? Definitely not.

Increase drop rate/BLP for Aman'thuls ? Probably.

[impending doom]

I have 8 argus kills on all chars and still 2 without trinket aswell so def. not 100% by week 8.

Are you possibly referring to characters Snêks or Scâmrenia? Activity feed data shows agi trinket drop for both of them this week. One possibility is that they got lost in bags or accidently vendored.