Why do people choose to be Neo-nazis?

[Theodarzna]

Not all communists support tankies, which shows your ignorance on this subject.

Yeah, some throw the term Anarcho in front like it's a power word that clears them. I wonder if someone claimed to be an Anarcho-fascist would they too get the "oh okay... different group". AnComs are as silly as AnCaps.

[Orby]

upbringing and the company you keep is a factor into this most likely, also media propaganda with it's fear mongering doesn't help either. Also lack of education.

[downnola]

Yeah, some throw the term Anarcho in front like it's a power word that clears them. I wonder if someone claimed to be an Anarcho-fascist would they too get the "oh okay... different group". AnComs are as silly as AnCaps.

You only have to tick an extra box or two on the ideological checklist to shift from AnCom over to Leninist-Marxist. The two positions only differ on how to get to the end goal. The problem is that followers of either ideology never ask themselves if the end goal is even possible in an honest manner, and as a consequence, they never realize that their ideology is just an example of the human capacity to endlessly abstract.

[Theodarzna]

Not a single anarcho-communist supports tankies, they support no government. Which, again, can be said about nazis, who all support Hitlers views.
And if you prefer nazis over tankies, can I assume you're white and straight? Because I would personally never choose between the 2(nazism and tankie/state communism).

As a point of fact; I'd say most Neo-Nazi's today are at best Esoteric Nazi's whom mostly are following either directly or second hand the "works" of Sevitri Devi.

[JohnBrown1917]

Anarcho-Communism is such a mental bullcrapp, even compared to normal communism and national socialism, that people should immediately lose their legal maturity if they believe this bullcrapp. I mean, communists and Nazis at least have laws. Anarcho-Communism would be a total Raider-Rapefest. Just like Anarcho-Capitalism. Or any form of Anarchy. Look at Somalia.

And meh, I'm pale-skinned turkish enough to pass as white, so I'm not afraid. Plus Naziism is not really a political option anymore, the Alt-Right entirely killed White Power for good.

Anarcho communism is the orginal form of communism of how Marx envisioned it. And whether you think it works or not is irrelevant, we are talking about how these people are somehow worse than genocidal dictators.


But have fun being Turkish in a regime that will kill you if they find out about you

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As a point of fact; I'd say most Neo-Nazi's today are at best Esoteric Nazi's whom mostly are following either directly or second hand the "works" of Sevitri Devi.

They key point being that they still support genocide.

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Yeah, some throw the term Anarcho in front like it's a power word that clears them. I wonder if someone claimed to be an Anarcho-fascist would they too get the "oh okay... different group". AnComs are as silly as AnCaps.

Anarcho commies are the orginal commies, but since a lot of people do not get what they want, it started being used.

[Theodarzna]

They key point being that they still support genocide.

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Anarcho commies are the orginal commies, but since a lot of people do not get what they want, it started being used.

Could I say the same of you? That really whatever you call yourself it ends with Gulags, Mass-Murder ect? I mean I don't see how your beliefs don't lead down the exact same road.

[Dextroden]

Could I say the same of you? That really whatever you call yourself it ends with Gulags, Mass-Murder ect? I mean I don't see how your beliefs don't lead down the exact same road.

Because it will be totes different this time. Everyone will love the idea of handing over their property for the "Greater Good" that a mass imprisonment/famine/execution won't be necessary.

[Theodarzna]

Because it will be totes different this time. Everyone will love the idea of handing over their property for the "Greater Good" that a mass imprisonment/famine/execution won't be necessary.

I'm just thinking, Barcelona wasn't exactly paradise and I believe churches with people in them were torched by the AnComs and Syndicalists just the same. So I have trouble envisioning what the difference is between "tankies" and AnCommunists from a practical outside view.

Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means some bleating fan of the status quo either, the changes are coming but anyone hanging onto the dream of a Marxist utopia or "Communism will WIN GUYZ!" is as delusional as the people with shrines to Ayn Rand and her centipede filled vagina.

I say it here as I said it in another thread. The problem with Marx was his boner of Hegel's "End of History" narrative and a strictly linear view of history as a progressing arc. Like someone is playing a game of Civilization and going down the tech tree until at the end they click Marxist Communism and then you're done. In reality Marx might have been better served looking at the past, and what material things were changed and how were they changed and then suggesting how we might again change something so as to remake our culture and lives into something that avoids the misery of Capitalist Modernity that He, Engles and Durkheim (My personel favorite) described.

[Antiganon]

The problem with communism is that is has been implemented improperly by people who desired power, rather than the greater good.

I very much doubt humanity as it exists now would ever be able to properly implement communism in a way that is beneficial to all its constituents.

If you were to try to implement communism, it would need to be communism from this point forward. Levy increasingly heavy income, property, estate, and excise taxes, and use those taxes to increase public goods and services. Over the course of several generations, people will be taxed out of their private property, but they won't care, because the public services that have become available in that same timeframe have expanded to the point that personal ownership is not needed, and the cost of personal ownership is more than they want to bear.

Even that would be tricky - income and excise taxes are fine and dandy, you are taxing income as people earn it, and you are taxing the purchase of things they don't yet own. Property and estate taxes are harder, because there will eventually be people taxed out of their own homes because they can't afford the taxes anymore - we see this already in the US with senior citizens on a fixed income living in the houses where they raised their children. If you are going to tax people out of their homes, you had better have a new place for them to live, and some way to make them not hate you for destroying their memories.

Any implementation that relies on the immediate seizure of things people already own is doomed to fail.

Best case scenario for the implementation of communism is that some super rich beneveolent overlord builds a moon colony or space platform, set it up as a communist utopia, and those who want to be communist go live there.

[d00mGuArD]

, because there will eventually be people taxed out of their own homes because they can't afford the taxes anymore - we see this already in the US with senior citizens on a fixed income living in the houses where they raised their children.

Property tax is as despicable as inheritance tax. If anyone tries to take my home through taxation, there will for sure be an accidental fire that will completely destroy it.
Scorched earth

[Antiganon]

Property tax is as despicable as inheritance tax. If anyone tries to take my home through taxation, there will for sure be an accidental fire that will completely destroy it.
Scorched earth

Enjoy prison. Arson is a felony, even if it is your own house.

Also:

You won't get a payout from your homeowner's insurance, because you willfully destroyed your house.

AND

You will still owe the government all those back taxes, the same ones that repossessing your house would have paid off.

[d00mGuArD]

Enjoy prison. Arson is a felony, even if it is your own house.

Also:

You won't get a payout from your homeowner's insurance, because you willfully destroyed your house.

AND

You will still owe the government all those back taxes, the same ones that repossessing your house would have paid off.

I said accidental I will find a way to be in another country at the time of the accident if needed

[Arunu]

lots of studies but you will simply deny them on the basis that a cuck-factory science journal wouldn't publish since it doesnt meet their political agenda requirements.

and you continue to use the word superior and associating it with me. ive never used it, nor implied it.
so please putting words in my mouth,

human racial groups are different.

ermmmm i specifically said i did not imply anything about you but ok then.
I will not deny anything i don't know much about, was just a genuine question for the studies but you seem more bent on arguing then anything else.

I stated my position on the matter, now I'd be curious as to what yours is

[truckboattruck]

ermmmm i specifically said i did not imply anything about you but ok then.
I will not deny anything i don't know much about, was just a genuine question for the studies but you seem more bent on arguing then anything else.

I stated my position on the matter, now I'd be curious as to what yours is

genetics dont end where where feelings begin
thats my position

[endersblade]

Certainly during my education it was heavily drummed into us not only why the Nazis were wrong but also the long lasting devastation they left. So knowing this what makes people affiliate themselves with Nazi but actively be proud about it...

Why do people choose to be Christians? I mean, the Crusades happened because of a religion. At least Hitler's ideas were based on trying to make a 'pure' race of people.
Why do people choose to be Muslim? Their history isn't any better than Christianity.
Why do people believe they can get all their nutritional needs from air?

It's because people are sheep. They find something to cling to and never let it go. It's because not everyone thinks the same. What you consider rational might be completely irrational to others. It's because people feel the need to belong. To socialize. There are a thousand reasons why people choose to be what they are.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why do people get so worked up when others bring up the subject of neo-nazis? Are the right wing fascists finally accepting the ideology that they all share? If you're not a neo nazi, it seems weird to get upset that someone innocuously asks why "people" choose to be neo nazis, when many people these days ARE embracing naziism. If you're far right and someone talking about nazis in a negative light triggers you, that might be telling you something.

[Elegiac]

Why do people get so worked up when others bring up the subject of neo-nazis? Are the right wing fascists finally accepting the ideology that they all share? If you're not a neo nazi, it seems weird to get upset that someone innocuously asks why "people" choose to be neo nazis, when many people these days ARE embracing naziism. If you're far right and someone talking about nazis in a negative light triggers you, that might be telling you something.

Sort of related, but have you also noticed a marked decline in the usage of the term "feminazi" since 2016.

Food for thought.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Sort of related, but have you also noticed a marked decline in the usage of the term "feminazi" since 2016.

Food for thought.

I've noticed that as well. Of course the idea of the ultra left dominant feminist boogeyman is still at large. But the venn diagram for people who whine about those kind of extremist feminists is pretty much a circle that directly overlaps the people who whined incessantly about the friend zone 8-10 years ago. You'll notice that whining about the friend zone has disappeared and been replaced with whining about feminists.

[Deleted]

The problem with communism is that is has been implemented improperly by people who desired power, rather than the greater good.

Can you take power, to fundamentally alter society, without, you know, using force?
The answer to that question is no.
Please take your 'not' real communism and go away, it's been conclusively shown that all it does is produce abject misery, no matter who fucking implements it, because it is fundamentally bonkers, and forcing people to conform to an insane system will always produce said misery, because it forces people to conform to insanity.

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I've noticed that as well. Of course the idea of the ultra left dominant feminist boogeyman is still at large. But the venn diagram for people who whine about those kind of extremist feminists is pretty much a circle that directly overlaps the people who whined incessantly about the friend zone 8-10 years ago. You'll notice that whining about the friend zone has disappeared and been replaced with whining about feminists.

Yeah totally.

[Caliph]

Extremism which leads to closed minds, hatred, and over course the end game violence. Simple as that.