US Federal Government Shutdown

[Ghostpanther]

Not true. Trump is POTUS not Schumer.

He ether signs a bill or veto's them. He does not draft the bills or even gets to vote for a bill.

[SoulForge]

Only hostage taking place is with Schumer. So, no. I do not agree.

Trump's hostage is the wall.

Schumer's is DACA.

Both people are full of shit pointing fingers.

[WillBowman]

He ether signs a bill or veto's them. He does not draft the bills or even gets to vote for a bill.

He's the great negotiator he indeed has a say on how the Bill is Drafted too. You can't be that ignorant on how Bills are done.

[Machismo]

And without some compromise from the democrats, not happening.

Do you know there wasn't any compromise? It seems there was, when they introduced a bipartisan plan to the President, and he refused it. I guess he was unwilling to compromise.

[jellmoo]

And without some compromise from the democrats, not happening.

Which they've done. First in the deal proposed to Trump, and then in the deal they were trying to reach last night. But when the POTUS basically tosses out your best deal without any sort of idea of what he wants, it becomes difficult.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

He ether signs a bill or veto's them. He does not draft the bills or even gets to vote for a bill.

Because the president never, ever negotiates.

Feigning ignorance to how things work is pretty funny, though.

[Machismo]

He ether signs a bill or veto's them. He does not draft the bills or even gets to vote for a bill.

And he had a plan in front of him, and refused to compromise what he wanted by signing it...

Man, don't you hate it when people like Trump refuse to compromise?

[Tiwack]

what do you mean?

If only your countrymen shared your sentiment of leaving other people in other countries alone except special interests motivate them to disregard that not for the benefit of these foreigners but the opposite. Then the disregard for people outside America just becomes a nefarious quality to help achieve an end regardless of method and consequences.

[Mormolyce]

Help me out here, I don't get it. doesn't it need 60 votes?

It does, but there was a bipartisan negotiation to reach a compromise and get it done. But Trump bungled it - the hardliners got worried he'd give too much away so they convinced him to derail the negotiation.

So now you have Jeff Flake complaining that they were going to make a deal and suddenly the President did a 180 and nixed it, and McConnell saying they won't do a deal until Trump starts making some kind of sense. Because whatever deal they make needs his signoff, and if he's going to keep changing his mind it's all a waste of time.

So yeah, Republican infighting scuppered efforts to reach a compromise and keep the government open.

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It's a real shame California alone cant elect the president.

I don't know how to tell you this, but there are Democrats in every state. Kek.

[Macaquerie]

Which they've done. First in the deal proposed to Trump, and then in the deal they were trying to reach last night. But when the POTUS basically tosses out your best deal without any sort of idea of what he wants, it becomes difficult.

Trump basically listens to whoever talked to him last, if you put him and Schumer in a room and had them hash out a deal, he would probably give into everything in exchange for some vague promise to spray paint his name across the current border fence or whatever. But unlike during the Preibus days, Kelly is controlling access much more carefully and is letting all the immigration hardliners have his ear, which is what's really responsible for the current deadlock. Kelly is a piece of work himself, if all the sure to be labeled "fake news" reports are to be believed.

[Ghostpanther]

Trump's hostage is the wall.

Schumer's is DACA.

Both people are full of shit pointing fingers.

That is a reasonable conception. Even tho with Trump, at least his hostage is a campaign promise and so is his comprehensive immigration changes. He has said he is willing to make a deal for the DACA program if it contains some needed changes to immigration as a whole.

[Macaquerie]

That is a reasonable conception. Even tho with Trump, at least his hostage is a campaign promise and so is his comprehensive immigration changes. He has said he is willing to make a deal for the DACA program if it contains some needed changes to immigration as a whole.

Yeah Trump said he was willing to go along with a clean DACA bill until people from his own side reminded him that wasn't the Republican position.

[Machismo]

That is a reasonable conception. Even tho with Trump, at least his hostage is a campaign promise and so is his comprehensive immigration changes. He has said he is willing to make a deal for the DACA program if it contains some needed changes to immigration as a whole.

Here's the problem, Trump was already negotiating in bad faith. He ended the program, then used it as a hostage for further bargaining. He doesn't get to blame others for not negotiating to get something back that he unilaterally took away.

[Jastall]

Wait, do you think Trump can just "take a loan" from american tax dollars, and then try to have mexico pay it back with interest?


There is no way you truly believe that.

The only thing he has to believe is the talking points that he regurgitates. Actually understanding the situation is not required for the faithful and the zealous.

[Belize]

He ether signs a bill or veto's them. He does not draft the bills or even gets to vote for a bill.

He was brought a deal, and refused it.

The blame lies with the president.

[kasuke06]

There was a bipartisan deal worked out, but Trump said he wouldn't consider it. That's the meeting the whole "Shithole" uproar came from.

oh the one where a democrat lied to try and make trump look bad(it's trump, stop making shit up. he does shitty enough on his own, making shit up just puts people on his side.)? yeah... literally nothing can be trusted if it comes from them right now.

[Belize]

oh the one where a democrat lied to try and make trump look bad(it's trump, stop making shit up. he does shitty enough on his own, making shit up just puts people on his side.)? yeah... literally nothing can be trusted if it comes from them right now.

What Democrat lied? The one that was backed up by Republicans also?

If you think Trump is more trustworthy than the Dems, I have some bad news that might pop your safety bubble.

[WillBowman]

oh the one where a democrat lied to try and make trump look bad(it's trump, stop making shit up. he does shitty enough on his own, making shit up just puts people on his side.)? yeah... literally nothing can be trusted if it comes from them right now.

You do realize it was Corroborated with Republicans right?

[Machismo]

oh the one where a democrat lied to try and make trump look bad(it's trump, stop making shit up. he does shitty enough on his own, making shit up just puts people on his side.)? yeah... literally nothing can be trusted if it comes from them right now.

Who lied?

As for the deal, they did bring a bipartisan one to Trump, and he went back on his word when he said he would sign anything that both sides came up with. He refused to sign off on it, so here we are.

[Tiwack]

The only thing he has to believe is the talking points that he regurgitates. Actually understanding the situation is not required for the faithful and the zealous.

It's not for nothing it's called "to believe/have faith"
If you proved it by showing them evidence they'd have to call it "to see"
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