US Federal Government Shutdown

[Vatrilian]

The Republicans control the House, Senate, and White House. Before you cast stones at the Democrats, consider why with control of ALL THREE they can't manage to get this legislation through.

Again basic arithmetic here. To pass legislation it requires 60 senate votes. The republicans are only 51 votes thus democrats have to vote with the president. The republicans have been lock step as you saw with the passage of the tax bill. The democrat party believes they will be rewarded if they vote even against there own constituents interest if they can block everything they can. Easy fix end the 60 vote threshold and majority wins.

[Zmaniac17]

There is no culture in the USA?

Yes, there is. Many different cultures. You bringing that up makes me look at what you're saying in a new light though.

[Machismo]

Government shut downs don't work against a sitting President. It didn't work against Clinton, Obama or even now Trump. All Trump has to do is play the waiting game.

There's one problem, Trump refused to sign off on a bipartisan plan, meaning it's not going to go well for him and the GOP.

[seta-san]

It was also a step towards more individual freedom, less government intervention, and more free-market principles. I'm shocked that so many so-called conservatives would be opposed to such ideals.

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That's not true. A person is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, regardless of whether he or she is a citizen.

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The GOP is the one who ended CHIP, so it would seem they are the ones holding those kids "hostage."

Sad!!!

we're the ones who overwhelming voted to keep government open and the democrats are the ones who overwhelmingly voted to shut it down.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Easy fix end the 60 vote threshold and majority wins.

Go ahead. Do it. We'll be using that for all kinds of fun things when we're back in power.

[Machismo]

Again basic arithmetic here. To pass legislation it requires 60 senate votes. The republicans are only 51 votes thus democrats have to vote with the president. The republicans have been lock step as you saw with the passage of the tax bill. The democrat party believes they will be rewarded if they vote even against there own constituents interest if they can block everything they can. Easy fix end the 60 vote threshold and majority wins.

The Democrats have also been in lock step, which means they should compromise in order to get some Democrats to support it.

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we're the ones who overwhelming voted to keep government open and the democrats are the ones who overwhelmingly voted to shut it down.

Actually, the vote was on a specific plan. I never saw a "shutdown" bill, maybe you can point it out.

[askevi]

Four Republicans voted no: Mike Lee, Flake, Graham and Rand Paul. Republicans are not lockstep on this. The fact is, when you have one party government, you think you never have to compromise. Flake and Graham know this.

[CastletonSnob]

Probably a stupid question, but will the shutdown affect people's prescriptions? Will pharmacies be closed?

[Vatrilian]

There is no singular culture. my culture is clearly far different from yours.

How someone votes does not denote culture. The problem and the danger that the modern democrat party has created is identity politics. That because you are black, white, male, female, gay, straight you must vote monolithic. Your interests in the cohort must outweigh the interests of everyone else. If I say two last names, Guilliani and Cuomo and asked how do you think they vote? You wouldn't know. The first wave of immigrants have successfully followed the motto out of many one. If i say how would Garcia and Gonzales vote you would say most likely Democrat. That is the issue when we import a million people a month, allow them to take advantage of the existing government welfare state, speak their own language, and live in there own cultural cocoons we get people voting on their cohort identity instead of country.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Probably a stupid question, but will the shutdown affect people's prescriptions? Will pharmacies be closed?

None of that is maintained by the feds, so no. I'm a teacher, a state worker, and this won't furlough me.

[Bullettime]

How someone votes does not denote culture. The problem and the danger that the modern democrat party has created is identity politics. That because you are black, white, male, female, gay, straight you must vote monolithic. Your interests in the cohort must outweigh the interests of everyone else. If I say two last names, Guilliani and Cuomo and asked how do you think they vote? You wouldn't know. The first wave of immigrants have successfully followed the motto out of many one. If i say how would Garcia and Gonzales vote you would say most likely Democrat. That is the issue when we import a million people a month, allow them to take advantage of the existing government welfare state, speak their own language, and live in there own cultural cocoons we get people voting on their cohort identity instead of country.

And now the real feelings begin to show. So you're just another make America white again sycophant that is blind to the fact that even the GOP support the DACA behind the scenes.

[Vatrilian]

Four Republicans voted no: Mike Lee, Flake, Graham and Rand Paul. Republicans are not lockstep on this. The fact is, when you have one party government, you think you never have to compromise. Flake and Graham know this.

And Democrats voted to keep the government open. Your point is that the Democrat party and Graham, Flake, Lee voted to shutdown the government I totally agree. Rand Paul did it for an entirely different reason.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

How someone votes does not denote culture. The problem and the danger that the modern democrat party has created is identity politics. That because you are black, white, male, female, gay, straight you must vote monolithic.

When, exactly, is the last time a Republican set foot in a marginalizes black neighborhood and when has the Republican Party ever done anything for the LGBT community?

Do I need to quote the GOP platform on the subject of gay people? You guys created "identity politics" by crapping on various groups of people.

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And now the real feelings begin to show. So you're just another make America white again sycophant that is blind to the fact that even the GOP support the DACA behind the scenes.

Are you surprised?

[Elegiac]

How someone votes does not denote culture. The problem and the danger that the modern democrat party has created is identity politics. That because you are black, white, male, female, gay, straight you must vote monolithic. Your interests in the cohort must outweigh the interests of everyone else. If I say two last names, Guilliani and Cuomo and asked how do you think they vote? You wouldn't know. The first wave of immigrants have successfully followed the motto out of many one. If i say how would Garcia and Gonzales vote you would say most likely Democrat. That is the issue when we import a million people a month, allow them to take advantage of the existing government welfare state, speak their own language, and live in there own cultural cocoons we get people voting on their cohort identity instead of country.

All politics is identity politics; it is not a new phenomenon. What the right wing actually means when they say "identity politics" is "representing identities I don't like".

[Vatrilian]

And now the real feelings begin to show. So you're just another make America white again sycophant that is blind to the fact that even the GOP support the DACA behind the scenes.

? I am for keep America America. Why is it racist to say I don't want to pay to educate, cloth, feed, South America and Mexico. Color is irrelevant. The only party that votes for amnesty every 20 years is the republican.

[askevi]

This also isn't a DACA/no DACA binary issue. The fact is that the government as a whole, transportation, education, military, everything, needs funding. They have had five of these kick the can resolutions already. It's time to make the deal and fund the government for the whole year.

[Elegiac]

? I am for keep America America. Why is it racist to say I don't want to pay to educate, cloth, feed, South America and Mexico. Color is irrelevant. The only party that votes for amnesty every 20 years is the republican.

Considering the Dreamers are, for all intents and purposes, American - you should clearly support giving them protection.

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How someone votes does not denote culture. The problem and the danger that the modern democrat party has created is identity politics. That because you are black, white, male, female, gay, straight you must vote monolithic. Your interests in the cohort must outweigh the interests of everyone else. If I say two last names, Guilliani and Cuomo and asked how do you think they vote? You wouldn't know. The first wave of immigrants have successfully followed the motto out of many one. If i say how would Garcia and Gonzales vote you would say most likely Democrat. That is the issue when we import a million people a month, allow them to take advantage of the existing government welfare state, speak their own language, and live in there own cultural cocoons we get people voting on their cohort identity instead of country.

Your country never had an identity to begin with and when it had an identity (Native Americans) you wiped all of them out and claimed the land.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

? I am for keep America America.

Now you get to determine who is or isn't American?

[Vatrilian]

All politics is identity politics; it is not a new phenomenon. What the right wing actually means when they say "identity politics" is "representing identities I don't like".

Identity politics was not created by the right wing. It has been used by every Marxist and Socialist regimes since there inception. The Democrat party believes that its future lies with a coalition of minorities, or victims. The only way to do that is to practice identity politics.