Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Drekmar]

Definitely intended to ship with 7.3.5/allied races.

It is called "7.3.5 Allied Races - Orgrimmar - Engineering Works - Telescope (RKS)". oh look another direct reference to allied races in 7.3.5

It's a pretty simple scenescript as far as in-game cutscenes go!

local bugActor = SpawnModelActor( bugID, 1518.52, -4131.5, 64.5062, 224.515, 0.22, false )

Is that the goddamn bug doing circles in front of the cam?

[FlemmMinis]

Definitely intended to ship with 7.3.5/allied races.

It is called "7.3.5 Allied Races - Orgrimmar - Engineering Works - Telescope (RKS)". oh look another direct reference to allied races in 7.3.5

It's a pretty simple scenescript as far as in-game cutscenes go!

The numbers, parrot! What do they mean?

No, seriously though. Does this video even have an end?

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

You can see 2 Highmountain tauren at the Valley of Wisdom. One sits on a bench next to tauren hut, other one walks beetween the pond and paladain/warrior trainer.

Nah he was seeing them in the embassy. The ones that were spawned there on PTR but then got phased out.

Definitely intended to ship with 7.3.5/allied races.

It is called "7.3.5 Allied Races - Orgrimmar - Engineering Works - Telescope (RKS)". oh look another direct reference to allied races in 7.3.5

It's a pretty simple scenescript as far as in-game cutscenes go!

Hmm.... weird. I wonder why we'd have to wait that long for just a rune to appear as part of the plot. I figured maybe there was a character that would place the rune that wasn't spawned in because of the phasing.

[Marlamin]

Is that the goddamn bug doing circles in front of the cam?

Yeah, apparently emigrated from the Valley of the Four Winds to Orgrimmar. They should make Orgrimmar's wall a bit higher.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Yeah, apparently emigrated from the Valley of the Four Winds to Orgrimmar. They should make Orgrimmar's wall a bit higher.

Clearly we should ban flight from Pandaria.

[Shadochi]

Clearly we should ban flight from Pandaria.

Not all bugs are servants of the Old Gods!

[Chickat]

For all we know they could've pulled another Gorgrond, decided to redesign, and the zone is in a much more unfinished state than during the demo. Point being that we don't know anything.

True, but this time they actually have a chance of releasing the expansion earlier than a lot of people expect.

[Gangreflamme]

Do you think the Red light skybox from after Antorus will stay in the sky forever now ?

[derpkitteh]

^Yeah That.

Inasmuch as races exist, they are their own. A self-loathing and contemptible one, but... yup.

they don't portray the self-loathing aspect of it in wow anymore, and it has reduced the quality of forsaken lore.

i really hope that the desolate council continues to be a thing in lore throughout bfa and beyond. we need that aspect back.

[Chickat]

If the BfA main cities are anything like Suramar, they'll be great.

Im guessing each factions city will be about 1/2 to 2/3 the size of Suramar city so fairly large either way. Each continent has 2 normal size zones and 1 zone almost large enough to be 2 zones. Thats why most people are speculation that each faction gets a large city with quests etc. How cool would it be if you do a bunch of max level stuff in your city, even some while you level. Then at max level you get to go to the enemies city and do some of the stuff they got to do while under disguise. There will be guards that can see through your disguise and if caught enemy players can attack you pvp on or not. In this scenario I think there will be significantly less What are you hiding gaurds. More spread out easier to navigate.

[CasualFilth]

Do you think the Red light skybox from after Antorus will stay in the sky forever now ?

Very much positive about this tbh.

[derpkitteh]

Do you think the Red light skybox from after Antorus will stay in the sky forever now ?

it should. it's probably like the link that the original dark portal created, permanent and uncloseable.

[Shadochi]

Do you think the Red light skybox from after Antorus will stay in the sky forever now ?

Might play a part in Void lord portal construction.

[Chickat]

What an asspull.

"Uh, the Horde should focus on healing the world instead of mining a powerful ore, so they are the aggressor!!! They wouldn't do anything nice with it ANYWAY!".

Spies are considered "Unlawful combatants" and should "be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention." (Granted, that's based on real life, but let's be honest, I think the same would apply to WoW). It's not like the Alliance had a presence in Silithus when Nathanos said to kill them, he was told that the Alliance didn't know of it; he didn't tell you to kill civilians or anything, he probably expected spies.

And then he parrots the stupid "horde abandoned the alliance" (by disregarding the horn), and completely forgetting that Greymane attacked Sylvanas fleet without any provocation.

Nobbel is the definition about an overrated Youtuber who has really lost his touch. He should go back to just telling the lore instead of speculating about it or bring his own theories into it; they are all really awful.

Yeah, its 100% clear that the alliance are the initial aggressors in this war. Im sure the horde would have done it first had they the chance, but the alliance attacked first this time.

[gcsmith]

they don't portray the self-loathing aspect of it in wow anymore, and it has reduced the quality of forsaken lore.

i really hope that the desolate council continues to be a thing in lore throughout bfa and beyond. we need that aspect back.

As if Sylvanas will let them exist, she lock Koiltira (however you spell his name) in a cage for years and tried to 'reeducate him'.

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Yeah, its 100% clear that the alliance are the initial aggressors in this war. Im sure the horde would have done it first had they the chance, but the alliance attacked first this time.

Depends when the war started. Horde attacked Alliance first in Ashran. And no peace treaty was signed after that.

[Chickat]

This will never not be a hilarious argument, and it's amazing how much people bring it up.

"Well I know we invaded your land, slaughtered your people, plagued your city with a corrosive biological agent that lasts for decades, killed the son who took an arrow for you, and then tried to murder and resurrect everyone else in the region... b-but that was whole months ago so it doesn't count! How dare you attack our ships for no reason while we were looking for a way to do incredibly shady shit to expand our power! Completely unjustified!"

It was literally like 5 years ago or something at this point. He had no right to attack the horde unless provoked first. He cant let his personal hatred of the forsaken/horde effect the entire world.

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And also, haven't the forsaken been prohibited from making more of the plague even by their own faction?

IMO BfA should be Horde+Alliance vs Forsaken.

Im pretty sure they were forbidden to create that plague used at Wrathgate. The current plague is much weaker than the one from wrath.

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The thing is, no one is in the right, here. But they have understandable motivations. (I know, I know. I'm committing blasphemy by saying characters making mistakes or having other perspectives and decisions than I would isn't just Blizzard being crap writers.)

This game isn't about good vs evil. It's about different perspectives. And I believe this thread proves well that that is succeeding.

In the end, the coming war is inevitable. The Alliance attacks in Silithus, because they can't let the Horde claim another dangerous superweapon. The Horde would never share it with them, due to what happened in Stormheim. What happened in Stormheim was mostly due to Genn Greymane seeing red when confronted with the murderer of his people and son. Due to the Forsaken invasion of Gilneas. Which happened on orders of Garrosh Hellscream. Who was also the one to open the world's eyes to the possibility and dangers of the armies of Azeroth obtaining Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Garrosh may be dead and gone, but his deeds live on. The hatreds, distrust and the threat of WMDs live on and keep things progressing towards conflict. Conflict that has become inevitable now that nukes are popping out of the ground to fight over.

"Every reprisal is itself an act of aggression, and every act of aggression triggers immediate reprisal."

"You must break the cycle".

"Walk away"

-Taran Zhu

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10 days until Allied races

That is dangerous thinking. You could be very disappointed.

[Steampunkette]

As if Sylvanas will let them exist, she lock Koiltira (however you spell his name) in a cage for years and tried to 'reeducate him'.

Koltira, you were -close-! Though I didn't think it was to re-educate him so much as punish him. Forever. Because Sylvanas sees that as an acceptable result of betrayal.

On another note: People keep saying Sylvanas is "Dooming" people to the blackness beyond death... but um... Everyone goes there. Undead or not.

It's called the Shadowlands. It's where Death Knights send a party of NPCs to go grab a chunk of Proudmoore, who wasn't undead. It's where Arthas, who is clearly undead, also went after his demise.

Everyone goes to the Shadowlands when they die. Sylvanas doesn't ever want to go there, or want her people the Forsaken to go there. That's why she's seeking Immortality for them all. It's also why she was willing (but unable) to kill her sister Vereesa Windrunner and raise her as an undead elf. She saw it as a way to keep her from ever going to the Shadowlands. As a way of "Saving" or "Protecting" her.

So... y'know. That's a thing.

[Chickat]

I wonder how long Alpha / Beta will run for if it doesn't start until February.

5-6 months.

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As if Sylvanas will let them exist, she lock Koiltira (however you spell his name) in a cage for years and tried to 'reeducate him'.

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Depends when the war started. Horde attacked Alliance first in Ashran. And no peace treaty was signed after that.

I dont think Ashran is cannon, and how do you know they attacked first?

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Also, im not saying the alliance have no reason to hate the horde/want to attack them, but imo they clearly started it this time. Both times in Legion and in BFA. Horde had no chance but to leave the shore. It was either die together or leave and try to live to fight another day. They were being slaughtered.

[derpkitteh]

Koltira, you were -close-! Though I didn't think it was to re-educate him so much as punish him. Forever. Because Sylvanas sees that as an acceptable result of betrayal.

On another note: People keep saying Sylvanas is "Dooming" people to the blackness beyond death... but um... Everyone goes there. Undead or not.

It's called the Shadowlands. It's where Death Knights send a party of NPCs to go grab a chunk of Proudmoore, who wasn't undead. It's where Arthas, who is clearly undead, also went after his demise.

Everyone goes to the Shadowlands when they die. Sylvanas doesn't ever want to go there, or want her people the Forsaken to go there. That's why she's seeking Immortality for them all. It's also why she was willing (but unable) to kill her sister Vereesa Windrunner and raise her as an undead elf. She saw it as a way to keep her from ever going to the Shadowlands. As a way of "Saving" or "Protecting" her.

So... y'know. That's a thing.

no, the shadowlands isn't usually like it was for sylvanas.

whatever happened to sylvanas, whether it was a val'kyr trick, a result of having her spirit impaled by saronite, or something else, it definitely wasn't just the shadowlands unless for some reason there's a bad place that bad people go in the shadowlands when they die.

we see with the uuna quest that good spirits can be trapped in darkness, but i think uuna is a special case since she was bound to an unholy abomination for 25,000 years.

[Nathanyel]

Depends when the war started. Horde attacked Alliance first in Ashran. And no peace treaty was signed after that.

PvP isn't canon.