Why do the Brits still own the Falklands when the Falklands is Argentinian?

[Deleted]

Because the Brits are a bunch of hypocrits. They say the people that live there are british and don't want to belong to Argentina. But if that is true why do they feel so different about western Poland? That's still largely inhabited by Germans and yet it isn't part of Germany. British people are scum.

[Cerilis]

A referendum on political status was held in the Falkland Islands on 10–11 March 2013. The Falkland Islanders were asked whether or not they supported the continuation of their status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom in view of Argentina's call for negotiations on the islands' sovereignty.

On a turnout of 91.94%, an overwhelming 99.8% voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkla...ferendum,_2013

Here, this. /thread

[zealo]

Because the Brits are a bunch of hypocrits. They say the people that live there are british and don't want to belong to Argentina. But if that is true why do they feel so different about western Poland? That's still largely inhabited by Germans and yet it isn't part of Germany. British people are scum.

The westward relocation of Poland was more of an idea of Stalin than Britain, to be fair. Poland also lost land in the east to the soviets when that happened.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Because when they had a referendum that was basically "Argentina or Nah?"...99% of the islanders said "Nah"

[BloodyAngel12]

Not this shit again.

[Grokresh]

Because the Brits are a bunch of hypocrits. They say the people that live there are british and don't want to belong to Argentina. But if that is true why do they feel so different about western Poland? That's still largely inhabited by Germans and yet it isn't part of Germany. British people are scum.

Every place we still own is because they voted to stay part of the United Kingdom, as a brit if they wish to leave sure fine whatever, also I don't know a single person who has ever even mentioned western Poland or cares what other countries do with their land disputes. If Falklands keep voting to be part of the UK great same for Gibraltar and Northen Ireland, if they want to leave that's on them, same for Scotland. Such unfounded hatred.

[Shadee]

Every place we still own is because they voted to stay part of the United Kingdom, as a brit if they wish to leave sure fine whatever, also I don't know a single person who has ever even mentioned western Poland or cares what other countries do with their land disputes. If Falklands keep voting to be part of the UK great same for Gibraltar and Northen Ireland, if they want to leave that's on them, same for Scotland. Such unfounded hatred.

The British keep it for oil. Don't try to act all high and mighty.

[Lollis]

Because anyone who knows anything about the history knows that Argentina's 'claim' comes from a disputed agreement between France and Spain that not only happened before Argentina existed but also did not include Great Britain. And that is ignoring their little war that they lost.

1493: Pope Alexander VI issues a Papal bull, the Inter caetera, that divides the New World between Spain and Portugal.
1504: Binot Paulmier de Gonneville (France) sights islands that may have been the Falklands.
1592: John Davis (England), member of the second English expedition of Cavendish, shelters among islands that may have been the Falklands. The Falklands motto Desire the right is in part based on Davis' ship Desire.
1604: Treaty of London between Spain and England. Terms largely favourable to Spain set aside "what had been able to acquire previously to its signature".
1670: Treaty of Madrid. Spain recognised English possessions in the Caribbean Sea, and each country agreed to refrain from trading in the other's territory.
1690: John Strong (England) landed, and named the sound and eventually the entire island group after Viscount Falkland, Admiralty Commissioner.
1713: Treaty of Utrecht between Spain, France, and Great Britain. Spain later claims this granted Spain sovereignty over the islands based on the Treaty of Tordesillas, a claim rejected by Great Britain.
1764: Louis de Bougainville (France) founded a naval base at Port Louis, East Falkland.
1765: Ignorant of de Bougainville's presence, John Byron (Great Britain) claims Saunders Island and other islands for Britain. Britain builds a settlement on Saunders Island the following year.
1766: France and Spain reach agreement: French forces are to leave, and Spain agrees to pay for the installations built by de Bougainville.
1769: British and Spanish ships encounter one another whilst surveying the island. Each accuse the other of having no lawful reason for being in the islands.
1770: Falkland Crisis: Five Spanish ships arrive at Port Egmont with over 1400 troops under the command of General Madariaga. The British are forced to abandon Port Egmont and threaten war.
1771: That dispute was settled, with Spain retaining Puerto Soledad and Great Britain Port Egmont. Spain returns all goods and chattels seized and makes restitution. The Spanish later claim a secret agreement was reached whereby the British would leave the island, this is denied by the British and no documentary proof of the agreement has ever been produced.
1774: The British decide to evacuate many overseas settlements due to the economic pressures of the American War of Independence. The British garrison departs the islands but leaves behind a plaque asserting British dominion.
1780: Sealers occupying Port Egmont are evicted when it is destroyed by the Spanish to prevent the British from returning.
1790: Nootka Convention. Britain conceded Spanish sovereignty over all Spain's traditional territories in the Americas. Whether or not the islands were included is disputed.
1806: Spain recalls Governor Juan Crisostomo Martinez from the islands but leaves behind a plaque re-asserting Spanish dominion.
1811: The Spanish evacuate Puerto Soledad, the islands become the domain of sealers and whalers.
1816: The United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, later called Argentina, claimed independence from Spain.
1820: After an 8-month voyage, and with the ship in a poor state, the Argentine frigate, Heroína, puts into the islands in October. On 6 November Captain Jewett raises the flag and claims the islands for the United Provinces of the River Plate.
1825: The United Kingdom recognised Argentina's independence from Spain.
1828: Vernet's settlement established.
1829: Buenos Aires issues decree setting up "Political and Military command of the Malvinas". Britain protests.
1832: Argentina sends a garrison commanded by Major Esteban Mestivier. Mestivier is murdered following a mutiny.
1833: Britain re-establishes control of the islands. 
1841: General Rosas offers to relinquish any claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in return for the relief of the Argentine debt to City of London interests. The British decline the offer.
1843: Work begins on the new town of Port Stanley
1850: Britain and Argentina sign the “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship”. Several historians (Argentine, British and Latin American) consider this has a negative impact upon Argentina's modern sovereignty claim.
1881: The Falkland Islands become financially independent.
1884: Argentina requests that the sovereignty dispute be submitted to independent arbitration, Britain refuses. The first mention of the Falkland Islands by Argentina for 34 years.
1945: Formation of the United Nations, Argentina states its claim to the islands in its opening address.
1946: Britain includes the Falkland Islands among the non-autonomous territories subject to its administration, under Chapter XI of the UN charter.[2]
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgement.
1976: RRS Shackleton is fired upon by the Argentine destroyer ARA Almirante Storni during Lord Shackleton's mission. Argentina establishes a military base on Southern Thule. Britain protests but seeks a diplomatic solution.
1980: Nicholas Ridley proposes leaseback solution, it is rejected by the islanders.
1982: Various tensions, but mainly the desire of the Argentine military junta to distract attention from domestic economic and political ills, led to an Argentine invasion. The islands were later retaken by the UK. (See Falklands War.) In November, the United Nations General Assembly called on the UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty negotiations, but the UK refuses to discuss sovereignty unless it has the consent of the Islanders. An updated Shackleton report on the economic prospects for the islands is published following the conflict.
1994: Argentina enshrines its claim to the Falkland Islands in its constitution.
2013: Referendum held in March, overseen by international observers. Falkland Islanders voted to determine their future, 99.8% of the electorate voted YES to maintaining current political status as a British Overseas Territory.

[Aitch]

It's just a bunch of falkland islands.

What you did there. I see it. Others won’t. But I do.

[Grokresh]

The British keep it for oil. Don't try to act all high and mighty.

I don't know why the British Government want it quite possibly that reason but I don't personally want to keep it for oil, I know the people there voted to stay a part of us and I believe in self-determination, the right to decide ones own fate, they've decided it's with us you can think what you want of my intentions if you want to be childish and just assume I've got some ulterior agenda.

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I don't know why the British Government want it quite possibly that reason but I don't personally want to keep it for oil, I know the people there voted to stay a part of us and I believe in self-determination, the right to decide ones own fate, they've decided it's with us you can think what you want of my intentions if you want to be childish and just assume I've got some ulterior agenda.

Why would I lie on an mmo forum btw? if they want to leave I've no objection to that at all.

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Here, this. /thread

Yup, that is literally al this is about 99.8% is a pretty strong result for anything. If they want another referendum then we'll see what they say but that was literally only 5 years ago.

[Gaaz]

It's because there is oil there. Don't listen to these bullshit exploring Antarctica people lol.

To be more precise, oil near Falklands basin has nothing to do with why tensions near Falklands intensified recently. It is because ownership of the islands grants rights to explore Antarctica for oil reserves. In 2048 the ban on oil extraction in Antarctica will expire (and it does not look like anyone is willing to renew it). By some estimates, there are 200 billion barrels there. Falklands is something like 10% Antarctic territory claim. But more important than that, it allows an actual territorial claim of another continent.
If there is as much oil as predicted, it is still extremely difficult and too expensive to extract as of today. But that can change by 2048. It also does not mean there are no other resources. Basically, because of a ban on commercial exploration, there is very little information available about Antarctica that is not classified (done illegally by governments). But if Argentina loses Falklands, they basically have no other way to get to that pie. The only reason why Falklands dispute is so mild is that we have almost no in-depth info on this continent. As we are getting closer to 2048 deadline, imo things will be heating up.

[Grokresh]

To be more precise, oil near Falklands basin has nothing to do with why tensions near Falklands intensified recently. It is because ownership of the islands grants rights to explore Antarctica for oil reserves. In 2048 the ban on oil extraction in Antarctica will expire (and it does not look like anyone is willing to renew it). By some estimates, there are 200 billion barrels there. Falklands is something like 10% Antarctic territory claim. But more important than that, it allows an actual territorial claim of another continent.
If there is as much oil as predicted, it is still extremely difficult and too expensive to extract as of today. But that can change by 2048. It also does not mean there are no other resources. Basically, because of a ban on commercial exploration, there is very little information available about Antarctica that is not classified (done illegally by governments). But if Argentina looses Falklands, they basically have no other way to get to that pie. The only reason why Falklands dispute is so mild is that we have almost no in-depth info on this continent. As we are getting closer to 2048 deadline, imo things will be heating up.

Nothing to discuss! our islands till they decide they aren't, no steal our Falklands.

[Zelk]

You really do NOT want to go there.

I've been to Belfast mate it's alright

[Obelisk Kai]

Every place we still own is because they voted to stay part of the United Kingdom, as a brit if they wish to leave sure fine whatever, also I don't know a single person who has ever even mentioned western Poland or cares what other countries do with their land disputes. If Falklands keep voting to be part of the UK great same for Gibraltar and Northen Ireland, if they want to leave that's on them, same for Scotland. Such unfounded hatred.

Not really unfounded. In the case of the north of Ireland, the island clearly voted to leave the UK in the 1918 general election. Then, against the will of the majority, the island was partitioned so that a tiny minority against independence were given an area in which they were a majority and then they decided to remain with the UK, despite everyone else on the island being against partition. Oh, and to make their new little state work, they had to force several hundred thousand of those who wanted independence into the state to provide enough area and people for it to actually work at all (but not enough to outvote them).

At which point this tiny minority then discovered the value of democracy and have been going on about how important a majority vote is. It's the sheer hypocrisy that is galling.

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I've been to Belfast mate it's alright

More the topic itself.

[Grokresh]

Not really unfounded. In the case of the north of Ireland, the island clearly voted to leave the UK in the 1918 general election. Then, against the will of the majority, the island was partitioned so that a tiny minority against independence were given an area in which they were a majority and then they decided to remain with the UK, despite everyone else on the island being against partition. Oh, and to make their new little state work, they had to force several hundred thousand of those who wanted independence into the state to provide enough area and people for it to actually work at all (but not enough to outvote them).

At which point this tiny minority then discovered the value of democracy and have been going on about how important a majority vote is. It's the sheer hypocrisy that is galling.

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More the topic itself.

Yes unfounded, hating all British people for the events in North island is ridiculous. Also the person that was in response to was talking about Poland and German issues.

[psyquest]

Military presence perhaps ? UK also owns Gibraltar, envied by Spain.

and Spain sits on two places in Morocco (Ceuta and Melilia), on the African continent and an island off the coast of Morocco (Canary islands) ...

[Obelisk Kai]

Yes unfounded, hating all British people for the events in North island is ridiculous. Also the person that was in response to was talking about Poland and German issues.

I don't hate the British but you shouldn't presume that the actions of the British in the past are excused or forgotten about simply because of the passage of time. Nor is it as cut and dried in the north of Ireland as being the will of the majority. It is the will of the majority of the north NOW, but never forget the north of Ireland is a gerrymandered state deliberately drawn to ensure a pro-british majority whilst dragging in as many of those who didn't want to stay a part of the UK as could safely be controlled.

Democracy is not always a perfect shield in the proper historical context.

[Deleted]

Because the Brits are a bunch of hypocrits. They say the people that live there are british and don't want to belong to Argentina. But if that is true why do they feel so different about western Poland? That's still largely inhabited by Germans and yet it isn't part of Germany. British people are scum.

also elections.

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How reliable is that claim though? Vote tampering? Misinformation?

Just curious.

About as trustworthy as it gets.

[Grokresh]

I don't hate the British but you shouldn't presume that the actions of the British in the past are excused or forgotten about simply because of the passage of time. Nor is it as cut and dried in the north of Ireland as being the will of the majority. It is the will of the majority of the north NOW, but never forget the north of Ireland is a gerrymandered state deliberately drawn to ensure a pro-british majority whilst dragging in as many of those who didn't want to stay a part of the UK as could safely be controlled.

Democracy is not always a perfect shield in the proper historical context.

It's hard to excuse actions by people who don't exist anymore yes. The British people of today aren't involved. We didn't do this. I won't take any blame for sins of my countries past.

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How reliable is that claim though? Vote tampering? Misinformation?

Just curious.

Burden of proof is on you if there's no reason to suspect vote tampering.

[Dundebuns]

Probably the only good thing Maggie Thatcher did.