Scarlett Johansson is a hypocrite

[Grokresh]

No you are innocent until proven guilty, that is the law. That means that you remain innocent until you are proven to be guilty. Lacking evidence to convict someone means that they keep their innocence because it is not proven that they are guilty. Its not that hard.

Well yes by law they are TREATED as innocent till proven guilty WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW but that doesn't mean they ARE innocent.

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most of the #Metoo movement is a pile of shit headed by garbage people anyway.

witch hunts never turn out well. Maybe we don't even need proof anymore, just shouting it out now makes it true right guys?

The effect is already there imo, people aren't taking anything related to this movement serious anymore.

It sucks for those that were actually victim of rape. All the women that had a hand placed on their shoulder or didn't like a certain guy offering them a drink destroyed the real victims hope for justice.

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Sexual harassment in the movie/music industry and sexual harassment in the sex industry certainly are.

Not really, you either get sexual harassed or you get sexual harassed. The biggest difference here is that most in the movie industry went along with it.

[Stelio Kontos]

Not really, you either get sexual harassed or you get sexual harassed. The biggest difference here is that most in the movie industry went along with it.

No, it is apples and oranges. And even if I did indulge that sort of chicanery, it would still not be to your benefit because of the fact female strippers get harassed just as bad, if not worse, than males do. Hence the need for draconian rules in strip clubs for men. They weren't instituted because of "muh muh misandry"

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Well yes by law they are TREATED as innocent till proven guilty WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW but that doesn't mean they ARE innocent.

No, they are not treated as if they are innocent, they are innocent until you can prove wrongdoing. The only thing you can "prove" that they are raped is by flat out believing what they say. And this goes directly against all our rules of justice. So yea, they are innocent until proven guilty.

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No, it is apples and oranges. And even if I did indulge that sort of chicanery, it would still not be to your benefit because of the fact female strippers get harassed just as bad, if not worse, than males do. Hence the need for draconian rules in strip clubs for men. They weren't instituted because of "muh uh misandry"

Lol right, just go watch a male stripper... The only reason those same rules do not apply to male strippers is because it is deemed socially acceptable for females to grope males and not the other way around.

[Grokresh]

No, they are not treated as if they are innocent, they are innocent until you can prove wrongdoing. The only thing you can "prove" that they are raped is by flat out believing what they say. And this goes directly against all our rules of justice. So yea, they are innocent until proven guilty.

If a women is raped and never tells anyone, did the man rape her.

[Stelio Kontos]

Lol right, just go watch a male stripper... The only reason those same rules do not apply to male strippers is because it is deemed socially acceptable for females to grope males and not the other way around.

As I said, I worked as a bouncer, I saw plenty of that sort of behavior.

But I never had to deal with a male stripper getting beaten or someone attempting to rape him in the parking lot by a female patron. Hell, some of the best money came from the tips strippers gave to make sure they got to their cars safely. That's how big of an issue it was.

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If a women is raped and never tells anyone, did the man rape her.

Depends on who you believe, so it is up for the courts to decide.

[tankbug]

most of the #Metoo movement is a pile of shit headed by garbage people anyway.

witch hunts never turn out well. Maybe we don't even need proof anymore, just shouting it out now makes it true right guys?

I agree that people are innocent until proven guilty, and I think that there has been some stories that don't hold water, but the movement has indeed uncovered a lot of shitty, unacceptable behavior by powerful people who saw themselves as untouchable. I'm glad it happened, so maybe girls can feel safer, and resist without fearing for their careers and reputations.

[Torto]

Your right, bias is bias but people are free to their own opinions in this world and as long as no one uses that opinion to break the law there isn't much we can do short of policing free will.

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Well, trial by media is just about free will and opinions, it's not an actual trial they won't lock people up over it, harvey weinstein isn't even being arrested for example and he's the most blamed of all.

Yeah but his career is ruined, and he will most likely be bankrupt once the conga line or civil lawsuits have finished running him over. You don't have to go to prison to be punished and don't think for a second innocent people won't get caught up in this.

[Deleted]

Making a loaded joke in the presence of a woman and telling her how you'd like to "insert weird fetish action" in the presence of others are both harassment but are not nearly the same thing. There is a very wide range of what can be considered harassment and it gets wider every day.

And that is problematic, yet, it is still all harassment.

[Grokresh]

Depends on who you believe, so it is up for the courts to decide.

Not knowing about an event doesn't stop the event having happened, are you saying courts don't make mistakes? Are you saying every single person that has being declared as innocent was innocent? Are you literally trolling at this point or do you think courts are incapable of letting people go free who have commited crimes.

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Yeah but his career is ruined, and he will most likely be bankrupt once the conga line or civil lawsuits have finished running him over. You don't have to go to prison to be punished and don't think for a second innocent people won't get caught up in this.

True but short of thought police this isn't going to change.

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As I said, I worked as a bouncer, I saw plenty of that sort of behavior.

But I never had to deal with a male stripper getting beaten or someone attempting to rape him in the parking lot by a female patron. Hell, some of the best money came from the tips strippers gave to make sure they got to their cars safely. That's how big of an issue it was.

Right, because one thing that might happen once every blue moon excuses all other bad behavior from the other side.. Those girls just didn't wait for the guy to be alone, they pretty much rape them on stage. That is not something you see happening to girl strippers.

The point is that there is allot of misconduct on both sides, but as always, it is only one side that gets all the flak.

[Torto]

If a women is raped and never tells anyone, did the man rape her.

According to feminists, all penetration is rape.

[Mistame]

Sigh. #metoo is more detrimental than anything for actual victims. All this talk about "sexual misconduct" is just virtue-signaling and overreacting to get attention. It's stupid. Also, "abuse of power" is being thrown around way too loosely. If someone in a position of power coerces you into something you otherwise wouldn't be willing to do, that's an abuse of power. If you're creaming your pants because you met someone famous and you willingly screw them, you're not a fucking victim.

Well yes by law they are TREATED as innocent till proven guilty WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW but that doesn't mean they ARE innocent.

You seem to be missing the point. "Innocent" and "guilty" are terms exclusive to the legal process. A person is innocent until proven guilty, regardless of them committing a crime or not.

[Grokresh]

According to feminists, all penetration is rape.

I don't see how your point makes any relevance to my point, all I am saying is just because we don't know what happened when one person says something and someone else says something else it doesn't change anything, not knowing the truth doesn't change what the truth is. Not knowing if someone raped someone or not doesn't mean they did or didn't.

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Not knowing about an event doesn't stop the event having happened, are you saying courts don't make mistakes? Are you saying every single person that has being declared as innocent was innocent? Are you literally trolling at this point or do you think courts are incapable of letting people go free who have commited crimes.

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True but short of thought police this isn't going to change.

No it doesn't stop an event from happening, but as always, there are two sides to the story. She might think that she was raped, but at the same time the guy might think he did nothing wrong. That is the whole problem with these accusations.

[Grokresh]

No it doesn't stop an event from happening, but as always, there are two sides to the story. She might think that she was raped, but at the same time the guy might think he did nothing wrong. That is the whole problem with these accusations.

If her safety(or anyone elses) was in any way dependent on doing as told or if he physically forced himself on her it was rape. Pretty simple. Also if your too young to legally consent.

[Aliven]

We all know this. Yet none of these metoo trenders care to solve this problem. They're busy being on the hunt for men

Wast Kevin Spacey mostly accused by mens?

[Grokresh]

Sigh. #metoo is more detrimental than anything for actual victims. All this talk about "sexual misconduct" is just virtue-signaling and overreacting to get attention. It's stupid. Also, "abuse of power" is being thrown around way too loosely. If someone in a position of power coerces you into something you otherwise wouldn't be willing to do, that's an abuse of power. If you're creaming your pants because you met someone famous and you willingly screw them, you're not a fucking victim.



You seem to be missing the point. "Innocent" and "guilty" are terms exclusive to the legal process. A person is innocent until proven guilty, regardless of them committing a crime or not.

So your saying the word innocent is never used outside of the legal proccess? How would you describe someone who commited a crime but was not found guilty for that crime due to a lack of evidence but they know they did it.

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Wast Kevin Spacey mostly accused by mens?

Yes I believe, young men mostly.