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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    But no state should be allowed to violate Federal law. Which if it was a nation wide law, then all states would be obliged to obey them. Or should.
    The second amendment gives you the right to have a gun it doesn't go beyond that the details are up to the government state and federal. The supreme court tends to give plenty of leeway when it comes to state right unless it is something really awful. I am not sure what your gripe is you won the war, guns for everyone with a pulse coming to a red state near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The second amendment gives you the right to have a gun it doesn't go beyond that the details are up to the government state and federal. The supreme court tends to give plenty of leeway when it comes to state right unless it is something really awful. I am not sure what your gripe is you won the war, guns for everyone with a pulse coming to a red state near you.
    I hope it spreads even more. lol! But the danger is still present. The only case which was challenged ( the case of the City of San Diego, Ca. ) and went to the Supreme Court, was not heard as they refused to consider it. Even tho 3 Justices felt they should. The case in DC where the city's law made the citizens prove they had a need to get a permit to carry a handgun, was ruled Unconstitutional by a Federal judge on the grounds the city had violated the Constitution by requiring a person's need to show a need to get a permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    I hope it spreads even more. lol! But the danger is still present. The only case which was challenged ( the case of the City of San Diego, Ca. ) and went to the Supreme Court, was not heard as they refused to consider it. Even tho 3 Justices felt they should. The case in DC where the city's law made the citizens prove they had a need to get a permit to carry a handgun, was ruled Unconstitutional by a Federal judge on the grounds the city had violated the Constitution by requiring a person's need to show a need to get a permit.
    I doubt it people in blue states don't want it to be the wild west red states can feel free to go nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I doubt it people in blue states don't want it to be the wild west red states can feel free to go nuts.
    All it will take is for more pro gun rights Justices to be appointed to the Supreme Court. Then a ruling to be appealed to them. While it is uncommon for such cases to be revisited, it can happen.

    Also, poor Maryland. Their strict gun laws are not working for Baltimore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellrime View Post
    How in the hell would you make a law against that this isn't already on the books?
    The allmighty US can't deal with something every single country in the world can prevent ? Sound strange.

    The problem is known, the solution too. But "herp derp ma constitutinalz rightz" am I doing it right ?
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  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    All it will take is for more pro gun rights Justices to be appointed to the Supreme Court. Then a ruling to be appealed to them. While it is uncommon for such cases to be revisited, it can happen.

    Also, poor Maryland. Their strict gun laws are not working for Baltimore.
    It's a long shot but I am surprised you aren't moving to one of those states with crazy loose gun laws since you are retired. But eventually your side will push their advantage too far and maybe not anytime soon you will get severe push back, you should know American politics usually does extreme with wild swings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    No argument about our mental care here. But there are some questions that I do have. Why wasn't the gun locked up? Did the school know if he was bullied? Did the school bother to fix it if he was. Was there any warning signs beforehand?
    May have something to do with the laws of Kentucky on such. Also a lot of states do not have laws which says specifically they need to be locked up. Ohio would be one. They have laws which simply address it being the gun owners responsibility to have their firearms secured when minors are present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    No argument about our mental care here. But there are some questions that I do have. Why wasn't the gun locked up? Did the school know if he was bullied? Did the school bother to fix it if he was. Was there any warning signs beforehand?
    I'm sure it knew

    But didn't do anything but cause the bullying to grow worse. A slap on the hand just makes the bullying worse. This 'zero tolerance' policy that so many schools try to take has a big ass 'but...' next to it if the bully has something the school needs.
    You're not to think you are anything special. You're not to think you are as good as we are. You're not to think you are smarter than we are. You're not to convince yourself that you are better than we are. You're not to think you know more than we do. You're not to think you are more important than we are. You're not to think you are good at anything. You're not to laugh at us. You're not to think anyone cares about you. You're not to think you can teach us anything.

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    Kids are dying from misuse of washing powders and I have yet to see soap get banned.
    Me thinks Chromie has a whole lot of splaining to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    It's a long shot but I am surprised you aren't moving to one of those states with crazy loose gun laws since you are retired. But eventually your side will push their advantage too far and maybe not anytime soon you will get severe push back, you should know American politics usually does extreme with wild swings.
    No need. Ohio for the most part has some reasonable gun restrictions which I am not opposed to. I can really only think of 2 things I would like to see them change. One has to do with background checks and bump stocks being legal. I can exercise my right under the Constitution perfectly here. I have the right to open or conceal ( with a license ) carry a firearm except in specifically clear places. Ohio is a " shall issue" to it's residents, a carry conceal handgun license state. Some are not. Such as Maryland,New York to name a couple. Which are "may issue" states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiffums View Post
    Kids are dying from misuse of washing powders and I have yet to see soap get banned.
    Did you seriously compare morons doing the tide pod challenge to our gun problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Did you seriously compare morons doing the tide pod challenge to our gun problems?
    I think his point is, people can do stupid things with all types of legal objects and such. Even some which lead to death. So his point is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    I think his point is, people can do stupid things with all types of legal objects and such. Even some which lead to death. So his point is valid.
    Nope for his point to be valid people would have to voluntarily welcome bullet holes like the people swallowing tide pods. If all gun owners only hurt themselves or their family I wouldn't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Nope for his point to be valid people would have to voluntarily welcome bullet holes like the people swallowing tide pods. If all gun owners only hurt themselves or their family I wouldn't care.
    You saying you do not care about the number of suicides people commit using firearms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    No argument about our mental care here. But there are some questions that I do have. Why wasn't the gun locked up? Did the school know if he was bullied? Did the school bother to fix it if he was. Was there any warning signs beforehand?
    No idea why the gun wasn't locked up - my point is it shouldn't be accessible in the first place, even a locked up gun can be unlocked. What is the point of having a locked up gun anyway - one of the major pro-gun arguments is needing a gun for protection. It does you no good sitting there locked up. It's less likely the be stolen, less likely to be taken by your kid, but in terms of the ability to use it as protection it is a hindrance.

    The school may or may not have known. I was bullied all through school, I was too scared to report it for fear of making it worse. I just copped it on the chin and dealt with it. But I won't lie, there were many days where I dreamt of bad things happening to the fucks that bullied me. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't have access to what you have access to.

    The US is one big chicken and egg scenario of guns and criminals. You apparently need it for protection against crims, you only need it for protection because so many idiots have them for protection. It doesn't take a physicist to realise that strenuous application processes = less guns in circulation = harder for the one time crim to get their hands on guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Did you seriously compare morons doing the tide pod challenge to our gun problems?
    We don't have a problem anymore than we have a washing powders problems. We have a people problem.
    Me thinks Chromie has a whole lot of splaining to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moistau View Post
    No idea why the gun wasn't locked up - my point is it shouldn't be accessible in the first place, even a locked up gun can be unlocked. What is the point of having a locked up gun anyway - one of the major pro-gun arguments is needing a gun for protection. It does you no good sitting there locked up. It's less likely the be stolen, less likely to be taken by your kid, but in terms of the ability to use it as protection it is a hindrance.

    The school may or may not have known. I was bullied all through school, I was too scared to report it for fear of making it worse. I just copped it on the chin and dealt with it. But I won't lie, there were many days where I dreamt of bad things happening to the fucks that bullied me. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't have access to what you have access to.

    The US is one big chicken and egg scenario of guns and criminals. You apparently need it for protection against crims, you only need it for protection because so many idiots have them for protection. It doesn't take a physicist to realise that strenuous application processes = less guns in circulation = harder for the one time crim to get their hands on guns.
    Not necessarily. If I was to move to say a overseas country which did not allow firearms to be carried for self protection, I would still want to carry one. As you age, the odds of coming across a younger and stronger criminal who does not give two shits for your life, increases. So they can be a very effective tool for self defense against a stronger and faster aggressor. And not to mention if they are armed with a knife or such and non human attackers such as dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moistau View Post
    No idea why the gun wasn't locked up - my point is it shouldn't be accessible in the first place, even a locked up gun can be unlocked. What is the point of having a locked up gun anyway - one of the major pro-gun arguments is needing a gun for protection. It does you no good sitting there locked up. It's less likely the be stolen, less likely to be taken by your kid, but in terms of the ability to use it as protection it is a hindrance.

    The school may or may not have known. I was bullied all through school, I was too scared to report it for fear of making it worse. I just copped it on the chin and dealt with it. But I won't lie, there were many days where I dreamt of bad things happening to the fucks that bullied me. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't have access to what you have access to.

    The US is one big chicken and egg scenario of guns and criminals. You apparently need it for protection against crims, you only need it for protection because so many idiots have them for protection. It doesn't take a physicist to realise that strenuous application processes = less guns in circulation = harder for the one time crim to get their hands on guns.
    Then they would just beat you to death with a hammer. We didn't have this problem before so something changed.......and it was availability of guns. Hell you could order them through the mail so too long ago.
    Me thinks Chromie has a whole lot of splaining to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellrime View Post
    Criminals, i.e. felons CAN'T own firearms. There is already a law in place to prevent it... Nothing is made easier for them to acquire them?!?! They still get their hands on them. A guy I knew, which is now in prison, used to rob houses of known gun owners to funnel them onto the streets. How in the hell would you make a law against that this isn't already on the books?
    You make it much harder for ordinary citizens to own guns. Less guns in the hands on the population will lead to less guns on the streets. It's not exactly hard for criminals to get their hands on a firearm if almost every house that gets broken into contains a gun. There is a reason why the number of crimes connected to firearms is so insanely high in the US compared to every other nation on the planet, the lack of real gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiffums View Post
    We don't have a problem anymore than we have a washing powders problems. We have a people problem.
    Using that logic we should have no laws because it's always a people problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    You saying you do not care about the number of suicides people commit using firearms?
    No I do not and most people don't either seeing how we keep cutting back when it comes to mental health.

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