Question for the Raiders

[Nheme]

What kind of guild will you be looking for and how will you find it?

[Kokolums]

Id build my own. The correct way to build a raiding guild is to eliminate impatient people. Impatient people are very prone to gquit at the first sign of stagnation so they are worthless. Identifying impatient people is done by looking for those obsessed with efficiency. I would likely start by eliminating anyone whos account has keystone master, unless it was earned in 2018. It sounds counterintuitive but anyone who earned keystone master before 2018 is likely an efficiency monger and therefore its an autoban from the guild. Id also look at things like if you earned AOTC relatively early in a raid tier, especially multiple times, thats a bad sign as well.

[Projectmars]

Id build my own. The correct way to build a raiding guild is to eliminate impatient people. Impatient people are very prone to gquit at the first sign of stagnation so they are worthless. Identifying impatient people is done by looking for those obsessed with efficiency. I would likely start by eliminating anyone whos account has keystone master, unless it was earned in 2018. It sounds counterintuitive but anyone who earned keystone master before 2018 is likely an efficiency monger and therefore its an autoban from the guild. Id also look at things like if you earned AOTC relatively early in a raid tier, especially multiple times, thats a bad sign as well.

This is the Classic WoW forum, not the live one.

[Jyggalag]

Id build my own. The correct way to build a raiding guild is to eliminate impatient people. Impatient people are very prone to gquit at the first sign of stagnation so they are worthless. Identifying impatient people is done by looking for those obsessed with efficiency. I would likely start by eliminating anyone whos account has keystone master, unless it was earned in 2018. It sounds counterintuitive but anyone who earned keystone master before 2018 is likely an efficiency monger and therefore its an autoban from the guild. Id also look at things like if you earned AOTC relatively early in a raid tier, especially multiple times, thats a bad sign as well.

Only bads allowed. Gottcha

[badgersmashr]

Id build my own. The correct way to build a raiding guild is to eliminate impatient people. Impatient people are very prone to gquit at the first sign of stagnation so they are worthless. Identifying impatient people is done by looking for those obsessed with efficiency. I would likely start by eliminating anyone whos account has keystone master, unless it was earned in 2018. It sounds counterintuitive but anyone who earned keystone master before 2018 is likely an efficiency monger and therefore its an autoban from the guild. Id also look at things like if you earned AOTC relatively early in a raid tier, especially multiple times, thats a bad sign as well.

I for one will gladly take my over qualifications for your potential new guild over being forced to play with slow learning people who don't care one way or the other

[orderschvank]

I will be creating a guild with for those who have awkward work hours. with raid starting at 5pm EST.

It will be a community guild that seeks to clear content at a decent pace. I wont be demanding people have played on private servers before or even in vanilla before.

I will be completely accepting of casuals, PvPers and PvEers because I want the guild to be serve many purposes. There will be plenty of ranks to show who is interested in what.

But even though I will be accepting pretty much anyone willing to join, having a good and polite attitude towards those around you is a must, guild reputation is a big deal in vanilla/classic so i will take any poor behavior very seriously.

[Kokolums]

Only bads allowed. Gottcha

Wow is easy. Someone with multiple early AOTCs or KM achieves in legion is likely coming into vanilla with the goal of guild hopping to reach endgame with max efficiency. Because of this, these things actually become filters to exclude guild hoppers.

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This is the Classic WoW forum, not the live one.

In this case, id look at the live account of the vanilla applicant.

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I for one will gladly take my over qualifications for your potential new guild over being forced to play with slow learning people who don't care one way or the other

Well you are doing it wrong. You will fill your guild with achievement mongers and maybe do well for a raid tier but the moment you hit a snag 3 key people will guild hop and youll find yourself dropping back 1 tier to rebuild. Meanwhile my guild is clean of giild hoppers and blowing right past yours.

[Projectmars]

Wow is easy. Someone with multiple early AOTCs or KM achieves in legion is likely coming into vanilla with the goal of guild hopping to reach endgame with max efficiency. Because of this, these things actually become filters to exclude guild hoppers.


In this case, id look at the live account of the vanilla applicant.

So a non-raiding guild with an strict application process. gotcha.

[Kokolums]

Trust me. Ive played since vanilla. Ive built several guilds in both pve and pvp. Ive been guild leader and all that. Trust me when i say ive been thru it all and seen how it works. Trust me when i say you need to exclude achievement mongers.

[Phuongvi]

I'm gonna wait 3 months and wait until the garbages are going to go back on their private servers because Blizzard change the colors of the trees and because of that it's not pure Vanilla

[Wellzy]

Starting with buddies. Prob stay guildless with them until we come to a consensus on who to join.

Semi-core guild with good quality people where comradery > ePeen.

[Nemah]

I believe I'll create my own this time around. I told myself after Wrath that I wasn't going to lead another guild again, but I feel like this is a little different.

Since Vanilla will never "expand" there is no rush I don't think. I'm looking forward to revisiting (Vanilla) but I plan on taking my time with it. Just need to find 39 other people that feel the same way, heh.

[Jyggalag]

Wow is easy. Someone with multiple early AOTCs or KM achieves in legion is likely coming into vanilla with the goal of guild hopping to reach endgame with max efficiency. Because of this, these things actually become filters to exclude guild hoppers.

AotC is achievable my the majority of mythic raiders within the 1st 1-2 weeks of release of a new tier. Those players could have been in a stable guild for years. That's a terrible indication of someone who might be a guild hopper. You're using a generalization to set a prejudice to ultimately exclude established raiders that will achieve something like this with ease just by logging in on release. Nothing to suggest these players are interested in efficiency or guild hopping. It only suggests that they are better than the average player who takes a long time to achieve AotC who might have invested the same hours inside a raid instance (my definition of "bads").

[Nomads]

What kind of guild will you be looking for and how will you find it?

Objectively what matters most are the raid times. Do they fit your schedule?

Next, how is loot handled? Loot council, free rolls, DKP, or a combo?

After that, what's the guild's reputation? Are they known assholes? If they are and that's a problem, don't join.

Finally, does their skill level and competence achieve what you are looking for in teammates?

I will likely be making my own guild this time around. I've been class leaders and raid leader, but never a guild leader. I think I'd be fairly good at it.

[joranjopie]

Wow is easy. Someone with multiple early AOTCs or KM achieves in legion is likely coming into vanilla with the goal of guild hopping to reach endgame with max efficiency. Because of this, these things actually become filters to exclude guild hoppers.

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In this case, id look at the live account of the vanilla applicant.

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Well you are doing it wrong. You will fill your guild with achievement mongers and maybe do well for a raid tier but the moment you hit a snag 3 key people will guild hop and youll find yourself dropping back 1 tier to rebuild. Meanwhile my guild is clean of giild hoppers and blowing right past yours.

I'm sure there are better ways to vet out guild hoppers than basing it on an achievement like keystone master, with 2018 as a cut off point for some reason. (even though the first time +15 was max ilevel and there for pretty reasonable to do was when Nighthold released on January 17 https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20752622477) Just looking at a persons guild history would surely be better. I've been playing with a core group of at least 10 people since blackrock foundry and pretty much all of them got keystone master January 17 or before.

[Dudas]

Find a hardcore raiding guild that doesn't want to explore bullshit that we've seen on the last 14 years but does nothing but focuses on raid and pretty much finish everything that is raid pve related. I want to be done with it as fast as possible so I can never play classic in my life and come here to make a new thread to all these purists showing them my t3 and pissing on their lvl 37 graves while also linking my "plebian retail M raider main account"

[Bethanie]

I will be looking for a Sunday afternoon guild for levelling, dungeons and eventually raiding.

I can't see any point in rushing classic, end game is always going to be the same, so you may as well take your time, socialise with guild mates and enjoy the journey.

[Aggrophobic]

Id build my own. The correct way to build a raiding guild is to eliminate impatient people. Impatient people are very prone to gquit at the first sign of stagnation so they are worthless. Identifying impatient people is done by looking for those obsessed with efficiency. I would likely start by eliminating anyone whos account has keystone master, unless it was earned in 2018. It sounds counterintuitive but anyone who earned keystone master before 2018 is likely an efficiency monger and therefore its an autoban from the guild. Id also look at things like if you earned AOTC relatively early in a raid tier, especially multiple times, thats a bad sign as well.

So you just want bad and unmotivated players? Sounds like a "fun" guild to be in.

[Sting]

So you just want bad and unmotivated players? Sounds like a "fun" guild to be in.

How else is he gonna find people who are willing to boost him tier after tier?

[Nomads]

Find a hardcore raiding guild that doesn't want to explore bullshit that we've seen on the last 14 years but does nothing but focuses on raid and pretty much finish everything that is raid pve related. I want to be done with it as fast as possible so I can never play classic in my life and come here to make a new thread to all these purists showing them my t3 and pissing on their lvl 37 graves while also linking my "plebian retail M raider main account"

Good luck... the FR, NR, and FR blocks are going to hit you like a truck. ������