8.0 Paladin Hopes, Fantasies, Guesses?

[Reith]

Retribution Paladins are going to be awesome in BfA.
Screen it right now and right here.

Incase anyone misses it this time, I am being sarcastic.

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On the point of WOTLK Ret damage and total undisputed PvP dominance:

Lol using PVP set pieces and weapons in wrath? Nooooob. Divine Storm reset was way too godly not to use in PVP. Really. :P

[Scifix]

Give us Hammer of wrath back or we riot

[Morally Grey Storm]

Lol using PVP set pieces and weapons in wrath? Nooooob. Divine Storm reset was way too godly not to use in PVP. Really. :P

The point of the video was to show an avalanche-like, unstoppable and insurmountable burst Retribution posessed, not the unhealable, soul-wrenchingly powerful sustained DS chainproc damage.

[Taeldorian]

What’s that ancient power ability? I remember having Guardian of ancient Kings for holy that replicated all healing so I wonder what this is.

[Zephire]

As ret:
I want more of everything, more MS, more off-healing, more damage, more, more, MORE! Should be a trade off though, if you want to heal you use your holy power for it and by doing so, you gimp your damage. I really liked that. "Is it worth off-healing or should I just nuke?", it was a matter of either surviving for CDS or nuking and ending things quickly. I use to like PvP but when Legion hit, my PvP:ing dropped to close to zero. They had removed everything I enjoyed from the class, the support role. I hope so much that it'll be coming back! I don't want to be a warrior using the light as damage type. I want to be a paladin!

I also wish they could move Holy Power to my healthbar instead of having it over the enemy healthbar, it's just stupid and annoying when it moves around with you switching target. Makes no sense.

And for the love of what's holy, give Righteous Fury back to ret! I loved to offtank with it or using it when the tanks were dead, trying to survive/kite until the boss died.

As tank:
I'm quite fine with the tanking still, nothing I really miss that much except Censure! Man, do I miss the minigame of applying and keeping 5 stacks of Censure on as many targets as possible, that was great! Would also be nice if Shield of the Righteous would be displayed like Holy Power or so, since you use stacks for Seraphim. I'm super unsure about the new system compared to how it was with Holy Power, not sure if it is good or bad. I think it would be nice to combine them. With SotR using HP you always saw how many SotR you could do 'cause HP was displayed.

As holy:
I've no idea, not played Holy since Karazhan in TBC.

Hammer of Wrath, as every spec.
Smaller things - Auras, Seals, Exorcism, Holy Wrath.

Ah, HoW, gief! Exorcism is basically Sword of Justice but I rather have Exorcism, feels more like something a Paladin, wielding the light, would use.

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Honestly they just do that so it is the same length as GCD and so you don't Fat finger the button and spam it twice by accident. It's been done with many other spells.

wouldn't the GCD already fill that function?

[Toore]

Hyperbole much? I never said it wasnt overtuned like a motherfucker, but its overall design was solid for its intended purpose. All it really needed was damage output nerfs, which would have brought its overall dps in line with the rest.

And again, it still works and is a known build that actually had raid and pvp potential, whereas ret in Legion has decent (read: weaker) middle range melee dps in raids, and has almost no viability in PvP with its lack of mobility. Currently, ret is losing some critical talents that are being removed with Artifacts, and there is no real evidence to suggest Blizzard will listen to feedback this time around just like they did in Legion; and until Beta talents and mechanics are actually visible, no one can say that ret is getting any respectable tuning.

FFS, even the mockup they showed at blizzcon showed ret with heavy nerfs to its mobility (45 second freedom), with Wake replacing Holy Wrath at the final tier, and no longer having extended time duration for crusade/AW. All anyone can see with ret so far is heavy nerfs and even worse mobility until a playable build is visible.

The only thing anyone can suggest is possible builds that existed in the past and were somewhat viable. We know wrath worked, and was overtuned, using it as a possible baseline in design wouldn't hurt as a "hope" for redesign's sake.

And more importantly, it would finally kill the damn Holy Power system, its become so damn useless both prot and holy got rid of it. Just kill the damn thing off already.

Actually fromm all 3 specs prot was only one where holy power actually worked and was (most of the time) liked and it got removed for a shitty charge system on shotr instead spec where it was universally unliked (ret) kept it. Why? Couse fuck logic that why!

[Super Kami Dende]

wouldn't the GCD already fill that function?

It depends, many Def/Utility abilities in game are Off-GCD.

[Vanderhuge]

After reading the excitement from Arms going back to Deep Wounds - it's like they read the Ret feedback of "Give us MoP/WoD gameplay again!" and basically just said "Sure thing, Arms Warriors! Have fun!"

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After reading the excitement from Arms going back to Deep Wounds - it's like they read the Ret feedback of "Give us MoP/WoD gameplay again!" and basically just said "Sure thing, Arms Warriors! Have fun!"

Yeah , Arms is looking very interesting with the first bach of changes , unlike ret getting nothing lol. Even assassin rogues are getting their execute back in the for of a talent. Arms is looking very promising to me.

[Vintersol]

Funny, they removed arms cs mastery and we keep that shit mechanic. Ret gets the shit as always.

[Deleted]

Funny, they removed arms cs mastery and we keep that shit mechanic. Ret gets the shit as always.

Its only the natural order of things .

[Simulacrum]

I hope they roll Hpaladin back to MoP almost completely. Only positive thing they've added to the spec in legion is the DPS. That's also the only thing making playing it tolerable since it makes it fun to do mythic+.

Ret is just a dumpsterfire, dunno how anyone can tolerate it right now.

Prot paladin is fine though, even if sotr charges and seraphim is a dumb mechanic.

[PaladinBash]

What’s that ancient power ability? I remember having Guardian of ancient Kings for holy that replicated all healing so I wonder what this is.

It's almost certainly a dead ability that was left in somehow by accident somewhere, just as how Prot still has Crusader Strike in the datamined shit. I remember when we had that stacking angel damage shit as Ret so this is probably a leftover spell effect from that ability. I doubt it'll come back.

I do have to fucking laugh at Arms getting their mastery changed so it's not like ours anymore. I mean really. That's one of the funniest changes so far and it's only just beginning. Maybe they will change ours as well? I doubt it. They may just want to be clever and just make our 'new' mastery an extension of what it is now so that it's more functional like the Arms mastery. Maybe that would be better? That they are changing masteries makes me scared because I am certain they will not only keep Holy Power but that they will make a worse mastery for Ret. I really hated it at first but over the expansion I got used to it when they added shit to make it bearable like spreading the shit over AOE. Hell the debuff is pretty much always up in gear we have now and you just rain procs down and it really doesn't feel so bad anymore. What would really fuck me up is going from that playable shit to having no haste, no mastery, no judge unworthy, no Crusade+DP combo and starting all over and having to remember just how shit our mastery is again.

I'm torn between being scared they keep our mastery what it is or that they'll make something worse. That's how I feel every expansion though about Ret. I'm just playing the same old game of guessing what bearable shit they are going to take away this time and what new bullshit are they going to jam in. My money's on people bitching that Cavalier is shit so Blizzard will solve the problem by just removing it entirely. It's what they did with Turalyon's Might.

[Aeula]

So they decided to nerf our mobility even more by adding 15 seconds to Divine Steed’s cooldown.

Why?

Also that cooldown increase on blade of justice.

I’d change to another class in a heartbeat if not for my Paladin having all my reps and toys.

Rets are going to be so slow we should have a limp and crutches as part of our class fantasy.

[Reachie10]

Rets are going to be so slow we should have a limp and crutches as part of our class fantasy.

I laughed to hard at this, well played!

[Lethora]

Actually fromm all 3 specs prot was only one where holy power actually worked and was (most of the time) liked and it got removed for a shitty charge system on shotr instead spec where it was universally unliked (ret) kept it. Why? Couse fuck logic that why!

Agreed. I liked holy power as prot, it was much better than current charge crap.

[Reachie10]

I don't really understand why they had to "prune" a bunch of really good abilities, only to "give them back", seems like they can't be creative anymore with classes, and are just pruning and then "Hey we will give you x and y back"

[Morally Grey Storm]

Aye.
This retribution passive can go diaf.
Equalolity doesn’t work in pvp either, it should’ve been scrapped altogether during legion beta, yet here we are. The best course with it is to remove it. Remove like kebab that it is.
HoW is gone, alas. They don’t want ret to have any ranged abilities, and they will stick to that.

[Aruzan]

Seems like only warlocks got new animations in 8.0.1 (you can see it in the model viewer for some models "Loc-xxx"), looks like they forgot that Holy never got animation updates.