really, why do you want changes to classic?

[Soon-TM]

I lean to the purist side, although I would have no issue with things like improved graphics, (optional) new models and animations, guild banks, and dynamic spawning. But anything more than that, and it's bb "Classic", nice try to lure me into playing Warl... I mean B4A.

[Flurryfang]

i can give you that both sides have their opinions. what i will not say is the people that made classic happen should be forced to have changes when what they fought for is both easier to make and more in line with alot of whats been said by the devs themself.

So the game should be made for the 600 people, who were fighting? That is quite a slim crowd and i don't think anybody is gonna be happy for long if the 600 people were the only one catered to. Nobody is being forced to anything and just because somebody fought to get a game, does not mean they should get total power over that game. Blizzard said this is gonna be community based, so the community for the Classic server should give their opinion, not just the few people who are total fanatics about Vanilla.

In the end, this is just people giving their opinion and trying to affect what Blizzard does. Blizzard are in no way forced to make a Classic, that is 100% Vanilla. If they find out, that making Classic 100% Vanilla is not gonna be profitable or popular, ofcourse they will make changes and one has to understand that. Deep inside, i wish for Blizzard to go the 100% Vanilla road, because it will finally show if the idea concept works or not, but i think it is unfair that people would want to force Blizzard to make Classic 100% Vanilla even if Blizz have found it will not give any money

(600 is just a random number, but it is proberly about that number of people who have been "fighting" for classic).

[hulkgor]

(600 is just a random number, but it is proberly about that number of people who have been "fighting" for classic).

You actually believe that around "600" players have been fighting for the creation of an official vanilla server?

Wow.

*Take mental note to not browse MMO-C on the weekend due to extreme absurdness*

[Super Kami Dende]

trolling?
real concern with the game?

and will you play without the changes?

As someone that played Vanilla, most of the QoL changes I'm fine with are because of remembering how frustrating certain things were. Things that didn't add to immersion or gameplay but were just bad design choices that after a few years were changed after enough feedback.

People that argue they want nothing changed are likely people that never played Vanilla or that just don't remember the annoyance of certain bad design choices.

[shimerra]

As someone that played Vanilla, most of the QoL changes I'm fine with are because of remembering how frustrating certain things were. Things that didn't add to immersion or gameplay but were just bad design choices that after a few years were changed after enough feedback.

People that argue they want nothing changed are likely people that never played Vanilla or that just don't remember the annoyance of certain bad design choices.

Right? Honestly don't get why someone would shit an ever living brick if they say made it so mounts didn't take up inventory space or changes of that nature. The usual reasoning is some whiny slippery slope fallacy.

Is the game totally ruined if warlocks still have to farm soul shards but don't have to have zero bag space because they're stored somewhere else? Don't think so.

[Chakah]

blizzard has literally used the words classic and vanilla interchangeably, even right when they announced it.

[Citation Needed]

I've sure read lots of forum posts and youtube videos mixing up the terms, but I can't recall a single instance of Blizzard doing this, and I'm pretty sure I've seen/read everything official they have said about WoW: Classic since Blizzcon.

You are just reading what you want into what they have actually said. Unless you can point to an example?

[Flurryfang]

You actually believe that around "600" players have been fighting for the creation of an official vanilla server?

Wow.

*Take mental note to not browse MMO-C on the weekend due to extreme absurdness*

To be honest, yeah. I think that the number is around that of people, who believe themselfs that they have been active in a battle to keep the idea of Classic/Vanilla servers going By just looking at the Official forums on both EU and US, you can already count 50-100 people

[AceofH]

[Citation Needed]

I've sure read lots of forum posts and youtube videos mixing up the terms, but I can't recall a single instance of Blizzard doing this, and I'm pretty sure I've seen/read everything official they have said about WoW: Classic since Blizzcon.

You are just reading what you want into what they have actually said. Unless you can point to an example?

How about during the announcement at blizzcon when they made the vanilla joke and then right after they show wow classic?

[Chakah]

How about during the announcement at blizzcon when they made the vanilla joke and then right after they show wow classic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory - Its a literary device, not a description.

Try again if you like.

[Xecks]

im willing to bet there are quite a few more than 600 people that fought for it.

[Thimagryn]

How about during the announcement at blizzcon when they made the vanilla joke and then right after they show wow classic?

You'll find they never actually say they're keeping it pure with no changes, and the closest you get to equating it is them talking about brining back the Vanilla Experience. That never implied a 1:1 remake, and if they did it would have been easy enough to outright say its 1:1 Vanilla in the prrss release.

[AceofH]

You'll find they never actually say they're keeping it pure with no changes, and the closest you get to equating it is them talking about brining back the Vanilla Experience. That never implied a 1:1 remake, and if they did it would have been easy enough to outright say its 1:1 Vanilla in the prrss release.

They did say though that it would be as close to vanilla as possible. And that vanilla means vanilla

[ManiaCCC]

They did say though that it would be as close to vanilla as possible. And that vanilla means vanilla

Also they said, there are some design decisions, they want discuss with community in later date. Also they shared document, where people voted for what to keep and what to change in Classic from Vanilla and told us, they are gathering feedback and listening. They also said, they are recreating Vanilla experience (most probably not even using Vanilla client).. So, until something is shown, it can go both ways.

[NomCarver]

This forum is just filled with a million different threads about the same thing.

Because the game is already made, changes have the potential to break the game if too many are added.

[Zulatomten]

Like fixing broken things.

Care to share these broken things?

[Thimagryn]

Care to share these broken things?

Reck bomb comes to mind, unless '1-shotting Kazzak is Vanilla'

then there's this little nugget

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...raiding_guild/

[Zulatomten]

Reck bomb comes to mind, unless '1-shotting Kazzak is Vanilla'

then there's this little nugget

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...raiding_guild/

reck bomb was hotfixed just hours after "exposed" to the public.
And the link. Didnt know about it, and someone claimed a gm said it was essentially intended gameplay(questionable validity of the statement, but hey)

[Xecks]

Reck bomb comes to mind, unless '1-shotting Kazzak is Vanilla'

then there's this little nugget

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...raiding_guild/

it was fixed in vanilla so it was in vanilla.

[Donald Hellscream]

Because I like balance, making specs balanced so that you can actually play what you want to play and not what is the only viable choice in my opinion doesn't make classic any worse, one of the dumbest arguments I've heard against balancing specs is that it is a slippery slope that will lead to LFR being implemented.. Thats a leap of logic that makes Alex Jones seem sane.

I will play it regardless just to try and emulate my original main character, although I am gonna level much faster than I did back then since I know the vast majority of the quests and thus I will spend less time running around like a headless chicken.

[Xecks]

Because I like balance, making specs balanced so that you can actually play what you want to play and not what is the only viable choice in my opinion doesn't make classic any worse, one of the dumbest arguments I've heard against balancing specs is that it is a slippery slope that will lead to LFR being implemented.. Thats a leap of logic that makes Alex Jones seem sane.

I will play it regardless just to try and emulate my original main character, although I am gonna level much faster than I did back then since I know the vast majority of the quests and thus I will spend less time running around like a headless chicken.

i have a thread on this but what would be better? better itemization or skill/talent balancing?